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The way that nuln over flowed over the bolter was amazing. Looks like it'll be great for washing things you really don't want to tint too much.

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I... isn't that what the gloss washes already do? Maybe a bit darker in the recesses, I guess?

I've used Vallejo Glaze Medium to do stuff similar to the second application myself.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.



Interesting. Taken with that Ridgerunner video from earlier in the thread, it seems like these will be useful for mimicking quite a few weathering effects without all the faff of working with oils and powders.

And yeah Albertorius, the Gloss washes work kinda like that, but it's another thing a new person would have to buy. That kind of little thing is more like the discovery they work kinda like "ghost tints" when you shoot them through an airbrush - you're probably not going to go out and buy them just for that, but if you already have the contrast there it's useful to know you can use it to do these other things so you don't have to go out and grab specialist products as well.

Honestly the biggest appeal for me for these has changed - I was mainly on board for the time savings, but the sheer versatility of this stuff is impressive.

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Well, yes, as long as you also bought the medium, then yes.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 Albertorius wrote:
Well, yes, as long as you also bought the medium, then yes.


Given it's the "correct" way to thin the rest of them, I expect most people who have some contrast will have the medium.

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A well known artist, John Blanche has also tried his hand with the new Contrasts...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/06/11/contrast-testimonies-john-blanchegw-homepage-post-3/

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Lol, did you just post in a GW thread and feel the need to add a qualifier to "John Blanche?"

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 Azreal13 wrote:
Lol, did you just post in a GW thread and feel the need to add a qualifier to "John Blanche?"


Yeah, given hes in every issue of White Dwarf...that was a bit redundant.

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The contrast seems to really suit his style, it even looks a bit smoother than usual. Am looking forward to using the variety of browns on my ASOIAF Freefolk, at least as a good base. Any metals, skin and the like will be used over the top of it using standard paint.

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Well reserved wraith bone spray and blood angel red(I think that was the name). Going to try bloodletters with these. I have daemon army start so they are perfect quinea pigs for thee.

More than that after I come from Japan. Just want bit of try out before that to see with my own eyes how it works.

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tneva82 wrote:
Well reserved wraith bone spray and blood angel red(I think that was the name). Going to try bloodletters with these. I have daemon army start so they are perfect quinea pigs for thee.

More than that after I come from Japan. Just want bit of try out before that to see with my own eyes how it works.


You on holiday to Japan? Always wanted to go there. Hope you enjoy it!

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 Albertorius wrote:
I... isn't that what the gloss washes already do? Maybe a bit darker in the recesses, I guess?

I've used Vallejo Glaze Medium to do stuff similar to the second application myself.


Washes do weird things for me. The gloss washes suck in my experience so far as well.

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Order sent and in the end went with Wraithbone and Iyanden Yellow for Imperial Fist armour. Grey just didn't make sense, so I gave it a pass.

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'Experimenting With Contrast Paints - Painting Flesh' by Pete the Wargamer:



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 Ghaz wrote:
'Experimenting With Contrast Paints - Painting Flesh' by Pete the Wargamer:




Odd video. The first one (before he massively thinned it down with medium) looks the best to my eyes- there is too much undercoat showing through on the later ones. Except the one he just globbed piles of brown on, of course.

For the second one, the problem wasn't the recesses (which are too dark after painting them directly with a darker color), it was the highlights, which seemed mostly to be a result of 50% medium.

The red faced one just looks like a lot of red daubed on the face. I could almost see what he was going for with the grey (though its too smooth and shiny for a 'stubble' effect), but it didn't mesh at all with the red.


Its an interesting experiment, but more along the lines of 'how not to use contrast paints'

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I agree. I think his ones with the thinned medium look too washed out and the shading too stark. And the red splotchy face could easily be a zombie painting guide it's got so much grey and blood red going on.

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 TwilightSparkles wrote:
 RedizDead wrote:
Guys I ordered a bunch of Bloodletters, and want to contrast them to speed the painting up.
Which contrast colors would you use? And not just for the flesh.
Thanks for your help


Depends on choice but the id say fleshtearer red , black Templar , skeleton bone would cover you, possibly blood angel red for two tones on the body.


Yeah that sounds good thank mate!
How to deal with metallics with contrast? Classic leadbelcher or something in the new range my be usefull?
   
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Nice vid of Ash just painting normally and incorporating Contrast as a wash where it makes sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0xmiLDvj2o

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Voss wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
'Experimenting With Contrast Paints - Painting Flesh' by Pete the Wargamer:




Odd video. The first one (before he massively thinned it down with medium) looks the best to my eyes- there is too much undercoat showing through on the later ones. Except the one he just globbed piles of brown on, of course.

For the second one, the problem wasn't the recesses (which are too dark after painting them directly with a darker color), it was the highlights, which seemed mostly to be a result of 50% medium.

The red faced one just looks like a lot of red daubed on the face. I could almost see what he was going for with the grey (though it too smooth and shiny for a 'stubble' effect), but it didn't mesh at all with the red.


Its an interesting experiment, but more along the lines of 'how not to use contrast paints'
Yeah, the first one with a little bit more brush control to get the paint where it needs to go is what I would expect from contrast, quick with a bit of shade and highlight.
Second one is diluted to far, third is too thick and the red on the forth just didn't work out.
   
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That Richard Gray guy that was posted earlier is playing around with Contrast paints again.

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByiyLx1BQqX/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByoF_raB3CR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

At that point (several highlights, NMM) the boingrot is basically useless to see any Contrast effec I think, but the BoN is interesting, because it has Contrast over Contrast as a tint/filter painted and airbrushed on. And Contrast highlighted with Contrast tone plus Wraithbone.

Basically "One thick coat" is the least interesting thing you can do with it, though of course that is what GW promotes.

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Just had a read of Blanche's assessment of contrast paints, I know he's inclined to be positive about the paints but the browns and yellows he's used actually would make me consider trying a similarly styled army. Good stuff.

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 Binabik15 wrote:
That Richard Gray guy that was posted earlier is playing around with Contrast paints again.

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByiyLx1BQqX/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByoF_raB3CR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

At that point (several highlights, NMM) the boingrot is basically useless to see any Contrast effec I think, but the BoN is interesting, because it has Contrast over Contrast as a tint/filter painted and airbrushed on. And Contrast highlighted with Contrast tone plus Wraithbone.

Basically "One thick coat" is the least interesting thing you can do with it, though of course that is what GW promotes.
It makes sense for GW to market the product to the masses that can barely paint their models and for who a highlight and shade is already great rather then for the 0.001% who can reach this level of quality.
   
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 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Just had a read of Blanche's assessment of contrast paints, I know he's inclined to be positive about the paints but the browns and yellows he's used actually would make me consider trying a similarly styled army. Good stuff.


It certainly gave me the impression that the new Nighthaunt models actually look good with a proper color scheme.

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 Ordana wrote:
 Binabik15 wrote:
That Richard Gray guy that was posted earlier is playing around with Contrast paints again.

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByiyLx1BQqX/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByoF_raB3CR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

At that point (several highlights, NMM) the boingrot is basically useless to see any Contrast effec I think, but the BoN is interesting, because it has Contrast over Contrast as a tint/filter painted and airbrushed on. And Contrast highlighted with Contrast tone plus Wraithbone.

Basically "One thick coat" is the least interesting thing you can do with it, though of course that is what GW promotes.

It makes sense for GW to market the product to the masses that can barely paint their models and for who a highlight and shade is already great rather then for the 0.001% who can reach this level of quality.


They do have videos and WD articles featuring more advanced techniques, though. They could promote Contrast with a wider range of applications than the sloppy Intercessor video. Take that video (from Pete?) where the Ridgerunner is getting pretty nice weathering done with Contrast and highlight this use case as well. Show colours using additive mixing by layering yellow over blue to get green where they overlap thanks to the transparency,

I mean, apparently they're already selling well enough, but they sit on months or years of experimentation with those paints, show what crazy effects they can give outside of "basecoat with a wash and sort of a highlight".

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 Geifer wrote:
 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Just had a read of Blanche's assessment of contrast paints, I know he's inclined to be positive about the paints but the browns and yellows he's used actually would make me consider trying a similarly styled army. Good stuff.


It certainly gave me the impression that the new Nighthaunt models actually look good with a proper color scheme.

Mud on mud is a proper color scheme?

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Voss wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
'Experimenting With Contrast Paints - Painting Flesh' by Pete the Wargamer:




Odd video. The first one (before he massively thinned it down with medium) looks the best to my eyes- there is too much undercoat showing through on the later ones. Except the one he just globbed piles of brown on, of course.

For the second one, the problem wasn't the recesses (which are too dark after painting them directly with a darker color), it was the highlights, which seemed mostly to be a result of 50% medium.

The red faced one just looks like a lot of red daubed on the face. I could almost see what he was going for with the grey (though its too smooth and shiny for a 'stubble' effect), but it didn't mesh at all with the red.


Its an interesting experiment, but more along the lines of 'how not to use contrast paints'


I don't know, I think Pete is doing something wrong with his Contrast paints. His results all look very patchy, I guess he applies it too thinly so the medium can't do it's magic.

This video showcases the flesh tones much better with much smoother results:


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Voss wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Just had a read of Blanche's assessment of contrast paints, I know he's inclined to be positive about the paints but the browns and yellows he's used actually would make me consider trying a similarly styled army. Good stuff.


It certainly gave me the impression that the new Nighthaunt models actually look good with a proper color scheme.

Mud on mud is a proper color scheme?


Yes.

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 Geifer wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Just had a read of Blanche's assessment of contrast paints, I know he's inclined to be positive about the paints but the browns and yellows he's used actually would make me consider trying a similarly styled army. Good stuff.


It certainly gave me the impression that the new Nighthaunt models actually look good with a proper color scheme.

Mud on mud is a proper color scheme?


Yes.


Eh, while it would be interesting to read how he achieve the effect of some of the different sections in the close ups, you really need to consider how it would look on the tabletop. An army painted like that would be an undifferentiated swirl of Browns, with lots of lost detail (even more so than the unzoomed images in that article, because IRL they won't be in front of a white background). GW minis are really designed for color schemes that contrast at least a little bit.

A miniature really isn't a Rembrandt where people are supposed to sit for several hours doing art appreciation things. Ideally the paint should help identify the model, not hide its identity (even as a side effect)

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Looks at unpainted AT Knights.........

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