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Decrepit Dakkanaut





Halifax

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We all read this thread. That means we're now all nazis by association!

Thus spake Twitter. Thus so it was!

Enough with that silliness. Dude acted stupidly (not checking his associations) and found out. Hopefully he's learned from the experience, and hopefully other people have learned from it as well.

   
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The Land of the Rising Sun

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
Years ago I used to work with a card carrying fascist party member. The wonders of freedom of belief, and association in old Europe! I greeted him when his shift started, talked shop, and the only time he brought up the issue of his political positions was to request my vote for his part, which I politely refused. But I guess I'm a fascist now, run for the hills!


Do you think he would have been as cordial or as professional with you if you were of a different ethnic/racial/cultural/religious/etc demographic, perhaps? And what do you think the outcome for those members of said targeted demographics might be like if the charming fascist and those like him, as well as their political beliefs, were legitimized and given platform because you have interpreted "freedom of belief" to mean that all beliefs should be given equal legitimacy and equal opportunity to be voiced?

Its really easy to make friends with a leopard when you're a tiger, but maybe not so much when you're a deer.


Funny enough I'm very sure that he would have been as that hotel had people of different origins, and as far as I know he was polite, and civil with all of them while in the workplace. And I do believe that all beliefs should be given equal tolerance as long as said belief doesn't overstep the law. If you feel that giving equal chances to legal political platforms, or ideologies means that I endorse of support them maybe you have a big issue with the way a free society should work.

M.

Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.

Raxmei wrote:24ps is the range. 24". If that were the points cost then lasguns and plasma guns would cost the same amount and flamers would have a cost of "Souffle".

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Halifax

@Miguelsan

Okay, so what you're saying is that we should be nicer to fascists because they're people just like us?

   
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MN

This is why as a creator, I am very leery of going on the internet away from niche message boards.

Twitter and YouTube and the like are pretty much made to destroy careers and that is about it.

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The Land of the Rising Sun

 Nurglitch wrote:
@Miguelsan

Okay, so what you're saying is that we should be nicer to fascists because they're people just like us?


I said tolerate, learn to tolerate those that you personally don't like else you will find that others won't tolerate you further down the road.

M.

Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.

Raxmei wrote:24ps is the range. 24". If that were the points cost then lasguns and plasma guns would cost the same amount and flamers would have a cost of "Souffle".

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South New Jersey

Not surprised, after seeing a convo in the BPL section of the Battletech discord that was encouraging people to shoot lefty's in the face that wasn't addressed. The BPL crowd has always seemed to lean towards the 4channy, gak-posting side of the internet, which is why I stopped backing his patreon and dropped out of the discord.

It's the old problem with the "nazis in the bar" anecdote. They creep in where they can, set up, and bring in others. If they're not rooted out from the get-go, then trying to get them out when they're entrenched is a painful, if not impossible situation.

From his apology, it seems like some people suggested that Tex talk to Arch, instead of Arch reaching out to Tex or, if Tex is to be believed, any attempt of Tex himself to collaborate. It a shame that people are overreacting. Hopefully things calm down and Tex will take a little more care in the future to his collaborations.

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Halifax

 Miguelsan wrote:
 Nurglitch wrote:
@Miguelsan

Okay, so what you're saying is that we should be nicer to fascists because they're people just like us?


I said tolerate, learn to tolerate those that you personally don't like else you will find that others won't tolerate you further down the road.

M.

Given that fascists would liquidate me and people like me given the chance, I don't feel like I should tolerate them, if only as a matter of existential prudence.

Especially, to bring this back to its subject, when the fantasy being played in involves space fascists against space feudalists.

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The Land of the Rising Sun

Did you read the part "as long as said belief doesn't overstep the law", rhetorical question as I already saw that you did not.

M.

Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.

Raxmei wrote:24ps is the range. 24". If that were the points cost then lasguns and plasma guns would cost the same amount and flamers would have a cost of "Souffle".

Every year Golden Week Tournament at www.nagoyahammer.com 
   
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Halifax

 Miguelsan wrote:
Did you read the part "as long as said belief doesn't overstep the law", rhetorical question as I already saw that you did not.

M.

Oh, well, so long as they just fervently believe people like me should be killed that's okay. It's not like they would do anything about those beliefs.

   
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Earth

is this over Tex talking to Arch? as if it is then grow up people, guilt by association from radical sigmarxist type losers means absolutely nothing and we should ignore them, they call literally everything fascist and nazi and are the same kind people that think Birds were counter revolutionary or crops are socialist.... why are we listening to these idiots.

Tex is a damn good man who has done so much for the community and raised thousands for charity, anyone that goes after such a person through guilt by association shows what kind of person THEY are, do not derail yet another thread with this nonsense.

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Astonished of Heck

Nurglitch wrote:
 Miguelsan wrote:
Did you read the part "as long as said belief doesn't overstep the law", rhetorical question as I already saw that you did not.

M.

Oh, well, so long as they just fervently believe people like me should be killed that's okay. It's not like they would do anything about those beliefs.

I believe killing you would definitely count as "overstepping the law". It's amazing how some people can't appreciate a straight-forward statement, but reject it for self-inserted nuance.

Formosa wrote:Tex is a damn good man who has done so much for the community and raised thousands for charity, anyone that goes after such a person through guilt by association shows what kind of person THEY are, do not derail yet another thread with this nonsense.

Exactly. This is little more than socialist in-fighting, communists attacking fascists, because considering the individual never comes in to play, it is only the groups they associate with that matter to such. I'm so glad they've self-identified and now we can properly ignore them.

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On moon miranda.

I'm really struggling to see anything particularly Battletech related in the last page and a half of conversation, or what value dragging such E-Drama has to this thread in the first place, please confine political outrage over youtube personalities to Twitter, thanks!

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The Land of the Rising Sun

Somewhere over the sea. Or US customs at per the last mail July 22th. At this rate myne will be on time for the 1st SW.

M.

Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.

Raxmei wrote:24ps is the range. 24". If that were the points cost then lasguns and plasma guns would cost the same amount and flamers would have a cost of "Souffle".

Every year Golden Week Tournament at www.nagoyahammer.com 
   
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Yeah was really expecting an update E-mail today...

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My personal theory is that the address update was closed on the 13th. Shipping will 'likely' start on Monday. They gave 2 days for frantic late updates to shipping, and to sort through their last minute changes before getting the assembly lines running.

Once they began last time, I recall getting my Wave 1 stuff quite quickly- though I don't think I ever got a tracking email.

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well, reading through the last Kickstarter updates on the shipping situation, sounds like I'll probably be one of the last to get my pledge since I have a ~1500 USD order and went for single wave shipping. I'm definitely one of the "large orders" in the phase three shipping pool.

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washington state USA

New air support incoming.


They do not actually have a mini for the clanhells horse heavy attack VTOL Garuda, but the IWM Balacs look close enough so i got a pair-

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so amusingly my uncle's asked me to teach him battletech, he's arguably responsable for my getting into the game (having loaned me a copy of the Crescant Hawks inception back in the day) sometime this fall when the weather's gone to gak I'll hgave to teach him, thinking a shadowhawk or griffon'll be a good learning mech

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Washington State

I haven't even touched my Wave One stuff, and I'm about to get all my Wave Two stuff? Ugh. I'm gonna be drowning in Btech product! Oh, woe is me! Woe is me!

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Astonished of Heck

 Tamwulf wrote:
I haven't even touched my Wave One stuff, and I'm about to get all my Wave Two stuff? Ugh. I'm gonna be drowning in Btech product! Oh, woe is me! Woe is me!

Oh poor baby. Might I suggest alleviating the pain by having it go to one who finds it less painful?

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Washington State

 Charistoph wrote:
 Tamwulf wrote:
I haven't even touched my Wave One stuff, and I'm about to get all my Wave Two stuff? Ugh. I'm gonna be drowning in Btech product! Oh, woe is me! Woe is me!

Oh poor baby. Might I suggest alleviating the pain by having it go to one who finds it less painful?


What? Deprive myself and others my first world Battletech problems? How dare you, Sir! How dare you!

Kara Sloan shoots through Time and Design Space for a Negative Play Experience  
   
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Astonished of Heck

 Tamwulf wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:
 Tamwulf wrote:
I haven't even touched my Wave One stuff, and I'm about to get all my Wave Two stuff? Ugh. I'm gonna be drowning in Btech product! Oh, woe is me! Woe is me!

Oh poor baby. Might I suggest alleviating the pain by having it go to one who finds it less painful?

What? Deprive myself and others my first world Battletech problems? How dare you, Sir! How dare you!

I wasn't suggesting that you deprive others of it, in fact I was offering to take on the burden of it. But if you are willing to shoulder the burden, I won't deny you of it.

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Updates on Origins 2021, Final Cycle of Recognition Guide, and More


Updates on Origins 2021, Final Cycle of Recognition Guide, and More
on AUGUST 24, 2021
There’s a mix of BattleTech related news to share with you today, headlined by an update on the Origins convention this year and a rescheduling of the final cycle of Recognition Guide: ilClan. Strap in, and let’s get to it!

Origins 2021
Due to the shortened convention calendar, reduced exhibit hours at Origins, and COVID in general, Catalyst Game Labs will not be attending Origins 2021 as an exhibitor. We will continue to support our demo teams, and look forward to getting back to Origins in 2022.

Recognition Guide: ilClan
As Wave 2 of the Clan Invasion Kickstarter continues shipping, and with the ilClan sourcebook recently released, we have decided to move the start of the fourth and final cycle of Recognition Guide: ilClan. In addition to not crowding out those other major releases, this rescheduling will ensure that our creative team has the time to match the high level of quality of the previous RecGuide installments.

The fourth cycle will now begin with Vol. 19 on Friday, Oct. 15 and continue bi-weekly until concluding with Vol. 24 on Friday, Dec. 24.

Interview with Line Developer Ray Arrastia
Sarna.net, the BattleTech wiki, recently hosted an interview with Line Developer Ray Arrastia. The wide-ranging interview delved into topics such as Ray’s history with the game and recent events in the community, and included a few hints of what’s to come. Check it out!
   
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The latest KS update had production numbers in case anyone is interested:

Spoiler:
Project Update #179 wrote:Reprints Discussion


Hey backers,

Wave Two shipping is of paramount importance to you all, as it should be. However, we've seen many backers asking about various reprints of core items. Since you don't just want your items, but you want to make sure the line is healthy and strong and available for anyone to leap in and grab what they need to start playing.

And we love that passion! As such, just as we've given you full behind-the-scenes data before, we thought we'd provide details on all printing (and reprints) to date of the miniatures of this Kickstarter, along with the core BattleTech boxes.



BEGINNER BOX

We have published 31,500 copies of this game since the start of 2018, and the sixth printing, at 10,000 copies (the highest quantity yet printed, giving us a total of 41,500) is done right now, and we are working to get it on a ship. Normally it would be available by October, but with all of the shipping snafus around the world, it will likely be November before it's available.


A GAME OF ARMORED COMBAT

Once again, from when this was first released in early 2018, we have published 33,500 copies. The fifth reprint, of 10,000 copies (for a total of 43,500), is on a ship and scheduled to arrive into the Savannah port by September 14th. If that stays on track, it means the base game will be available again to stores and our website by early October. Based upon sales projections, we are already looking to start the sixth reprint of this box by the end of the year.


CLAN INVASION BOX

The Wave One printing of this box was 25,000 copies (the largest single printing of any game we have ever done); 17,000 Kickstarter covers and 8,000 standard covers. As part of a Wave One restock (see below), we reprinted 5,000 additional copies: 1,000 Kickstarter covers and 4,000 standard covers. As part of Wave Two we then printed an additional 5,000 copies (all standard covers), giving us 35,000 total. We are reviewing whether we'll need to start a fourth printing soon to keep it well in stock.


BY WAY OF COMPARISON

Just for comparison purposes, to showcase the insanity that has been this magnificent resurgence you have helped create, FanPro US and Catalyst Game Labs, from 2002 to 2017, published and sold four base box sets: stock # 10980 (one printing), 35000 (three printing), 3500A (one printing), and 3500B (two printings). Four boxes in fifteen years sold roughly 40,000 copies combined. As you can see above, in just over two years we've nearly matched that with just one box. And by the end of the year--making it roughly three years since this all began with the release of the Beginner Box and A Game of Armored Combat, we'll have three box sets that each will have surpassed that number.


Meeting the voracious demand for these high-quality box sets keeps us busy, but you can see that the numbers are clear: there's more BattleTech on the shelves now than any time in the last two decades.



WAVE ONE FORCEPACKS

The following numbers were printed of the Wave One ForcePacks:


Clan Command Star: 14,000

Inner Sphere Command Lance: 15,000

Clan Heavy Striker Star: 14,000

Inner Sphere Battle Lance: 15,000

Clan Elemental Star: 6,000

Legendary MechWarrior Pack: 8,000

SALVAGE BOXES

And the Salvage box numbers:


Salvage Box: Clan Invasion: 82,000

Salvage Box: UrbanMech: 22,000

Salvage Box: Legendary: 19,000

WAVE ONE RESTOCKS

Before Wave Two, we did the following Wave One reprintings. This is currently on a ship, arriving early September into the Savannah port.


Clan Elemental Star Pack: 7,500 (13,500 total)

Legendary MechWarriors Pack: 1,000 (9,000 total)

Salvage Box: UrbanMech: 2,000 (24,000 total)

Salvage Box: Legendary: 1,000 (20,000 total)






WAVE TWO FORCEPACKS

The following numbers were printed of the Wave Two ForcePacks (all of this has arrived at QML, of course, as shipping is underway!):


Clan Fire Star: 9,000
Inner Sphere Direct Fire Heavy Lance: 12,000
Clan Support Star: 9,000
Inner Sphere Heavy Lance: 9,000
Clan Heavy Battle Star: 9,000
Inner Sphere Striker Lance: 9,000
Clan Heavy Star: 9,000
Inner Sphere Fire Lance: 9,000
Clan Striker Star: 9,000
Inner Sphere Heavy Battle Lance: 9,000
Clan Ad Hoc Star: 9,000
Inner Sphere Urban Lance: 9,000
Inner Sphere Support Lance: 9,000
ComStar Command Level II: 9,000
ComStar Battle Level II: 9,000

And we ordered more of the following as a restock as part of that printing:


Salvage Box: Clan Invasion: 24,960 (106,960 total)




FORCEPACK REPRINTS

The following are currently scheduled to finish printing by early September, with most of it already finished (they were ordered back in April). Again, trying to take into account the current shipping issues, we are looking at either late November or December to have everything back in restock. Again, to be clear, the numbers directly below are completely beyond the needs of the Kickstarter, to carry us well into 2022.


Clan Command Star: 7,500 (21,500 total)
Inner Sphere Command Lance: 7,500 (22,500 total)
Clan Heavy Striker Star: 7,500 (21,500 total)
Inner Sphere Battle Lance: 7,500 (22,500 total)
Clan Fire Star: 8,500 (20,500 total)
Inner Sphere Direct Fire Heavy Lance: 10,000 (22,000 total)
Clan Support Star: 7,500 (16,500 total)
Inner Sphere Heavy Lance: 7,500 (16,500 total)
Clan Heavy Battle Star: 7,500 (16,500 total)
Inner Sphere Striker Lance: 7,500 (16,500 total)
Clan Heavy Star: 8,500 (17,500 total)
Inner Sphere Fire Lance: 7,500 (16,500 total)
Clan Striker Star: 7,500 (16,500 total)
Inner Sphere Heavy Battle Lance: 7,500 (16,500 total)
Clan Ad Hoc Star: 7,500 (15,600 total)
Inner Sphere Urban Lance: 7,500 (15,600 total)
Inner Sphere Support Lance: 7,500 (15,600 total)
ComStar Command Level II: 10,000 (19,000 total)
ComStar Battle Level II: 8,500 (17,500 total)
Salvage Box: Shilone



As we announced, we secretly produced a thank you miniature:


Salvage Box: Shilone: 20,000
We've gotten a question from some baclers of whether there will "be enough." As you can see, we absolutely have plenty to cover every last backers and then some.



BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BOOKS?!

Obviously the box sets and ForcePacks form the core of the line now, but the core books are still a crucial element. And so after all the miniatures numbers above, thought I would share some book numbers as well (all of these are just within the last two to three years!):


Technical Readout: Success Wars: 7,250 (5 printings)

Technical Readout: Clan Invasion: 5,570 (4 printings)

MapPack: Grasslands: 6,000 (2 printings; a 5,000 3rd printing is done, ready to get on a ship)

BattleMech Manual: 8,500 (4 printings)

Alpha Strike: Commander's Edition: 6,250 (3 printings; a 3,000 4th printing is about to start)

MechWarrior: Destiny: 4,750 (2 printings; a 3,500 3rd printing is currently on a ship)

Total Warfare (Vintage/Mercenary Cover): 8,000 (a 3,000 5th printing is currently on a ship)

TechManual (Vintage Cover): 3,570 (3 printings; a 2,000 4th printing is about to start)

Tactical Operations: Advanced Rules (Vintage Cover): 4,000 (2 printings)

Tactical Operations: Advanced Units & Equipment (Vintage Cover): 4,000 (2 printings)

Strategic Operations (Vintage Cover): 2,000 (1 printing; a 2,500 2nd printing is about to start)

Campaign Operations (Vintage Cover): 2,000 (1 printing; a 2,500 2nd printing is about to start)

As for those wondering, yes, we are working right now on an Interstellar Operations: Alternate Eras and Interstellar Operations: BattleForce Vintage Cover reprint split and hope to send them to print soon.


WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

What does all of that mean for the health of BattleTech and its availability to the market?


Well, it means that despite the insane rocket ship BattleTech has become the last two-and-half-years we have been on top of reprints and restocks. And it simply is the nature of the current world situation of delays in production and shipping that have pushed releases back. But that by the end of the year we will be stocked as we have never been stocked in the history of BattleTech in over 35 years. It means that by the time the last of the ForcePacks above hit our warehouse and start rolling out to gaming tables around the world, we will have published nearly 2.8 MILLION plastic miniatures in three years!


Thanks to all of you for helping us achieve this incredible moment for this game and universe we all love!
   
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Halifax

Kind of interesting to see how much is going to be out there.

   
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South New Jersey

I got my Wave 2 package! Fire Star for my Jade Falcons, and the two Level IIs to start my Comstart Level III.

The Shilone is pretty nice, though a little bent but nothing a quick dip in hot water won't fix.

Initiative deck looks nice and comes with a little rulebook on how to use it.

Also picked up the desert mapsheet pack to expand my collection.

   
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Can you show us some of the desert stuff?

Also how does the Initiative Deck work?

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Some of the desert maps:





The double feature airstrip is pretty nice.

As for the initiative deck, it's a 67 card deck with standard poker numbers (ace through king), with the suits replaced by the Successor Lords houses, the face cards replaced with Mechwarrior, Duke, and Successor Lord cards, and two random Star League cards instead of Jokers. There's a suit ranking that's not surprising = Davion>Kurita>Steiner>Marik>Liao.

Each card has its own little special effect written on it that can differ between factions.





The method for using them is a little wonky, using a control deck to randomly pick cards that match the number already issued out to players or groups of miniatures.

   
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West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA

I'm just hoping to get my chance at some of the new stuff after the KS backers get theirs, as I only got into collecting Battletech AFTER the kickstarter (never even knew it was going on). I managed to buy the AGoAC box and one each of the IS mechs seperately from Fortress Miniatures, but that was all before April. Nothing since, if I want the plastics (there is always the option of 3D printed mechs, of which I have a couple).

I have random mechs from over the decades and played the video games, but never really took the plunge on the minis game until I saw the new Starter Sets in real life and the awesome new minis and slapped myself for not getting into the KS, at least at a low level.

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The Land of the Rising Sun

Hopefully you'll have the chance of picking up every important from the KS. Who cares if the faction dice never come to be if we can have unlimited access to Marauders!

M.

Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.

Raxmei wrote:24ps is the range. 24". If that were the points cost then lasguns and plasma guns would cost the same amount and flamers would have a cost of "Souffle".

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