Warmachine/Hordes MKIV coming! Update 11/10/23

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**Overread**

NAVARRO wrote:
Overread wrote:
rather strange because you get production products are bargain bin costs.

Don't you feel like its all about huge quantities of STLs, little care for IPs, sweat shop for 3D art, no production cost, random quality control etc, etc. Almost like totally unregulated.

I dont know but maybe some of those explain the bargain bin costs?
.

Oh that's very much what it is. It had a very fast race to the bottom for the value of the STL as creators pushed to sculpt more and more each month to up the value to get more backers on monthly Patreon systems. Whilst it allowed 3D printing to grow as a market as a phenomenal rate, it also kind of relied on people being trapped at home during lockdowns and having more free time to dedicate to something new. Now that has worn off and other elements there has been somewhat of a slowdown and I've seen prices starting to creep up here and there and numbers of models going down - at least for all barring the big names that arleady have huge supporter bases.

There's other costs too - fast production means a lower quality of product. More voids; more glitches in sculpting; sometimes just the same poses over and over because they are simpler and easier to achieve. Some even repeat the poses month to month so you can spot the pattern of fixed poses.

It's not terrible by any stretch, but the patreon model has its good and bad sides.

Personally I think what we'll see is a gradual increase in value of the STL over time. Basically there's so much cheap stuff out there that many customers can quickly get a huge library of models *most they'll never print* so customers quickly burn out on volume and, in theory, will start getting more picky. Esp when you stepback and realise that most patreon prices are worth it if you just want 1 model from the set and if you only ever actually print one or two then the fact that there's 50 or 100 models doesn't make much difference.

But its all ups and downs and its very different to marketing an actual game and product line. In the end to PP, 3D printing is just another production method. Plus when you add on all the costs of doing real business and making a real living income the prices for a 3D print model really are about the same as those for injection moulded models and cast modes.

**Cyel**

Sunno wrote:
Apparently its all out of Beta now? Didn't really see any sort of announcement

I was hoping the final version of the rulebook pdf will be available for download, once the beta is officially finished. I was looking forward to printing it out, but can't find it anywhere :(

**LunarSol**

LunarSol wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
I mean, its a really good gun with a decent melee attack attached to it, that doesn't need to use a focus point to charge, but can still benefit from a variety of other buffs in the army. At 10pts its a steal.

I'm not sure I agree, but its the only thing in the army I haven't tested out yet so my opinion is just theory. I'll have to bring an Armiger to the shop next time to try it out, though I plan to buy one regardless for display.

Following through, gave it a try and its pretty solid. The main guns really are that good and while I don't think it has the output to take two, the threat protection on it gives it a ton of board control and more of a sniper piece. Most of its strength came from taking out backline support and being a solo that can hold a flag. I don't think I'd ever take 2 and not in every list, but its worth taking.

**chaos0xomega**

Overread wrote:

Personally I think what we'll see is a gradual increase in value of the STL over time. Basically there's so much cheap stuff out there that many customers can quickly get a huge library of models *most they'll never print* so customers quickly burn out on volume and, in theory, will start getting more picky. Esp when you stepback and realise that most patreon prices are worth it if you just want 1 model from the set and if you only ever actually print one or two then the fact that there's 50 or 100 models doesn't make much difference.

This is where I am at, as a buyer, but as a sculptor/seller I'm still seeing the "race to the bottom" in effect and not seeing the burnout hitting other buyers en masse yet. Give it some more time, I suppose.

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LunarSol wrote:
LunarSol wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
I mean, its a really good gun with a decent melee attack attached to it, that doesn't need to use a focus point to charge, but can still benefit from a variety of other buffs in the army. At 10pts its a steal.

I'm not sure I agree, but its the only thing in the army I haven't tested out yet so my opinion is just theory. I'll have to bring an Armiger to the shop next time to try it out, though I plan to buy one regardless for display.

Following through, gave it a try and its pretty solid. The main guns really are that good and while I don't think it has the output to take two, the threat protection on it gives it a ton of board control and more of a sniper piece. Most of its strength came from taking out backline support and being a solo that can hold a flag. I don't think I'd ever take 2 and not in every list, but its worth taking.

Yep!

I would agree with that assessment based on my own playtesting.

**AduroT**

Rules are now available as a free pdf.

https://store.privateerpress.com/-pdf-warmachine-mkiv-rules/

**LunarSol**

There's also new fluff available in the app. Pretty happy with how that thing has shaped up.

**Kid_Kyoto**

News on production, if you want a 'legacy' model buy it now.

https://home.privateerpress.com/2023/06/13/legacy-model-production-ending/

LEGACY MODEL PRODUCTION ENDING
By

Privateer Press
on

June 13, 2023
As we prepare for our upcoming facility move, we will end manufacturing of Legacy WARMACHINE and HORDES models as well as Riot Quest models made in cast metal and resin at the end of this week. After Friday, we will only be fulfilling online store orders with items that remain in stock and will be editing the online store as efficiently as we can to reflect what is available and what is not.

If there is a Legacy item you have been considering purchasing, we encourage you do so by Wednesday, June 14. While we still can’t guarantee it will be in stock, we will do our best to fulfill the order as long as we still have the manufacturing capability for these models.

During this transition, some Monsterpocalypse and Warcaster models may also be out of print for some period of time. We will do our best to restore their availability as soon as possible, but please expect that to take some time as we convert them to our new manufacturing process.

Thank you for your patience and support as we make these changes and set up for the future of Privateer Press model production.

To assist in decision making, here is a list of the models going into the remaining Prime Legacy armies:

Dark Operations
Bloat Thrall

Cephalyx Agitator

Cephalyx Dominator & Hammerfall High Shield Gun Corps

Cephalyx Dominator & Horgenhold Artillery Corps

Cephalyx Dominator & Horgenhold Forge Guard

Cephalyx Dominator & Ogrun Assault Corps

Cephalyx Dominator & Steelhead Cannon Crew

Cephalyx Dominator & Steelhead Halberdiers

Cephalyx Dominator & Steelhead Mortar Crew

Cephalyx Dominator & Steelhead Riflemen

Cephalyx Dominator & Steelhead Volley Gun Crew

Cephalyx Dominator & Tactical Arcanist Corps

Cephalyx Mind Bender & Drudges

Cephalyx Mind Slaver & Drudges

Cephalyx Overlords

Cognifex Cyphon

Doctor Stygius

Exulon Thexus

Machine Wraith

Mortenebra, Numen of Necrogenesis

Pistol Wraith

Subduer

Warden

Wrecker

Exalted
Abidan the Keeper

Agonizer

Aptimus Marketh

Ancestral Guardian

Aradus Scarab

Aradus Sentinel

Aradus Soldier

Archidon

Basilisk Drake

Basilisk Krea

Bronzeback Titan

Cyclops Shaman

Desert Hydra

Despoiler

Extoller Advocate

Extoller Novitiate

Extoller Soulward

Hakaar the Destroyer

Immortal Vessel

Immortals

Lord Arbiter Hexeris

Mammoth

Nihilators

Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor

Paingiver Beast Handlers

Paingiver Bloodrunners

Razor Worm

Rhinodon

Supreme Guardian

The Terrorizer

Titan Gladiator

Titan Sentry

Void Seer Mordikaar

Void Spirit

Zaal, the Ancestral Advocate

Shadows of the Retribution
Aeternae

Arcanist Mechanik

Arcantrik Force Generator

Aspis

Banshee

Chimera

Daemon

Eiryss, Mage Hunter Commander

Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios

Elara, Tyro of the Third Chamber

Garryth, Eye of Vengeance

Harpy

Helios

House Ellowuyr Swordsmen

House Ellowuyr Swordsmen Officer & Standard

House Ellowuyr Warden Executioner

House Ellowuyr Wardens

Hyperion

Mage Hunter Assassin

Mage Hunter Infiltrators

Mage Hunter Strike Force

Mage Hunter Strike Force Commander

Moros

Narn, Mage Hunter of Ios

Nayl

Ravyn, the Eternal Light

Siren

Soulless Escort

Soulless Voidtracer

Spears of Scyrah

Sphinx

Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker

Thyron, Sword of Truth

United Kriels
Braylen Wanderheart, Trollkin Outlaw

Captain Gunnbjorn

Dire Troll Blitzer

Dire Troll Bomber

Dire Troll Mauler

Dozer & Smigg

Fennblade Kithkar

General “Thunderstone” Brug

Grissel Bloodsong, Fell Caller

Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes

Ledfoot & Tredz

Madrak, Great Chieftain

Mountain King

Night Troll

Pummeler Crew

Pyg Bushwhacker Officer & Mortar

Pyg Bushwhackers

Pyg Tank

Pyre Troll

Scattergunner Officer & Standard

Scattergunners

Sea King

Slag Troll

Stone Scribe Elder

Storm Troll

Swamp Troll

Thumper Crew

Troll Axer

Troll Bouncer

Troll Impaler

Troll Whelps

Trollkin Barrage Team

Trollkin Fennblade Officer & Drummer

Trollkin Fennblades

Trollkin Gunnery Sergeant

Trollkin Highwaymen

Trollkin Scouts

Trollkin Runebearer

Trollkin Sluggers

War Wagon

Dire Troll Bomber

Dire Troll Mauler

Other
All remaining Colossals and Gargantuans

**aku-chan**

Dang it!
Just spent an hour going through their store to see if there were any minis I wanted before they disappear forever, only to discover they don't do Paypal.

Guess that's what I get for not picking up this stuff when it was released.

**Voss**

dated June 13.
buy by June 14

real classy.

**Platuan4th**

Ordered a Supreme Guardian when I saw the Facebook announcement yesterday, lucking the rest of the stuff I need to finish an Exalted list is readily available on eBay.

**privateer4hire**

Voss wrote:
dated June 13.
buy by June 14

real classy.

Why aren’t our products more popular?

**Overread**

Not using Paypal is a surprise! Almost everyone uses that!

**NH Gunsmith**

It's impressive how consistently poorly run Privateer Press is nowadays.

I loved Warmachine Mk. I and Mk. II, a real shame to see how hard they have fallen.

**Boss Salvage**

Bought another $157 in Farrow after last week's $157 in Farrow

Entirely for non-PP games

**NAVARRO**

I have been looking at my old collections and I still have my lovely old school metals Troolbloods before the plasresins nonsense and my god they are such sweet minis! A shame to see legacy go away they are such nice minis! We are so far away from those golden metal days.

**StygianBeach**

I ordered 2 Skorne Hydras.

Hopefully everything goes through alright, I have been meaning to get one for the last 5 years.

**Boss Salvage**

StygianBeach wrote:
I ordered 2 Skorne Hydras.

I already own 2 from the great Miniature Market liquidation, but was sooooo close to ordering a third simply because

**legionaires**

There are about 2 dozen skus I need to finish armies and I don't know if I have it in me.

**LunarSol**

I'm making 75 point lists out of my favorite legacy armies for pick up and play. Need to pick up a few things to make that happen but not going crazy here.

**stonehorse**

Still amazed that the Unlimited decks don't contain any of the Warcasters/Warlocks from the MKIII battle boxes. Would have thought that due to the popularity of those, they would have made them in the Unlimited decks.

Oh well, guess I'll just wait another year or so before I can try MKIV.

**LunarSol**

stonehorse wrote:
Still amazed that the Unlimited decks don't contain any of the Warcasters/Warlocks from the MKIII battle boxes. Would have thought that due to the popularity of those, they would have made them in the Unlimited decks.

Oh well, guess I'll just wait another year or so before I can try MKIV.

They haven't done any of the Unlimited casters outside of a few that were done as part of making all the Battle Engines available.

**Grot 6**

What's the market look like for older jacks and figures?

I have loads of this stuff that can go to a good home.

Should I put it up in the sales and trades section?

**NH Gunsmith**

Grot 6 wrote:
What's the market look like for older jacks and figures?

I have loads of this stuff that can go to a good home.

Should I put it up in the sales and trades section?

There isn't much of one at this point, the best place to sell Warmachine and Hordes minis is the Facebook buy and sell group... but people are pretty much throwing their minis away on there, with $1,000+ MSRP commission painted armies selling for $100-200.

The Mystery Boxes flooded the market with cheap product, and the mass exodus of a large portion of the player base has removed pretty much all value for PP minis. Both my old Warmachine opponent and I are just trying to repurpose parts of our collections for other games like Dragon/Xenos Rampant and even Blood Bowl at this point, as neither of us have really been able to shift minis for the game outside of them being darn near free.

**Overread**

It also depends where you are - the USA/Canada market is flooded but the UK market really isn't all that flooded

**stonehorse**

LunarSol wrote:
stonehorse wrote:
Still amazed that the Unlimited decks don't contain any of the Warcasters/Warlocks from the MKIII battle boxes. Would have thought that due to the popularity of those, they would have made them in the Unlimited decks.

Oh well, guess I'll just wait another year or so before I can try MKIV.

They haven't done any of the Unlimited casters outside of a few that were done as part of making all the Battle Engines available.

I understand that it is a matter of time till they are all available. just seeing as those were used as an entry point into the game for a lot of people, it would have made sense to fast track their MKIV rules. As it is currently, I have a large collection that is for the most part unplayable, can't do a Skorne, Trollblood, Circle, Khador, or Cygnar Battlegroup.

**LunarSol**

Yeah, I do understand but the unlimited stuff has really never been promised as a priority and the legacy schedule IS the one schedule they've sort of managed to keep. Not saying I'm super thrilled with MK4's shambling release.

**Cataphract**

Khymera Faction SSSSpotted

https://imgur.com/a/uj4ShCa

**LunarSol**

Very cool. There's some neat stuff at GenCon from what I've seen. Hopefully they can get this in player hands soon.

**Shakalooloo**

So their beasts are hydra tatzylwurms?

**grahamdbailey**

Those are certainly.... something.
They'd work in Warcaster, or MonPoc, but they look very weird for Warmahordes.