The 40K Adeptus Custodes News and Rumors Thread

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**cuda1179**

WTF were the designers thinking? Did they use a base template from marine terminators and forget to scale it up 10%?

Oh well. I thought my third party terminators were slightly too small. Turns out they are slightly too big.

I was going to buy a box, but not now. My HQ will be a converted FW terminator (or non-converted if FW releases decent rules).

**Geifer**

Thanks for the picture, but I'm not seeing it. Looks like a combination of pose and banana hat to me.

**Asmodai**

Any comparisons with the FW Aquilon Terminators?

**cuda1179**

The guardian is using the most "spread leg" set of legs in the kit, so that can't account for much. The eyes of the guardian are higher than the terminator's head.

If anything the proportions should be reversed.

Reminds me of the old school 25mm based marine terminators standing next to modern power armor.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Smol Terminators, presumably because Wee Man Syndrome?

**cuda1179**

GW states that their rules are model driven. I guess we now know why custodes terminators have such anaemic rules and why they only have a 5++ save, the model doesn't support anything more.

On the plus side it leaves me with hope that FW terminators will have stats we expect custodes terminators to have. Namely a natural 4++ and likely a movement value of 5.

If the 40k rules for their weapons are about what is expected I'd think 95 points per model would be about right.

**stahly**

Well I don't think there is such a height difference between regular Custodes armour and Custodes Terminator armour like with Space Marines. Remember, power armoured Marines were always on the small size.

On the other hand, has nobody noticed yet that the new HQ character looks like 10% upscaled in comparison to other Custodes models? Especially his head and feet are much larger. Wish they would put more care into keeping the scales consistent...

**Galas**

cuda1179 wrote:
So, the first comparison pics are in of the new Terminator models. They are actually smaller than the Guardians. This makes me rather sad.

Can you show it, please?

EDIT: Ok nevermind. I think they are actually the same height, is just the pose and the banana hat has Geifer has said. But I'll wait until I have them in my hands. All the pics of Plague Marines on the internet had them being ENORMOUS, and then once I had then in my hands they where actually the same size as DV chosen.

**Mymearan**

They aren't smaller, don't be silly guys. They are all made from the same base 3D model, how in the world would they end up smaller? They are the same size. It's harder to tell in the photo because they have different poses and the Terminator is missing half his bits, including his huge pauldrons. What's perhaps a bit unexpected is that the Terminators aren't bigger than their brethren, which is traditionally the case.

**LunarSol**

Mymearan wrote:
They aren't smaller, don't be silly guys. They are all made from the same base 3D model, how in the world would they end up smaller? They are the same size. It's harder to tell in the photo because they have different poses and the Terminator is missing half his bits, including his huge pauldrons. What's perhaps a bit unexpected is that the Terminators aren't bigger than their brethren, which is traditionally the case.

Height slider. If you set the the models to print to the same height but one of them has something over his head that the other does not (in this case, the terminator shell) then you end up with a slightly smaller character. You sometimes see this happen with big hats, but more commonly happens in reverse, where kneeling models would be absolutely giagantic if they stood up straight.

**Mr Morden**

Never been that bothered about differences in size - humans vary in size quite a bit - I still use models from Rogue Trader alongside brand new ones. Same with my Escher gangers

**Dulahan**

I believe I hard Custodes vary in height from 8 to 10 feet tall too. So, yeah...

**nordsturmking**

changemod wrote:
Geifer wrote:
cuda1179 wrote:
So, the first comparison pics are in of the new Terminator models. They are actually smaller than the Guardians. This makes me rather sad.

Got a link? I want to be sad, too!

The termi is missing his pauldrons in this picture.

**Galas**

This guy has already a unboxing+Review of the bikes:

Spoiler:

**nordsturmking**

from Bolterandchainsword forum:

a post made by LaLongCarabine

Well I got my hands on a scan of the points values for the codex. Someone care to remind me on rules on posting pics of copyrighted material prior to release?

Until then here we go.

Allarus 3-10, 70pts
Guard 3-10, 40pts
Wardens 3-10, 49pts
Shield Captain - 110 pts
Allarus Shield Captain - 130
Dawneagle Shield Captain - 150
Venerable Dread - 130
Venerable Raider - 283
Vertus Praetors 3-10, 80
Vexilus Praetor - 80
Allarus Vexilus Praetor - 100

Balistus grenade launcher - free
Castellan axe - 14
Combi bolter - 2
Guardian spear - 12
hunter killer - 6
hurricane bolter - 10
Kheres assault cannon - 25
Multi melta - 27
Salvo Launcher - 25
Sentinel Blade - 9
storm bolter - 2
Twin H. bolter - 17
Twin lascannon 50

DCCW - 40
Interceptor lance - free
Misericordia - 4

Storm shield (character) - 15
Storm shield (other models ) -10
Vexilla defensor - 20
vexilla Imperius - 50
vexilla magnifica - 30

Confirms minimum squadsize of 3 for bikes no room for error.
For some reason the Dreadnought went up by 28pts
Land raider is now 36pts more expensive. (go figure that one.)
And Storm shields are now 5pts heavier.

I guess they decided they'd sold enough land raiders and dreads....

**Galas**

Cool, so Vexillas have different point costs, thats very nice. What I don't understand its how the 5++ one for Imperium is the cheaper...

**Gryphonne**

Wow, the LR is completely pointless at that price. It didn't even keep its invulnerable save.

**Mantle**

Isn't the 5++ the imperius and the defensor is the -1 to hit?

**Audustum**

Mantle wrote:
Isn't the 5++ the imperius and the defensor is the -1 to hit?

Magnifica is the -1 to Hit. That's all I remember though.

**Ordana**

Galas wrote:
Cool, so Vexillas have different point costs, thats very nice. What I don't understand its how the 5++ one for Imperium is the cheaper...

I don't get it either but remember its only for units wholly within 9". So that limits it a lot.

Imperius is +1 A
Defensor is 5++
Magnifica is -1 to hit

**Galas**

Ordana wrote:
Galas wrote:
Cool, so Vexillas have different point costs, thats very nice. What I don't understand its how the 5++ one for Imperium is the cheaper...

I don't get it either but remember its only for units wholly within 9". So that limits it a lot.

Imperius is +1 A
Defensor is 5++
Magnifica is -1 to hit

Brimstones have shown us how toxic are extremely cheap units with invulnerable saves... for Adeptus forces Magnifica is the obvious choice. Maybe an Allarus Vexilla could take Imperius, because he can deep strike once your units are in meele.

**Mantle**

Ordana wrote:
Galas wrote:
Cool, so Vexillas have different point costs, thats very nice. What I don't understand its how the 5++ one for Imperium is the cheaper...

I don't get it either but remember its only for units wholly within 9". So that limits it a lot.

Imperius is +1 A
Defensor is 5++
Magnifica is -1 to hit

Someone in the rules writing team loved 7th edition combo BS

**Galas**

I still don't believe the Custodes Vexilla with 5++ will be used. Its 100 points. For that you can have 30 more guardsmen. I don't know the maths but I don't think the Vexilla will be favoured.

And the combo with Bullgryns is too many points for a very slow "deathstar" that is still vulnerable to psychic and MW spam.

**str00dles1**

Dreads suck and LR sucks, but we have a 50% chance forgeworld will vastly undercost the tanks and or their own dreads to make them really good (per how forgeworld usually "balances" stuff) so theres hope!

**Wulfey**

Custodes codex is just like Grey Knights codex. You won't see any Custodes in a list that wins more than it loses beyond a supreme command detachment of undercosted HQs. GK Grandmasters in DK armor are viable. Custodes shield captains on bikes are viable. Everything else in the codexes is overpriced elite stuff that moves slowly.

EDIT: wardens with axes are good. They at least melee at a level comparable to their points. And yeah, 100 points for a 5++ versus shooting seems pretty iffy. Why not just have 3 more mortar teams?

**SilverAlien**

Yeah the fact it acts like kff and you need the entire unit inside is gonna keep it from being that impressive.

Looking at the points, brigade+vanguard (or maybe outrider) seems the only logical way to deploy the army.

I think custodes will be cp starved enough they'll end up using the terminators for more deepstriking units. Also being a better way to get more axes on the field, wardens look a bit pricey for that without the advantages of the terminators.

**ironicsilence**

im sure its buried in this thread somewhere but is there a release date on the bikes? Next week perhaps? Strange they arent up for pre order yet

**Audustum**

SilverAlien wrote:
Yeah the fact it acts like kff and you need the entire unit inside is gonna keep it from being that impressive.

Looking at the points, brigade+vanguard (or maybe outrider) seems the only logical way to deploy the army.

I think custodes will be cp starved enough they'll end up using the terminators for more deepstriking units. Also being a better way to get more axes on the field, wardens look a bit pricey for that without the advantages of the terminators.

2 Jetbike Captains and 3 units of spear guards is like 800ish points. That's not awful for a Custodes Battalion.

**Ghaz**

ironicsilence wrote:
im sure its buried in this thread somewhere but is there a release date on the bikes? Next week perhaps? Strange they arent up for pre order yet

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/21/next-weeks-pre-orders-ever-changing-ever-vigilant/

**ironicsilence**

Ghaz wrote:
ironicsilence wrote:
im sure its buried in this thread somewhere but is there a release date on the bikes? Next week perhaps? Strange they arent up for pre order yet

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/21/next-weeks-pre-orders-ever-changing-ever-vigilant/

thank you much