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2019/06/09 14:36:40
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
I know a fair few of us wondered about these over metallic colours, so ウォーハンマーストア横浜 on facebook posted these over leadbelcher
This turquoise/teal Stormcast Eternal that we've seen before...
Spoiler:
... Duncan mentioned on the Twitch feed Wednesday that it's actually Talassar Blue (roughly equivalent to Lothern Blue) over a Retributor Armour base coat. It will be interesting to see what kind of effects occur over the other metallic paints than just silver.
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2019/06/09 14:41:44
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
You know, what I'm really interested to see is a direct comparison of what the Contrast looks like over the "special" primers compared to a more traditional matt-drying spray primer with a similar value & tone.
If I can just grab Grey Seer & Mechanicus Standard/Wraithbone & Zandri Dust and have it just work properly, great, but if I'm going to have to fanny about with a satin varnish over the darker colour to make the Contrast flow right, then you'd be as well looking for cheaper sprays with the right colours and then just hitting the whole thing with a satin coat when it's done.
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2019/06/09 14:45:52
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
From what I've hear from those that have used it over GW white it doesn't work/flow as well as over the 2 new primers, but it does work to some extent,
so it's probably going to be something you've got to try yourself
(I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't work over hand brushed primers as I bet the coverage & surface are a lot less smooth than an rattlecan/airbrush)
2019/06/09 17:03:12
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
Completely agree with that Orlando, lots of experimentation is needed. What I do seem to notice from the basing example it is clear that there are some colours that are far more useful than others. For example Ultramarines blue just seems like the wrong colour, just too dark for what most would associate with Ultramarines. Then again I think Contrast is really not best used on Space Marines, just too many flat panels for pooling.
I think it'll work fine on Marines, it'll just need a bit more care than otherwise, just as when applying a wash.
I'm starting to think that for my planned zenithal approach(medium colour, off-white like the GW paints, drybrush of pure white to add punch to the edges) it might be best to just satin coat the whole thing prior to the Contrast application.
The question then becomes - are there any affordable rattlecans out there that are approximate matches for the Contrast sprays and Zandri Dust(I think Army Painter Uniform Grey looks like a good colour for pairing with Grey Seer), and is there a good satin varnish spray? Ideally you'd want one that goes down quite thin.
I've got plenty of matte and gloss rattlecans, but no satin since GW changed their varnish to be more matte.
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2019/06/09 18:02:56
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: From what I've hear from those that have used it over GW white it doesn't work/flow as well as over the 2 new primers, but it does work to some extent,
so it's probably going to be something you've got to try yourself
(I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't work over hand brushed primers as I bet the coverage & surface are a lot less smooth than an rattlecan/airbrush)
The Stormcast sprue showing the effect over silver looks like it's done over a brushed-on base coat.
2019/06/09 18:42:58
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
AndrewGPaul wrote: The Stormcast sprue showing the effect over silver looks like it's done over a brushed-on base coat.
It is definitely a brushed on base coat, you can see the brush strokes for it on the sprue itself. Looking over the samples of different colors, I believe it was brushed on Gray Seer Base, most likely to demonstrate brush on base and then contrast together.
2019/06/09 18:59:50
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
AndrewGPaul wrote: The Stormcast sprue showing the effect over silver looks like it's done over a brushed-on base coat.
It is definitely a brushed on base coat, you can see the brush strokes for it on the sprue itself. Looking over the samples of different colors, I believe it was brushed on Gray Seer Base, most likely to demonstrate brush on base and then contrast together.
The sprue was likely sprayed with Leadbelcher and then the Contrast stuff was applied over top of it.
2019/06/09 19:23:59
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
There are maybe 3 or 4 colours I definitely would like to get. Just more tools for me to use.
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2019/06/09 20:04:30
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
Experimented with Contrast this weekend. Maybe I just need more practice but pooling seems to be a big problem.
Lost the sharp ridges on shoulderpads, lost the depth of the eye sockets on a few skulls, had a few bolters lose their lines. The dark splotches on flat surfaces is the hardest part, it doesn't feel like there's a good way to smooth the paint once it's on the model.
Would love to see some tutorials on how to deal with this. Not sure I have it in me to continue trial and error.
The white is like the one colour I want to get for sure. All the local stores that stock GW as well as the nearest GW and GW's online store all seem to be out already.
eddieazrael wrote:Does anyone know if Vallejo do a brush primer in the same colour as the new GW spray cans? I have a bunch of reaper bones to do, and don't want to risk spraying them with an unknown rattle can, but equally don't want to spend a chunk on a primer shade I can get cheaper in as good quality.
Vallejo surface primer grey is very close to the grey seer.
tneva82 wrote:So people complain paint is useless, bad etc. Then it's sold out in droves and people complain about that. If they didn't sold likely would hear "told it's bad". Gw can't win
It's like it's different people all saying different things or something.
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
2019/06/09 21:30:09
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
techsoldaten wrote: Experimented with Contrast this weekend. Maybe I just need more practice but pooling seems to be a big problem.
Lost the sharp ridges on shoulderpads, lost the depth of the eye sockets on a few skulls, had a few bolters lose their lines. The dark splotches on flat surfaces is the hardest part, it doesn't feel like there's a good way to smooth the paint once it's on the model.
Would love to see some tutorials on how to deal with this. Not sure I have it in me to continue trial and error.
I'd probably suggest keeping the amount on your brush quite low and then drag it towards the recesses. Once you have the colour on the model then go over the shadowed areas again to give some more depth.
It's basically a wash + base combined. If you are overly generous with a wash then it will pool too - so use the same techniques to remove the pooling.
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2019/06/09 21:32:11
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
That white is nice. I have it in my order, for my world eaters. I think the contrast will need pushing more, taking the shadows deeper and taking it to crisp white high points, but it looks like a decent start.
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2019/06/09 22:20:03
Subject: Re:'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
Gmg did a video covering (pun intended) contrast paints over a metallic undercoat in response to questions (mine?) yesterday. I'm not personally impressed with the results and won't be using the technique.
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2019/06/10 00:19:42
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
Zenithal priming to grey isn't bright enough. I think going to white is the way to go for contrast over zenithal.
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
2019/06/10 00:45:21
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
I looked at ordering them but they were sold out on the very first day. Just like all of GW's releases are.
If i was a stock holder and I saw how they were handling things I would be pissed. They have been throwing the oppertunity for more revenue down the road, pretty much for the past year. Not sure if they don't know how to property prepare, can't get stock, or grossly underestimate the want but any way about it if I owned stock and I seen them limiting the potential on every release I would be asking questions at the share holders meetings.
2019/06/10 05:46:46
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
Put in preorders for the red, and then the black, grey, and white. None of the other colors immediately appear to do that much more than what I get out of the shades.
2019/06/10 09:52:57
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
angel of death 007 wrote: I looked at ordering them but they were sold out on the very first day. Just like all of GW's releases are.
If i was a stock holder and I saw how they were handling things I would be pissed. They have been throwing the oppertunity for more revenue down the road, pretty much for the past year. Not sure if they don't know how to property prepare, can't get stock, or grossly underestimate the want but any way about it if I owned stock and I seen them limiting the potential on every release I would be asking questions at the share holders meetings.
Except they're not exactly products one can buy from elsewhere.
Contrast Paints seem unique in the market. And they're getting more made.
Models? Yep. Good luck getting those anywhere else, other than Chinacast. Which remains thoroughly frowned upon. And occasionally, the subject of a drive-by tutting!
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Wow… the new Contrast paint has proven so popular that some of the new colours have already sold out over on games-workshop.com.
We knew from the get-go that Contrast was going to be popular, and despite making oodles* and oodles of it, it seems we still underestimated just how excited you were at the prospect of purging your sprue-grey legions with the help of this new paint.
The good news is that even as we write this, vast quantities of Contrast paint are on their way to stores around the world. Come next weekend, your local Warhammer, Games Workshop or independent hobby store will have plenty of every colour on its shelves. Though judging by this weekend, we’d suggest you get there early!
Contrast paint is bottled up right here at Warhammer HQ in Nottingham, and our crack team of pigmenticians** are already making more – so we expect to have all the paints back in stock on Games-Workshop.com before you know it.
Happy painting.
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2019/06/10 13:40:15
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Except they're not exactly products one can buy from elsewhere.
Contrast Paints seem unique in the market. And they're getting more made.
That is the funny thing with supply and demand: people are lazy if supply is good.
When people cannot get their needed thing, they start looking for alternatives.
I am already participating on formulation discussions based on known materials:
Mat-medium
Flo-aid
Slo-dry
Acrylic pigment inks.
Distilled water
It really is just a matter of getting the proportions right, I only need to get my hands on one pot to figure it out.
Much of the shading results look like ringers for the old ink-wash techniques, it is just a shade / ink hybrid with a slo-dry to give the pigment time to settle and yet not flow everywhere.
Market can slow that tiny bit if people find other product that fills the need, it IS unique but I think reasonably easy to mimic.
They have a narrow window of time before the DIY methods are refined and then competitors get formulations out there.
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2019/06/10 14:10:55
Subject: Re:'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
For those who were complaining about Leviadon Blue a few pages back GW has posted Citadel Paints: What's in a Name on Warhammer Community
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2019/06/10 14:19:32
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- In stores June 15th, color charts and video pg. 34
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