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 Xenomancers wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
Theres nothing to stop a deathstar DG unit from getting a 5+ FNP another way and it really starts to get stupid.

Well, nothing stops them, except of course there not being a way to give DG units a 5+ FNP.

Pretty sure there is a way to do it.

As usual, you are absolutely wrong. No stratagem or aura or psychic power or warlord trait that can affect either nurgle daemons or heretic astartes in general or death guard gives them the ability to ignore damage, except for the disgustingly resilient rule.

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Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
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 Jidmah wrote:
 Xenomancers wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
Theres nothing to stop a deathstar DG unit from getting a 5+ FNP another way and it really starts to get stupid.

Well, nothing stops them, except of course there not being a way to give DG units a 5+ FNP.

Pretty sure there is a way to do it.

As usual, you are absolutely wrong. No stratagem or aura or psychic power or warlord trait that can affect either nurgle daemons or heretic astartes in general or death guard gives them the ability to ignore damage, except for the disgustingly resilient rule.

Disgustingly Resilient is the only way for Nurgle to get FNP, correct. Heretic Astartes can get a 6+ FNP though but that requires a psychic power and for the unit to be Slaanesh. I personally believe we keep our current Disgustingly Resilient rules though since every time I encounter the -1 to wound rumor no source is ever given beyond "some forum/fb/insta post", it's 2W cult marines for PA all over again.

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 CKO wrote:
I literally want to cry about tactical marines getting 2 wounds. You have no idea how many times I have thought about selling my marines. I was even thinking about going pure Xenos!


I definatly think Marines are going to feel like the small elite strike teams whom the mear presence of a hundred can change the course of a battle

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BrianDavion wrote:
I definatly think Marines are going to feel like the small elite strike teams whom the mear presence of a hundred can change the course of a battle
...and a hundred you may have.

...given how cheap those "elite strike teams are"...
   
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RedNoak wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
I definatly think Marines are going to feel like the small elite strike teams whom the mear presence of a hundred can change the course of a battle
...and a hundred you may have.

...given how cheap those "elite strike teams are"...


18+ PPM is cheap?



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BrianDavion wrote:
RedNoak wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
I definatly think Marines are going to feel like the small elite strike teams whom the mear presence of a hundred can change the course of a battle
...and a hundred you may have.

...given how cheap those "elite strike teams are"...


18+ PPM is cheap?




I mean, it's 1 for every 2 Kabalite Warriors. And I know which of those I'd rather have.

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 the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"

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GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.


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You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

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BrianDavion wrote:
 CKO wrote:
I literally want to cry about tactical marines getting 2 wounds. You have no idea how many times I have thought about selling my marines. I was even thinking about going pure Xenos!


I definatly think Marines are going to feel like the small elite strike teams whom the mear presence of a hundred can change the course of a battle

Now if we can only have csm feel like ancient terrors from the age of legend whom the mear presence of a hundred can strike abject terror in the forces of the cursed Imperium, including those thin blooded so called "astartes " when they strike from the very heart of hell.
   
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 vipoid wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
RedNoak wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
I definatly think Marines are going to feel like the small elite strike teams whom the mear presence of a hundred can change the course of a battle
...and a hundred you may have.

...given how cheap those "elite strike teams are"...


18+ PPM is cheap?




I mean, it's 1 for every 2 Kabalite Warriors. And I know which of those I'd rather have.

Kalabites aren't good without their transport though.

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BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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I've been searching forever. Wasn't there a post in this thread with the necron command protocols?
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
RedNoak wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
I definatly think Marines are going to feel like the small elite strike teams whom the mear presence of a hundred can change the course of a battle
...and a hundred you may have.

...given how cheap those "elite strike teams are"...


18+ PPM is cheap?




Compared to what they have and related to others, yes.

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tneva82 wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
RedNoak wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
I definatly think Marines are going to feel like the small elite strike teams whom the mear presence of a hundred can change the course of a battle
...and a hundred you may have.

...given how cheap those "elite strike teams are"...


18+ PPM is cheap?




Compared to what they have and related to others, yes.


umm no dude, he's not talking about points efficancy, his exact words where "and you may have a hundred of them given how cheap they are"

to have a hundred tactical marines in a 2000 point game?

you'd literally have only 200 points to spend on well.. ANYTHING else. it's utterly absurb. so let's try to take our "I hate space marines" whining to another thread and not see, yet another news and rumors thread hijacked by the "anti marine brigade" that hijacked ya know.. every psykic awakening thread eh?

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BrianDavion wrote:
RedNoak wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
I definatly think Marines are going to feel like the small elite strike teams whom the mear presence of a hundred can change the course of a battle
...and a hundred you may have.

...given how cheap those "elite strike teams are"...


18+ PPM is cheap?


I do think so, because in the end you are buying units, not models. For 90 points you get a pretty decent infantry unit that takes some fire to remove and can fight and shoot reasonably well.
To get something in that ballpark I would have to at least put a 90 point units of boyz into 65 point trukk.

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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. 
   
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 Overread wrote:
To be fair their entire year's worth of releases has been royally messed by Corona. We don't even know how smooth things are running behind the scenes and it might be that releases are being shifted around a lot behind the scenes. Sons of Bahamat already feels like they started marketing for an earlier release and then moved it.

GW might also be reacting to the news and the potential for the north (where GW are) getting even tighter lockdowns in the UK. So GW might have pushed sons on one week to try and get Necrons and Marines out a week early etc...


Not to mention we've no idea how shipments are for them; both in terms of getting material in and getting material out. Already we've seen the likes of Black Library have several months where they clearly slowed down dramatically in releases and appear to only now be getting back up to speed.

You can bet originally this month would have likely been wave 2/3 or whatever of the necron/marine release or even have them out fully and be the supplements or another codex etc..

Exactly. For example I noticed when looking in my Lumineth book yesterday in the points section that it said at the top “these points changes are accurate at time of writing in April and override all earlier publications” or some such. Point being that means Lumineth were originally due April not September.
Will be interesting to see if there’s some mention of a month in the SM or Cron dexes

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So, just to be clear, with the Sautekh Dynasty code, I assume that the new Warriors weapon, the Gauss Reaper, doesn't magically increase to 18", but that at 14" it's always rapid firing?

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 Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:
So, just to be clear, with the Sautekh Dynasty code, I assume that the new Warriors weapon doesn't magically increase to 18", but that at 14" it's always rapid firing?


Lol this needs an faq. If it does go to 18” rapid fire sautekh will become the gauss reaper faction.
   
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It doesn't increase the range of the gun, only the range at which Rapid fire can be used.

I don't see why it would need an FAQ.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It doesn't increase the range of the gun, only the range at which Rapid fire can be used.

I don't see why it would need an FAQ.


I think its pretty obvious if you think about it, but its the sort of thing that gets one line in a FAQ.

Tbh I continue to think its strange that the Reapers just jump to "always have 2 shots when in range" - but then I guess this is intentional.
   
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Tyel wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It doesn't increase the range of the gun, only the range at which Rapid fire can be used.

I don't see why it would need an FAQ.


I think its pretty obvious if you think about it, but its the sort of thing that gets one line in a FAQ.

Tbh I continue to think its strange that the Reapers just jump to "always have 2 shots when in range" - but then I guess this is intentional.


It's not that different from bolter drill when you think about it.

7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. 
   
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I feel like the protocols will depend on how easy it is to access characters. If we're limited to the 3 or so HQ in a standard detachment, that could be worrisome. If there's some sort of Royal Court that is multiple models that split up but only take one Force Org slot, or if there are some decent Elite choices for lieutenant type characters, it could be okay.

I also worry about Invasion Beamers. I like using Night Scythes to get my troops around. But if I can't beam down the unit and the character leading the unit in the same turn...
   
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Necrons used to have a royal court unit, consisting of Crypteks and “Lords” (contrast Overlords and Phaerons) which were mid level characters. At the time they basically existed to be extra voidblades or staff of light shots which is one reason they got dropped but now they would have a purpose again I can see them coming back.
Or maybe a two-for-one slot level arrangement at HQ for Wardens and others like Nemesors?

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Why does Sautek need an FAQ? It doesn't say 'increase all weapons' minimum ranges to 18". In addition instead of following the normal rapid fire rules, models with this dynastic code make double the number of shots if the target is within 18" of the firing model'.

It just says 'units with this dynastic code make double the number of shots if the target unit is within 18"'. It's pretty obvious that the target must be both in range AND within 18" for the benefit to apply. Just another example of a player created rules problem.

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Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Why does Sautek need an FAQ?

Because if it end up being a frequently asked question, they should answer it.
What it doesn't need is errata.
   
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 Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:
Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Why does Sautek need an FAQ?

Because if it end up being a frequently asked question, they should answer it.
What it doesn't need is errata.


Yeah, this has been asked a lot on the Necron Discord as well. They should FAQ it. The intention is clear, but it still gets asked a lot. No reason not to clarify it.

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I'd still say leave it a few days before gathering questions for an FAQ - sometimes people just need a few days to actually think about something not just go with a confused gut reaction.

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 Overread wrote:
I'd still say leave it a few days before gathering questions for an FAQ - sometimes people just need a few days to actually think about something not just go with a confused gut reaction.


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Most reasonable people would apply common sense to such a situation. But this is Dakka Dakka, home to people who claimed you couldn't fire Assault weapons after Advancing.

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This isn't just a Dakka Dakka phenomenon, unfortunately.

It's an "I don't want it to work this way" phenomenon.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
This isn't just a Dakka Dakka phenomenon, unfortunately.

It's an "I don't want it to work this way" phenomenon.


It's more a case that as everything is new people are overexcited, rushing the reading and then thinking the rule works how they want it rather than how its described. It's just over excitement and not reading things through more than once before people react. It happens all the time and given a few days and someone saying "you numpty go read it properly" most will sort itself out without being an issue.

You get the same reaction from people looking for problems or issues or thinking something is underpowered. Again they are often reading what they think is written rather than what is actually written.


Again give it till the book is out and people have read it and played with it (or at least read it since corona and all).

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