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**Anung Un Rama**

malfred wrote:I wasn't really excited about the Avengers until I heard Whedon was doing it.

Now we're definitely going to see it.

While reading his X-Men stuff, there was one thing that got me worried. So far, Avengers has one female character and I don't see Black Widow hooking up with anybody. I'm curios to see, how Whedon will handle the emotional part of the movie.

**Manchu**

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Will be getting Batman Incorporated for certain, not sure on any of the others. Huntress and Powergirl is possible as I like those two characters.

I'm dead certain on the new World's Finest. Although a big fan of both Bats and Grant Morrison, or maybe because I am a fan of both, I'll probably wait for the inevitable hard cover BatInc collections (which is what I've done so far). I like to read Morrison's stuff all at once and then read his own "and this reference is ..." notes. Scott Snyder is a bit better for installment reading, I think.

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Anung Un Rama wrote:So, is this the Huntress who's actually Bruce' and Selina's daughter?

Paul Levitz wrote:Nothing’s quite the same…the world they’re in, the rules of the game, the stakes…so Helena and Kara are facing dilemmas in WORLDS’ FINEST that are nothing like any version of either of their previous lives…

Learn the identities they used on Earth 2…watch why those change when they get here…and see the choices they face. It’s a layered puzzle, pulling on the rich history of the DC Universe…but even more on the potential for an explosively different lives in the New 52 universe…and over time, it’ll all pull together to affect the lives of so many…

As a writer, it’s a true joy to collaborate with star artists George Perez and Kevin Maguire, and to be able to design a series to fit their talents together as seamlessly as possible. And the heroines of WORLDS FINEST are simultaneously old friends (to me, as well as each other) and very new acquaintances that you want to grow closer to…if you can. They’re showing a lot of their true selves…but hiding even more.

Welcome to new worlds…and a totally new WORLDS’ FINEST.

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2012/01/19/writer-paul-levitz-on-worlds%E2%80%99-finest/

**KamikazeCanuck**

malfred wrote:I wasn't really excited about the Avengers until I heard Whedon was doing it.

Now we're definitely going to see it.

I didn't know that. Interesting.

**reds8n**

reds8n wrote:

Had to indulge myself with the Batman : Leviathan Strikes, which is pure Morrison insanity/brilliance. The way he's plotted all this and lain down these seeds is remarkable indeed.

http://mindlessones.com/2012/01/22/batman-incorporated-leviathan-strikes-annocommentations-part-1/

worth a read. Their reviews of Morrison's stuff are pretty thorough.

**Manchu**

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/01/24/robins-comic-from-jeff-lemire/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BleedingCool+%28Bleeding+Cool+Comic+News+%26+Rumors%29

Sounds great -- but it also sounds like someone's pranking Bleeding Cool again.

**Bleak_Fantasy**

To drop Dark Knight or not to drop Dark Knight. I'm already reading Batman,DC, and Batwoman. Dark Knight is okay. Its a little too much like Arkham Asylum, okay story gamewise but comic wise its lacking.

**spudkins**

who be the hardest comic charactor?

**KamikazeCanuck**

Hardest? What do you mean?

**Kanluwen**

Manchu wrote:http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/01/24/robins-comic-from-jeff-lemire/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BleedingCool+%28Bleeding+Cool+Comic+News+%26+Rumors%29

Sounds great -- but it also sounds like someone's pranking Bleeding Cool again.

I like this rumor.

**spudkins**

one vs one in a fight?
Hulk?
Invisible woman?
the tick?

Super man I really dislike so I dont want him to win.

**KamikazeCanuck**

spudkins wrote:one vs one in a fight?
Hulk?
Invisible woman?
the tick?
Super man I really dislike so I dont want him to win.

I go by old Wizard Magazines list of top ten most powerful heroes list. Silver Surfer was first, Thor was second, Superman was third and I think Wonder Women was fourth. Don't remember the rest to well but I believe Xavier and Hulk were 9th and 10th.

**spudkins**

wouldnt it be Dr manhattan???

**KamikazeCanuck**

spudkins wrote:wouldnt it be Dr manhattan???

He definately up there if not #2. (Silver Surfer is still insanely powerful) but the criteria for the list was that they had to be a SuperHero. I guess Dr. Manhatten didn't meet that criteria. He's not so much a superhero as he is just a weird fellow.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Aye, I suppose if they allowed Villians to count, there are some folks in the darker ranks who really on paper shouldn't be beatable.. at all.

**KamikazeCanuck**

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Aye, I suppose if they allowed Villians to count, there are some folks in the darker ranks who really on paper shouldn't be beatable.. at all.

Also, supervillian's power levels vary wildly depending on whether or not they are the bad guy of the month.

**Alpharius**

Right indeed - just ask Count Nefaria!

(Though I do love me some Moon Knight!)

**KamikazeCanuck**

Alpharius wrote:Right indeed - just ask Count Nefaria!

(Though I do love me some Moon Knight!)

It's pretty good. He always looks cooler than he actually is.

**Manchu**

Kanluwen wrote:
Manchu wrote:http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/01/24/robins-comic-from-jeff-lemire/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BleedingCool+%28Bleeding+Cool+Comic+News+%26+Rumors%29

Sounds great -- but it also sounds like someone's pranking Bleeding Cool again.

I like this rumor.

The big announcement was today. Lemire described it as a "new project" but what he meant was "new to him." He's taking over on JL Dark. Whooptee do.

**KamikazeCanuck**

I'm all caught up in JLA. Honestly, I'm disappointed. I don't think it's very good at all. Every issue is them introducing a "new" character in a contrived and lame manner. The overall Darkseid storyline is throwaway and uninteresting. I'll stick with it for a while in hopes that once they get the band together the storyline will pick up.

**Manchu**

I've caught up on a few books lately and am happy to say I look forward to issue six of the following titles:

- Auaqman
- Birds of Prey
- Fury of Firestorm
- Red Hood and the Outlaws

I also caught up on Superboy and am not totally impressed so far. But I haven't caught up on Teen Titans so maybe that is the key. I'll report back in on these as I read them, along with Deathstroke, Batwoman, and All Star Western. In the meantime, let me know if you guys have any question on the titles above or any of the Bat-titles (minus Batwing).

**KamikazeCanuck**

Aren't you reading Detective Comics and Batman too? You're not looking forward to them? Detective Comics has been pretty good so far IMO.

**Manchu**

Yeah, in addition to the titles I mentioned above, I'm also reading: Batman, Batman: Odyssey, Batman & Robin, Detective, Dark Knight, Blue Beetle, Catwoman, Huntress, Penguin, and Nightwing. I've read a few of all of these and been pleased with them thus far but need to catch up on them, too. I read through 5 of Batman but I thought everyone loved it so much you guys must have heard about that.

**KamikazeCanuck**

I suppose it goes without saying Manchu likes his Batman.

**reds8n**

Must admit JLA is a bit meh currnetly.

I'll give it until it catches up to the modern/now Dc universe and if it doesn't improve then it's being dropped.

Aquaman is indeed great, kick ass story every month.

Firestorm I'm enjoying but Swamp Thing and Animal Man are superb.

Must admit to being tempted by Batman, the reviews and artwork have been great.

.. meanwhile...

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=36724

Official Press Release

DC ENTERTAINMENT OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCES “BEFORE WATCHMEN”

This summer, DC Entertainment will publish all-new stories expanding on the acclaimed WATCHMEN universe. As highly anticipated as they are controversial, the seven inter-connected prequel mini-series will build on the foundation of the original WATCHMEN, the bestselling graphic novel of all time. BEFORE WATCHMEN will be the collective banner for all seven titles, from DC Comics.

“It’s our responsibility as publishers to find new ways to keep all of our characters relevant,” said DC Entertainment Co-Publishers Dan DiDio and Jim Lee. “After twenty five years, the Watchmen are classic characters whose time has come for new stories to be told. We sought out the best writers and artists in the industry to build on the complex mythology of the original.”

Stepping up to the challenge is a group of the comic book industry’s most iconoclastic writers and artists – including Brian Azzarello (100 BULLETS), Lee Bermejo (JOKER), Amanda Conner (POWER GIRL), Darwyn Cooke (JUSTICE LEAGUE: NEW FRONTIER), John Higgins (WATCHMEN), Adam Hughes (CATWOMAN), J.G. Jones (FINAL CRISIS), Andy Kubert (FLASHPOINT), Joe Kubert (SGT. ROCK), Jae Lee (BATMAN: JEKYLL AND HYDE), J. Michael Straczynski (SUPERMAN: EARTH ONE) and Len Wein (SWAMP THING).

BEFORE WATCHMEN includes:

- RORSCHACH (4 issues) – Writer: Brian Azzarello. Artist: Lee Bermejo
- MINUTEMEN (6 issues) – Writer/Artist: Darwyn Cooke
- COMEDIAN (6 issues) – Writer: Brian Azzarello. Artist: J.G. Jones
- DR. MANHATTAN (4 issues) – Writer: J. Michael Straczynski. Artist: Adam Hughes
- NITE OWL (4 issues) – Writer: J. Michael Straczynski. Artists: Andy and Joe Kubert
- OZYMANDIAS (6 issues) – Writer: Len Wein. Artist: Jae Lee
- SILK SPECTRE (4 issues) – Writer: Darwyn Cooke. Artist: Amanda Conner

Each week, a new issue will be released, and will feature a two-page back-up story called CURSE OF THE CRIMSON CORSAIR, written by original series editor Len Wein and with art by original series colorist John Higgins. There will also be a single issue, BEFORE WATCHMEN: EPILOGUE, featuring the work of various writers and artists, and a CRIMSON CORSAIR story by Wein and Higgins.

“The original series of WATCHMEN is the complete story that Alan Moore and I wanted to tell. However, I appreciate DC's reasons for this initiative and the wish of the artists and writers involved to pay tribute to our work. May these new additions have the success they desire,” said Dave Gibbons, WATCHMEN co-creator and original series artist.

“Comic books are perhaps the largest and longest running form of collaborative fiction,” said DiDio and Lee. “Collaborative storytelling is what keeps these fictional universes current and relevant.”

... off the creators alone I'm sold on all of them.

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/02/exclusive-before-watchmen/

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Oh, another cover preview

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dc-entertainment-watchmen-prequel-7-books-286302

**Alpharius**

Wow!

I never thought we'd see this day... (OK, I kinda did.)

GW must be getting ready to release that Pre-Heresy Supplement, along with Primarch Rules and Models!

Plus, I'm guessing it is getting kind of chilly down below too...

**Manchu**

reds8n wrote:Aquaman is indeed great, kick ass story every month.

I wasn't sure about 1 - 4, thought they were a bit heavy-handed. Also, the decompression opening #5 was ridiculous filler. The end of 5, however, and all its promise of Atlantean adventure has me eager for next month's issue.

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KamikazeCanuck wrote:I suppose it goes without saying Manchu likes his Batman.

Bizarrely, I left Batgirl (my favorite BatBook) off the list above!

**KamikazeCanuck**

reds8n wrote: Must admit JLA is a bit meh currnetly.

I'll give it until it catches up to the modern/now Dc universe and if it doesn't improve then it's being dropped.

Aquaman is indeed great, kick ass story every month.

Firestorm I'm enjoying but Swamp Thing and Animal Man are superb.

Must admit to being tempted by Batman, the reviews and artwork have been great.

.. meanwhile...

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=36724

Official Press Release

DC ENTERTAINMENT OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCES “BEFORE WATCHMEN”

This summer, DC Entertainment will publish all-new stories expanding on the acclaimed WATCHMEN universe. As highly anticipated as they are controversial, the seven inter-connected prequel mini-series will build on the foundation of the original WATCHMEN, the bestselling graphic novel of all time. BEFORE WATCHMEN will be the collective banner for all seven titles, from DC Comics.

“It’s our responsibility as publishers to find new ways to keep all of our characters relevant,” said DC Entertainment Co-Publishers Dan DiDio and Jim Lee. “After twenty five years, the Watchmen are classic characters whose time has come for new stories to be told. We sought out the best writers and artists in the industry to build on the complex mythology of the original.”

Stepping up to the challenge is a group of the comic book industry’s most iconoclastic writers and artists – including Brian Azzarello (100 BULLETS), Lee Bermejo (JOKER), Amanda Conner (POWER GIRL), Darwyn Cooke (JUSTICE LEAGUE: NEW FRONTIER), John Higgins (WATCHMEN), Adam Hughes (CATWOMAN), J.G. Jones (FINAL CRISIS), Andy Kubert (FLASHPOINT), Joe Kubert (SGT. ROCK), Jae Lee (BATMAN: JEKYLL AND HYDE), J. Michael Straczynski (SUPERMAN: EARTH ONE) and Len Wein (SWAMP THING).

BEFORE WATCHMEN includes:

- RORSCHACH (4 issues) – Writer: Brian Azzarello. Artist: Lee Bermejo
- MINUTEMEN (6 issues) – Writer/Artist: Darwyn Cooke
- COMEDIAN (6 issues) – Writer: Brian Azzarello. Artist: J.G. Jones
- DR. MANHATTAN (4 issues) – Writer: J. Michael Straczynski. Artist: Adam Hughes
- NITE OWL (4 issues) – Writer: J. Michael Straczynski. Artists: Andy and Joe Kubert
- OZYMANDIAS (6 issues) – Writer: Len Wein. Artist: Jae Lee
- SILK SPECTRE (4 issues) – Writer: Darwyn Cooke. Artist: Amanda Conner

Each week, a new issue will be released, and will feature a two-page back-up story called CURSE OF THE CRIMSON CORSAIR, written by original series editor Len Wein and with art by original series colorist John Higgins. There will also be a single issue, BEFORE WATCHMEN: EPILOGUE, featuring the work of various writers and artists, and a CRIMSON CORSAIR story by Wein and Higgins.

“The original series of WATCHMEN is the complete story that Alan Moore and I wanted to tell. However, I appreciate DC's reasons for this initiative and the wish of the artists and writers involved to pay tribute to our work. May these new additions have the success they desire,” said Dave Gibbons, WATCHMEN co-creator and original series artist.

“Comic books are perhaps the largest and longest running form of collaborative fiction,” said DiDio and Lee. “Collaborative storytelling is what keeps these fictional universes current and relevant.”

... off the creators alone I'm sold on all of them.

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/02/exclusive-before-watchmen/

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Oh, another cover preview

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dc-entertainment-watchmen-prequel-7-books-286302

Hmmm, I may actually get this. Didn't realize it was a prequel. The talent is impressive but I know I'll end up being disappointed with the story in the end.

**reds8n**

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/02/a-first-look-at-six-before-watchmen-covers/

That Rorschach cover is fantastic.

In related news, I rad this as it's come to the fore again

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17997

The Mayfair DC system is pretty much my favourite ever RPG. Strongly due to nostalgia I suspect, but I thought it captured the genre wonderfully.

...plus, I own all ( AFAIK) of the modules released for the game and had no idea the Watchmen ones were worth that much

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Never tried that one sadly, I had the Marvel TSR one back when it was about, but that was the only Superhero RPG I picked up in my youth.

Last November, inspired by the DCNU, I picked up the first two books for this.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Adventures-RPG-Heros-Handbook-Roleplaying/dp/1934547379/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1328178930&sr=8-1

Its a nice system, and I'm planning on doing a long campaign once the next two books arrive. Although they've been delayed to the summer which is a shame as both should have been out in Jan. Eitherway it looks from my couple of read throughs its going to be fun.

Will be setting up Aura's 'fresh' hero in Gotham, avoiding the larger players to start and see how it goes.

**Manchu**

I always thought core nWoD would be perfect for a Gotham game.

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Brett White wrote: If you want to ignore "Before Watchmen," please do. You'll save around a hundred dollars, which could be put towards enacting a real change in the industry.

That change? Buy something new.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=36751