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 Talizvar wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Except they're not exactly products one can buy from elsewhere.
Contrast Paints seem unique in the market. And they're getting more made.
That is the funny thing with supply and demand: people are lazy if supply is good.
When people cannot get their needed thing, they start looking for alternatives.

I am already participating on formulation discussions based on known materials:
Mat-medium
Flo-aid
Slo-dry
Acrylic pigment inks.
Distilled water
It really is just a matter of getting the proportions right, I only need to get my hands on one pot to figure it out.
Much of the shading results look like ringers for the old ink-wash techniques, it is just a shade / ink hybrid with a slo-dry to give the pigment time to settle and yet not flow everywhere.

Market can slow that tiny bit if people find other product that fills the need, it IS unique but I think reasonably easy to mimic.
They have a narrow window of time before the DIY methods are refined and then competitors get formulations out there.


Do you honestly think people who want contrast paints will put in hours of effort doing research to be able to pull off a similar effect because they couldn't get all the contrast paints they wanted on the first production? Because I think you are going to be in a minority on that one.

Further do you think alternative companies are going to be able to produce a similar product before GW can do a second production? Do you think they will be able to establish their potential product like GW already has before GW does a second production? Because I don't think so.

Maybe, just maybe, things like new paint selling out is a generally acceptable event for people and they will just get the things they want on the second go.

 
   
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 Talizvar wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Except they're not exactly products one can buy from elsewhere.
Contrast Paints seem unique in the market. And they're getting more made.
That is the funny thing with supply and demand: people are lazy if supply is good.
When people cannot get their needed thing, they start looking for alternatives.

I am already participating on formulation discussions based on known materials:
Mat-medium
Flo-aid
Slo-dry
Acrylic pigment inks.
Distilled water
It really is just a matter of getting the proportions right, I only need to get my hands on one pot to figure it out.
Much of the shading results look like ringers for the old ink-wash techniques, it is just a shade / ink hybrid with a slo-dry to give the pigment time to settle and yet not flow everywhere.

Market can slow that tiny bit if people find other product that fills the need, it IS unique but I think reasonably easy to mimic.
They have a narrow window of time before the DIY methods are refined and then competitors get formulations out there.



Come on, there is no way you're going to mcgyver out their process before they simply produce more. Its totally reasonable that people can wait for more product.

To think it's going to be easy to mimic it feels like hubris as if it were so easy then this type of paint wouldnt be new. You need the chemical composition to figure out the formula.

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First I'll make my own contrast... then tomorrow, the world!!!

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Ya-huh...

Anyway, GW has finally revealed how they come up with their stupid paint names:



I demand a colour named Incomprehensible Eggplant.


   
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 Talizvar wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Except they're not exactly products one can buy from elsewhere.
Contrast Paints seem unique in the market. And they're getting more made.
That is the funny thing with supply and demand: people are lazy if supply is good.
When people cannot get their needed thing, they start looking for alternatives.

I am already participating on formulation discussions based on known materials:
Mat-medium
Flo-aid
Slo-dry
Acrylic pigment inks.
Distilled water
It really is just a matter of getting the proportions right, I only need to get my hands on one pot to figure it out.
Much of the shading results look like ringers for the old ink-wash techniques, it is just a shade / ink hybrid with a slo-dry to give the pigment time to settle and yet not flow everywhere.

Market can slow that tiny bit if people find other product that fills the need, it IS unique but I think reasonably easy to mimic.
They have a narrow window of time before the DIY methods are refined and then competitors get formulations out there.




It always amazes me the length people will go to in the pursuit of copying the amazing effort GW put in while not paying GW for doing it.
   
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Plus the point is that "competitor" brands won't be GW. GW is firmly leading the hobby for a ton of people. I find that t pretty entertaining that detractors of GW keep saying contrast is so easy to make, like dip etc But, if it's that easy, why is GW first to market ?

I can guarantee that only a minority of a minority is going to be trying to mix their own using 5 ingredients rather than wait a week for GW. I suspect most GW gamers are rather loyal to the brand to be honest.

GWs big bonus is consistent supply and lots of retailers. Yep, a little t of places sold out of contrast but there are reputable retailers with some of the lines still in stock like grey seer, the sprays etc
   
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I've heard rumblings of contrast paint chipping on plastic miniatures, I know the paints aren't widely available yet, but has anyone experienced this?

 
   
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It's been mentioned here and there that they're more delicate than normal paints and require a coat of varnish to seal them down, which has me concerned. I'm wondering if that's an issue with the paints themselves or if it's because these primers are specifically smoother and don't have as much tooth for paint on top to grip onto. It's one of the reasons I want to try them out in person first, if they rub off too easily from handling then they aren't much good to me

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 nurgle5 wrote:
I've heard rumblings of contrast paint chipping on plastic miniatures, I know the paints aren't widely available yet, but has anyone experienced this?


They chipped on mine when I tried them out at warhammerfest, but I was carrying the models round loose in a cardboard tray. It dries quite thin though. I’d most likely put a varnish over them.
   
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 Kalamadea wrote:
It's been mentioned here and there that they're more delicate than normal paints and require a coat of varnish to seal them down, which has me concerned. I'm wondering if that's an issue with the paints themselves or if it's because these primers are specifically smoother and don't have as much tooth for paint on top to grip onto. It's one of the reasons I want to try them out in person first, if they rub off too easily from handling then they aren't much good to me


They mentioned it in the "Science of Contrast" article. Contrast paint dries in a layer 1/10th the thickness of the base paints, so needs a coat of varnish.
   
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They don't seem much different to the first lot of inks that GW did, those used to scratch if they were handled roughly enough. To be honest the contrast paints feel like the professional quality acrylic inks I used to use but (incredibly!) a little cheaper. The extra pigment and the flow medium will always compromise durability but a quick coat of varnish isn't much of a hardship is it?
   
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Think of them like the technical effect paints which also require a layer of varnish. It's honestly only one further layer atop so should seal down the models well and besides there's now both a gloss and mat paint on and spray varnishes.

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They mentioned it in the "Science of Contrast" article. Contrast paint dries in a layer 1/10th the thickness of the base paints, so needs a coat of varnish.

1/10th thickness shouldn't matter at all if it's properly bonding to the layer below. Every layer of paint (and varnish) is supposed to another and form a single homogeneous coat, if it's delaminating at a single layer that's a problem. Either the contrast formula itself doesn't adhere well and is fragile, or the special smoother primer isn't gripping as well as regular primer, either way is an issue. A coat of varnish will help but won't completely solve the issue as you're sealing over a fragile substrate and it's always going to be a potential point of failure.

I may be overthinking it because I work in the auto body & paint industry and we have to warranty all our paintwork for life of the vehicle, when there's an issue we spend a lot of time analyzing if it's a product failure or if it's a prep & application failure and how to resolve it

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
First I'll make my own contrast... then tomorrow, the world!!!

*lightning crashes in background*

Ya-huh...

Anyway, GW has finally revealed how they come up with their stupid paint names:



I demand a colour named Incomprehensible Eggplant.



My new phrase to express shock at anything GW related:

Well colour me Incomprehensible Eggplant and call me Sigmar.


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 Kalamadea wrote:
They mentioned it in the "Science of Contrast" article. Contrast paint dries in a layer 1/10th the thickness of the base paints, so needs a coat of varnish.

1/10th thickness shouldn't matter at all if it's properly bonding to the layer below. Every layer of paint (and varnish) is supposed to another and form a single homogeneous coat, if it's delaminating at a single layer that's a problem. Either the contrast formula itself doesn't adhere well and is fragile, or the special smoother primer isn't gripping as well as regular primer, either way is an issue. A coat of varnish will help but won't completely solve the issue as you're sealing over a fragile substrate and it's always going to be a potential point of failure.

I may be overthinking it because I work in the auto body & paint industry and we have to warranty all our paintwork for life of the vehicle, when there's an issue we spend a lot of time analyzing if it's a product failure or if it's a prep & application failure and how to resolve it


I wonder if it would work better with a primer underneath. GW have never been very good at differentiation between base coat and primer, and if this stuff chips I wonder if using a real primer first would help give it something to key too.

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 Kalamadea wrote:
They mentioned it in the "Science of Contrast" article. Contrast paint dries in a layer 1/10th the thickness of the base paints, so needs a coat of varnish.

1/10th thickness shouldn't matter at all if it's properly bonding to the layer below. Every layer of paint (and varnish) is supposed to another and form a single homogeneous coat, if it's delaminating at a single layer that's a problem. Either the contrast formula itself doesn't adhere well and is fragile, or the special smoother primer isn't gripping as well as regular primer, either way is an issue. A coat of varnish will help but won't completely solve the issue as you're sealing over a fragile substrate and it's always going to be a potential point of failure.

I may be overthinking it because I work in the auto body & paint industry and we have to warranty all our paintwork for life of the vehicle, when there's an issue we spend a lot of time analyzing if it's a product failure or if it's a prep & application failure and how to resolve it


I think its just different product focus. GW isn't trying to make car paint but model paint and was going more for the quality of the paints flow rather than its resistance. Plus GW knows that if you're "serious" about paint you'll be paint/spraying a layer (at least one) of varnish over the top to seal the model anyway. So if one type of paint rubs off a bit more its not a huge issue as its not the final layer.


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So these paints seem to be sold out already ... did GW ever say when they expect to have more available?

   
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 Necros wrote:
So these paints seem to be sold out already ... did GW ever say when they expect to have more available?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/06/10/contrast-not-just-the-red-ones-that-go-fasta/

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oh, missed that .. i don't have a store nearby these days, i'll have to wait till it's back in the web store. Bet the other online shops will be sold out too, or it'll go faster than my memory will remind me to check.

   
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Spoiler:

This Friday on GW's Twitch channel they'll be having a 'Hang Out and Contrast' paint session with the Warhammer TV crew.

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For those who were complaining about Leviadon Blue a few pages back GW has posted Citadel Paints: What's in a Name on Warhammer Community

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Glad it has "Blood" on both sides; just needs "Wolf" too

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Glad it has "Blood" on both sides; just needs "Wolf" too


It has Skull on both sides too.

This thing is amazing.

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Fist Pink ??? ROFL
   
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 oni wrote:
 Avatar 720 wrote:
Glad it has "Blood" on both sides; just needs "Wolf" too


It has Skull on both sides too.

This thing is amazing.

Extremely Stressful Brown

Fist Pink ??? ROFL


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 ImAGeek wrote:
 oni wrote:
 Avatar 720 wrote:
Glad it has "Blood" on both sides; just needs "Wolf" too


It has Skull on both sides too.

This thing is amazing.

Extremely Stressful Brown

Fist Pink ??? ROFL


Sigmar’s Cream.

I guess you start with fist pink and layer Sigmar’s Cream for emperors children

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 Kalamadea wrote:
It's been mentioned here and there that they're more delicate than normal paints and require a coat of varnish to seal them down, which has me concerned. I'm wondering if that's an issue with the paints themselves or if it's because these primers are specifically smoother and don't have as much tooth for paint on top to grip onto. It's one of the reasons I want to try them out in person first, if they rub off too easily from handling then they aren't much good to me


Put a varnish on, and the problem goes away...

Don't we all varnish anyways?
   
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Decided to give it a fair crack-of-the-whip and will be pre-ordering Iyanden Yellow, Wrathbone and Greyseer on 16% discount. Got two Intercessors that need painting as Imperial Fists and yellow armour is a sod. Might fancy a Legio Gryphonicus Titan down the line too!


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 Togusa wrote:
 Kalamadea wrote:
It's been mentioned here and there that they're more delicate than normal paints and require a coat of varnish to seal them down, which has me concerned. I'm wondering if that's an issue with the paints themselves or if it's because these primers are specifically smoother and don't have as much tooth for paint on top to grip onto. It's one of the reasons I want to try them out in person first, if they rub off too easily from handling then they aren't much good to me


Put a varnish on, and the problem goes away...

Don't we all varnish anyways?


Varnish may not help if the paint is not properly keyed to the layer below. It will still chip away, especially with matte varnish.

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