Making Orks Competitive- Gather the Council, Prepare to Waaagh!

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**Glitcha**

Yeah after that game I was what when did boy squads become so awesome! Going have to try to do more with them.

His list was crazy good and countered mine really hard. He whipped out Zhadsnark and his biker boyz in one turn. I was pretty sure I was going to lose until the boyz started fighting things and he just started picking up models. Honestly, my trukk boy squads are some serious punch when they get into a fight. Currently in the league I am 4-1. I have one more game this week. Most likely space wolves or Raven guard.

**koooaei**

Glitcha wrote:
Riptide just has his FNP.

Also has 5++. Anywayz, an epic game. This nob should get promoted to a propa warboss!

**PipeAlley**

The close games are always the best! Never underestimate a Nob with a PK, never overestimate them either

**Matthew**

Guys, the best way to counter Deathwing Knights with TH/SS?

**Glitcha**

Matthew wrote:
Guys, the best way to counter Deathwing Knights with TH/SS?

Shot them. They are basic terminators. If they are all TH/SS then assaulting them could be a good option since you would strike first. Last I checked the Deathwing Knights could not take TH. They have power mauls and once per game they can use some ability to make themselves str 10. I believe this was before the new codex. If the new one is now they are just TH/SS.

**jackl1324**

They don't get thunderhammers, just an ap3 maul in essence, and can do individual smite attacks now which basically limits them to one attack that phase but at str 10, possibly ap1? at least ap2

**PipeAlley**

jackl1324 wrote:
They don't get thunderhammers, just an ap3 maul in essence, and can do individual smite attacks now which basically limits them to one attack that phase but at str 10, possibly ap1? at least ap2

In that case, Fearless Sluggas or Grots will tie them up.

**Solar Shock**

indeed, shoot them or tie them up. Fearless would be the icing on the cake.

**The Imperial Answer**

As a question how much of a threat is one of the new Tau Stormsurges to a Green Tide?

**koooaei**

what's this stormsurges

**The Imperial Answer**

koooaei wrote:
what's this stormsurges

**Frozocrone**

Just push it over, it's as helpless as a turtle on its back

**koooaei**

And it can barely see anything. I mean look at it's...eye?

**Frozocrone**

Oh no, don't worry, it's an open topped Gargantuan Creature so the pilot can stick his head out and survey the battlefield because narrative reasons

**koooaei**

In all seriousness, it's no worse for us than facing a couple broadsides teams and a riptide or two. Except, you can't kill it. And it's cheaper. Yep, it's gona probably screw greentides up but what doesn't nowadays. Demolisher formations, scat bikes, apoc eldar psy blasts, wivern squadrons.
You generally alpha-strike it or hope that your opponent doesn't bring it in the first place cause in case of mass wiverns or demolisher squadrons, they're not too great against the meta. In this case of a tau superwalker...you clearly can't alpha-strike this armless thing. Your best bet would be to tarpit it with fast stuff hoping for bad stomp rolls and than catching it up and tarpit even more with your green tide having gotten the rest of tau army envolved in a glorious multi-assault.

**Glitcha**

I think a Stompa would be a good option to fight it or Zhadsnark with bikes.

**blaktoof**

It's T6 8W 3+ with fnp, gets access to support systems. Has a lot of shooting...and can anchor itself in place to shoot twice the following turn. That said on average on average 42 powerklaw attacks milk it in one turn, basic irks can wound it on 6s, and all basic ork shooting can hurt it unlike WKs and IKs

**Glitcha**

Klaw stompa 15 str D ap2 attacks on the charge powerfields and Mega force field.

**koooaei**

Oh, i thought it's the one with t9, 2+, 10 wounds and an apoc barrage.

**Frozocrone**

The Ta'unar basically throws dirt in my Hierophants face.

**The Imperial Answer**

If it's the Tau'anar I'd probably go with Outflanking something.

Have no idea what but it's an option.

**tag8833**

How do you beat Space Marine Battle Company with Orks?

I normally run Mech Orks with Battle Wagons and Gun Wagons with a couple squads of boyz, and the rest Tankbustas + max solo deff Koptas for msu scoring.

Other ideas I can run are up to 10 KMKs, Green Tide, a MANZ missile, or a Kustom Battle Fortress.

This is the list I was considering.

Spoiler:

**Waaghboss Grobnub**

PipeAlley wrote:

Tide is hurting but still Fearless due to 20 point upgrade!! Shoot and assault Eldrad's squad, kill all Wraith Guard, he uses Gate of Infinity to get away!! I kill 3 more drop pods in assault and get 15 wounds against me due to explosions. Normal Ork Life.

What 20point upgrade makes them Fearless? Am i missing something?

**XC18**

Da Big Bosspole, one of Orkimedes' gubbins (relic)from the Ghazskull supplement .20pts. It grants fearless

**Billagio**

XC18 wrote:
Da Big Bosspole, one of Orkimedes' gubbins (relic)from the Ghazskull supplement .20pts. It grants fearless

You cant mix relics between the Supp and the codex right? So youll need to take a CAD from the regular codex to get things like DLS

**Frozocrone**

Yeah, most Greentide players take the formation (couple of Nobz with PK so you can kill tougher stuff), GreenTide Warboss with Big Bosspole for Fearless + CAD w/ Painboy/Mad Dok (if you don't take Big Boss Pole) and Warboss w/ Da Lucky Stikk

**Billagio**

Which rules for Zhardsnark? The ones from IA?

**The Imperial Answer**

Billagio wrote:
Which rules for Zhardsnark? The ones from IA?

From the Dreadmob update here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Ork_Dread_Mob_Army_List_Update.pdf

Also I've heard Forge World is going to be posting another update for the Dreadmob in the coming weeks.

I'm not sure if its true or not however.

**Billagio**

The Imperial Answer wrote:
Billagio wrote:
Which rules for Zhardsnark? The ones from IA?

From the Dreadmob update here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Ork_Dread_Mob_Army_List_Update.pdf

Also I've heard Forge World is going to be posting another update for the Dreadmob in the coming weeks.

I'm not sure if its true or not however.

Thanks! This is from the same IA book that had the kustom stompa rules right? were those updated?

**Frozocrone**

Same IA book as Kustom Stompa, don't believe they were updated though. IA11 with Eldar is the hype at the minute.