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Even if you haven't read the book it's well worth having a skizz at this,if only to see the layers that Morrison puts in his work.
Or, perhaps, what certain people read into his work anyway.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I want to read those badly. But I also want this work to hit me full-force when I finally get to read it in trade ... er, you know, hardcover. Morrison's Batman is like some kind of candy-drug you only get at Christmas. It's a comic that makes me think about how I want to read it.
Super boy is great if you read teen Titians as well. there is a really awesome panel in issue #4 of Teen Titians where he is in times square and there is a video of Lex Luthor right behind him in the background and they both have the same look on their faces. Super Boy really reminds me of Sylar, I love it.
The little guy has to be Mxyzptlk. The line about "performing a task in my name" is a giveaway, I think. And here's a subtle but possible link -- in the classic book A Wrinkle in Time, wasn't the 5th dimension described as a tesseract? I think I done good with that one.
Interesting that blue K must be something radically different now to be the "most terrible of all".
Still no clue on the bandaged guy. I mean, Zod seems obvious, but it's such a radically different look. Could he be some kind of Zod/Kryptonoid mashup? The Kryptonoid was a Superman robot fused with a virus fused with an Army general. So is this guy a Kryptonian general fused with robotic parts? Seems like a long shot, but their word balloons are similar, and those kinds of details are right up Morrison's alley...
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I don't think they are necessary. Watchmen is perfectly fine the way it is. We get a lot of background on all the characters and when all is said and done.. well, it's done.
Granted, I probably wouldn't mind reading more stories with them, especially with the creative team behind it, but it's not smething I ever thought the world needed.
Looking at the debate about pre-Watchmen on other sites, I've come to the conclusion that there are lot of folks struggling with the difference between lack of interest and moral opposition.
Also, gorgon is right as far as I can tell. When was the last time you saw an article titled "Alan Moore has nice things to say about ..." If he does like things, no one is interested in reporting it.
I know, but he is right. The Watchmen is a complete story.
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Manchu wrote:Looking at the debate about pre-Watchmen on other sites, I've come to the conclusion that there are lot of folks struggling with the difference between lack of interest and moral opposition.
Well personally I'm struggling with moral opposotion and interest.
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KamikazeCanuck wrote:The Watchmen is a complete story. [...] Well personally I'm struggling with moral opposotion and interest.
A New Hope is also a complete story. It doesn't mean they never should have made Empire Strikes Back. Or Phantom Menace, for that matter. Frankly, it doesn't matter if the pre-Watchmen stories end up being closer to Phantom Menace than ESB in quality because you can just ignore them after all. This is what I mean by struggling between lack of interest and moral opposition. Just because you don't want to read something doesn't mean you have to oppose it on moral grounds. Your situation offers a slight twist but the conflict is just as absurd. There's nothing morally wrong about writing a sequel or prequel to Moby Dick. Nobody, not even Alan Moore, can tell us whether such a thing ought to be done or not. And honestly we're not talking about Moby Dick, either.
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KamikazeCanuck wrote:The Watchmen is a complete story. [...] Well personally I'm struggling with moral opposotion and interest.
A New Hope is also a complete story. It doesn't mean they never should have made Empire Strikes Back. Or Phantom Menace, for that matter. Frankly, it doesn't matter if the pre-Watchmen stories end up being closer to Phantom Menace than ESB in quality because you can just ignore them after all. This is what I mean by struggling between lack of interest and moral opposition. Just because you don't want to read something doesn't mean you have to oppose it on moral grounds. Your situation offers a slight twist but the conflict is just as absurd. There's nothing morally wrong about writing a sequel or prequel to Moby Dick. Nobody, not even Alan Moore, can tell us whether such a thing ought to be done or not. And honestly we're not talking about Moby Dick, either.
Well I don't think someone should make a sequel to Mobey Dick either. Your Star Wars analogy doesn't mesh because Lucas was involved with all 6 movies. Moore is the author of this story which was intended to be a complete story and it's not ridiculus for him to say I don't want someone to change the characters I created because that's the whole story.
Seeing as Moore has made a living off of taking other people's characters and writing new stories for them I really don't think his opinion matters all that much.
wana10 wrote:Seeing as Moore has made a living off of taking other people's characters and writing new stories for them I really don't think his opinion matters all that much.
wana10 wrote:Seeing as Moore has made a living off of taking other people's characters and writing new stories for them I really don't think his opinion matters all that much.
Yeah, even the Watchmen were just the old Charlton characters, rejiggered.
haven't read one in YEARS, since like 93 or something, but I remember I liked Image stuff, and Darker Image the best, pretty sure I have The Pitt #1 in storage back at my Dad's
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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Moore is the author of this story which was intended to be a complete story and it's not ridiculus for him to say I don't want someone to change the characters I created because that's the whole story.
Sure it is. When you sell your ideas to other people they can do whatever they like with them. In a similar way, it would have been ridiculous for DC to protest Alan Moore using his royalties checks to buy all that LSD. Alan Moore can say "there is no more story to tell" all he likes. Fortunately, the creative future of comic books is no longer in Alan Moore's hands.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Moore is the author of this story which was intended to be a complete story and it's not ridiculus for him to say I don't want someone to change the characters I created because that's the whole story.
Sure it is. When you sell your ideas to other people they can do whatever they like with them. In a similar way, it would have been ridiculous for DC to protest Alan Moore using his royalties checks to buy all that LSD. Alan Moore can say "there is no more story to tell" all he likes. Fortunately, the creative future of comic books is no longer in Alan Moore's hands.
Did someone say the creative future of comic books was in his hands in the first place?
I actually did buy the new Suicide Squad comics. ehh. Story seems fine, art is alright, Harley Quinn, not her. My working theory is that this is some psycho punk girl that wishes she was Harley Quinn and has been pretending to be her. As soon as this is revealed, or "Harley" is no longer in the series, I will not be buying anymore.
Do I get taken round the back of the woodshed for a beating, if I mention I'm not a fan of Watchmen at all.
In other news, pre-ordered Worlds Finest, Batman Inc, and oddly Fairest, thanks to a little preview comic I got.
Seems I am getting the odd freebie these days, been a member of Economic comics for a bit, and started to get comic themed postcards and bookmarks.
Always a bonus.
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Do I get taken round the back of the woodshed for a beating, if I mention I'm not a fan of Watchmen at all.
I feel about it mostly like I feel about the Dark Knight Returns. I recognize that it's a very well put together book that has had a tremendous impact on the industry and the superhero genre. I don't care for the effects it has had on the genre. And there is a difference: TDKR to me seems morally reprehensible. If I have to pick between Moore and Miller in terms of worldview, I'll (have to) pick Moore. Are comics better off because of these guys? Yeah, I suppose. But this is a different era. A lot of people are now okay with taking comic books seriously. Now let's see what comic books can do besides serious.
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