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 flaherty wrote:
My biggest hope relative to this problem is that they include advance ordering for limited releases as part of Warhammer+. Treat it like Amazon Prime where membership has its privileges, free 2-day shipping in the case of Amazon, not having to spend your Saturday afternoon in a queue to buy toy soldiers for Warhammer+.

So you hope that they make customers to pay in order to even have a chance to buy their products? How about no?

   
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ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Looks like they put their production into overdrive for Dominion over this. It makes sense for the launch box (or whatever they call it) of a new edition of their 2nd most popular game when going against the release of a single faction starter box for a 40k army. Then again from a business point of view the Beast Snagga box *should* have a far greater profit margin than Dominion (maybe the Codex lowers that margin?). I just hope they can learn from this kind of release.


They have learned. This isn't a 'how will this work out?' release. This is the result of previous releases with the same strategy.

The only 'lesson' GW is likely to take from this (and the last several years) is eldar and daemon focused boxes don't sell out, therefor they should be lesser priority. [Which is nonsense, but a conclusion easily reached with their current approach]

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ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Looks like they put their production into overdrive for Dominion over this. It makes sense for the launch box (or whatever they call it) of a new edition of their 2nd most popular game when going against the release of a single faction starter box for a 40k army.


That's very likely the case. There was a lot of backlash about Indomitus selling out so quickly that GW had to divert resources into Made To Order copies last year, likely delaying / reducing stock for other stuff in early 2021. Rather than make the same mistake again, it would have made sense to increase Dominion production quotas to ensure they didn't sell out in minutes.

Unfortunately sales forecasting can often be more of an art than a science, and there's a limit to how much you can predict the future 12+ months out. It's very easy for people on Internet forums to see what actually sells best afterwards and make posts claiming "GW should have produced more of X and less of Y". It's about as useful as someone telling you the winning lottery numbers after the draw has taken place.
   
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 flaherty wrote:
My biggest hope relative to this problem is that they include advance ordering for limited releases as part of Warhammer+. Treat it like Amazon Prime where membership has its privileges, free 2-day shipping in the case of Amazon, not having to spend your Saturday afternoon in a queue to buy toy soldiers for Warhammer+.

The 'privilege' of your membership is the 'free' model you get.

Besides, it's not as if these scalpers are random Joes. If they're keeping up with releases and know how popular things will be, odds are they're the type of people who'll be subscribed to Warhammer+ anyway. That, and putting down £5 when you'll make a £75+ profit off people desperate to burn a hole in their pocket is nothing. It'd not stop scalpers and it'd just anger people with no interest in subscribing to +.
   
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 Crimson wrote:
 flaherty wrote:
My biggest hope relative to this problem is that they include advance ordering for limited releases as part of Warhammer+. Treat it like Amazon Prime where membership has its privileges, free 2-day shipping in the case of Amazon, not having to spend your Saturday afternoon in a queue to buy toy soldiers for Warhammer+.

So you hope that they make customers to pay in order to even have a chance to buy their products? How about no?


The best part is that multiple WH+ subscriptions wouldn't even cost enough to prevent scalpers. It would only take one or two releases per year to break even, and the rest are guaranteed sales.
   
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 xttz wrote:
The best part is that multiple WH+ subscriptions wouldn't even cost enough to prevent scalpers. It would only take one or two releases per year to break even, and the rest are guaranteed sales.

Frankly, I bet scalpers will get + anyway to grab the big, flashy, limited minis. They would be stupid not to.
   
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 xttz wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
 flaherty wrote:
My biggest hope relative to this problem is that they include advance ordering for limited releases as part of Warhammer+. Treat it like Amazon Prime where membership has its privileges, free 2-day shipping in the case of Amazon, not having to spend your Saturday afternoon in a queue to buy toy soldiers for Warhammer+.

So you hope that they make customers to pay in order to even have a chance to buy their products? How about no?


The best part is that multiple WH+ subscriptions wouldn't even cost enough to prevent scalpers. It would only take one or two releases per year to break even, and the rest are guaranteed sales.


Sure, but there are only a few of these guaranteed sell-out boxes a year. It would dampen profits dramatically.

Introducing any amount of friction will level the playing field and give more folks a chance to get the product they want.

I agree, fans shouldn't have to pay solely for the privilege to buy other products, but a right of first refusal for any limited edition products would be a nice addition to the overall offering and would be my personal #1 wish list item for the service.
   
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So there are approximately 4000 games stores that sell GW products worldwide. And an additional 400 GW stores. Plus they sold so many copies online...

So what do you think the odds are they produced over 20,000 copies worldwide?
   
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 alextroy wrote:
 streetsamurai wrote:
Well, GW is not exactly a pop and mom company. It's a big publically trade one. Their goal should be to maximize their profit (to a certain extent of course). It's obvious that they leave a lot of money on the table, for god knows what reason. I could understand if it was a AOS or Specialist release, but is there a 40k box in the last few years that hasn't sold out in less than a day?


It's pretty obvious that they keep the number produced on these boxes ridiculously low, and it would be interesting to hear why from the execs (which theyll never do unfortunately)
Is it more profitable to sell more discount bundles or to prime the pump and then release the same models unbundled at a higher combined price point? I'm not saying that is their strategy, but you have to think about it.


It's a balance. I'm not going to pay GW's higher price, but I might pay their bundle price. So if I can't get their bundle, the money they make off me goes from "some" to "none".

Personally, I think it has more to do with GW having less production capacity than the market demands. They just can't churn out enough of the new stuff and the old stuff to make more of these launch kits. Instead, they accept that they will sell out lightning fast and leave it to the customer to find a discount pack or purchase the kits separately. Not nice, but they only have so much production time.


If GW are suffering from production capacity issues (which all evidence points to that being the case) I would have guessed they'd want to maximise profits from each SKU and slow down their release cycle rather than trying to keep the same pace of release but selling out consistently.

Like, instead of selling out of Belakor one Saturday then selling out of Cursed City the next Saturday, make more Belakors and push Cursed City back a week.

Making new products is time consuming and expensive and maybe one day you run out of ideas, so ideally you want to milk each one for what it's worth.
   
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I don’t like these ridiculous scramble releases any more than the rest of you, but at least in this case the contents are all going to be released separately.

It’s when they pull this same nonsense with stuff that doesn’t get a separate release that really gets my goat.

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 Zed wrote:
*All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
 
   
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I'm not sure about FOMO - I think its just about value proposition of the bundle.

Consider for instance the Lumineth exclusive, which I think you can still find lurking in certain stores to this day.

On a sort of mental count:
Army Book - £25.
Spearmen - £35.
Knights - £35
Eltharion - £20
So you are only getting £115 worth of stuff for... £110 pounds. Okay flash forward to actual RRP and there's another £12~ on that and I guess you get some dice and cards, but its still only £125-130 for £110.

Hopefully you can see this box is comparably going nowhere fast. Its not desirable for scalpers or for stock breakers. If you are even vaguely "so so" on any of these contents (say you loved the Spearmen but could take or leave Eltharion) the box ceases to be a value proposition.

Lets do a similar count here.
20 Snagga Boyz - hopefully going to be £35 for 10. I suspect they will be more (i.e. at least £36.5, could be £39.5), but lets call it £70 for now.
A codex: £30.
Zodgrod: £20.
Nob on Squig: £25.
Squighog boyz - probably near £40.

So that's: 70+30+20+25+40=£185 for £125. Be a bit more realistic/pessimistic on GW's likely pricing (or say the cards etc are worth "something") and we are talking £190-200.

Which means this is a great deal for anyone - be it regular buyers, stockbreakers or out and out scalpers. I could for instance take or leave Zodgrod - but he's not integral to the value proposition. I could say he's worthless, discount the Nob on Squig to say £15 and its still looking like a reasonable deal if I'd ever want to buy these models in the future.

This is also I think why things like Blood of the Phoenix didn't sell. Partly that was the consumers underestimating just what GW would want RRP for the 12 "new" models (a more polite way of saying GW's pricing is bananas) - but also I think severely discounting the ancient stock in the box because this stock is available via ebay and elsewhere for a fraction of that RRP.
   
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The Nob and Squigboyz are the same kit. He's not a separate release.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Nob and Squigboyz are the same kit. He's not a separate release.

This is not correct, they are seperate kits. Wrong, see below.

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 Darnok wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Nob and Squigboyz are the same kit. He's not a separate release.

This is not correct, they are seperate kits.


Then please, show us the separate sprues for them.

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They look separate. But, the face for the Bomb Squig is on the Nobz’ sprue, the rest of the little fella on one of of them Mobs’ sprue.

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Darnok wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Nob and Squigboyz are the same kit. He's not a separate release.

This is not correct, they are seperate kits.


Then please, show us the separate sprues for them.

The product description of the Beastsnagga box states:
The set includes the following multipart plastic miniatures:

- 1x Zodgrod Wortsnagga (supplied with a Citadel 50mm Round Base)
- 1x Nob on Smasha Squig (supplied with a Citadel 90x52.5mm Oval Base Round Base)
- 3x Squighog Boyz (each supplied with a Citadel 75x41.5mm Round Base)
- 1x Bomb Squig (supplied with a Citadel 25mm Round Base)
- 20x Beast Snagga Boyz (each supplied with a Citadel 32mm Round Base)


The sprues shown work out for a single warboss model...
Spoiler:


... and two squig riders.
Spoiler:


Yes, I am aware of how those images are named on the GW page (i.e. "BeastsnaggaHogbouzSprue 1 and 2"), but one shows the boss, and lacks any parts used in the other three models, and the other shares nothing with the boss. There is also obviously a sprue missing, for the ones shown do not build all models.

Putting all this together it is more likely that the boss is a seperate model, and the sprues shown are mislabelled (and missing a pic). It would not be the first time.

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They look separate. But, the face for the Bomb Squig is on the Nobz’ sprue, the rest of the little fella on one of of them Mobs’ sprue.


The Nobz' sprue is missing one of the legs for his Squig, which i'd say is somewhat more important

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Well, I could be wrong of course. Time will tell.
   
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 Darnok wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Darnok wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Nob and Squigboyz are the same kit. He's not a separate release.

This is not correct, they are seperate kits.


Then please, show us the separate sprues for them.

The product description of the Beastsnagga box states:
The set includes the following multipart plastic miniatures:

- 1x Nob on Smasha Squig (supplied with a Citadel 90x52.5mm Oval Base Round Base)

The sprues shown work out for a single warboss model...
Spoiler:





And that sprue is missing the legs for the Smasha Squig (it only has two left legs, without feet, and a small part of the right leg). Those missing parts, however, are located on one of the Hogboyz' sprues.
[Thumb - 60010103001_BeastsnaggaFeature2ALT2.png]

[Thumb - 60010103001_BeastsnaggaHogboyzSprue3.png]

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Games Workshop are not your friends. They are not a small dev trying their best. They are a multibillion dollar company making calculated decisions about how many costs they can cut, how lazy they can be about relases, and how much they can paywall. They will do it again. Stop giving them money for this. 
   
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Yeah, the third sprue is up there, and there are parts for the Nob on the unit, and the unit's bomb squig with the Nob.

Plus, the five models are in a nice unit shot together.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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I mean its kind of academic.
I took the descriptions (and unit entries) to mean they were separate but agree on close inspection some stuff seems scattered across all the sprues, and it seems unlikely GW would cut whole new sprues for a full separate release. (Unless they go ahead and do exactly that in 6~ months time).

So you might save a bit less.

Because surely GW wouldn't charge you £65 a box.
Right?
Right....?
   
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I suspect they're listed individually as they might be different unit entries in the book?

It's a bit odd either way, I'll grant you that.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army... 
   
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 Phobos wrote:


It is astounding how time after time, they do the same thing and people are surprised by it. Its like dealing with battered wives, "but this time its going to be different!".

Jesus Christ did you seriously just compare some people not being able to buy a box of toy spacemen at a discount to domestic abuse? Get a fething grip you weirdo.
   
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Apparently I was wrong. Thanks for setting it right!
   
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So have the eagle eyed sprue hunters managed to figure out how many build options the Snagga Boyz sprues have?
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
So have the eagle eyed sprue hunters managed to figure out how many build options the Snagga Boyz sprues have?


Well lets say that I would not be suprised if the same guy that designed Death Marine kit was also the same one that made the Snagga boyz.
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
So have the eagle eyed sprue hunters managed to figure out how many build options the Snagga Boyz sprues have?


Currently we are praying that at least the loose arms have the same shoulder joins

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
So have the eagle eyed sprue hunters managed to figure out how many build options the Snagga Boyz sprues have?


From what I could tell, the Nob has a melee option or two, and there is a single thump gun amid the sluggas and choppas.
   
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Commisar Marbh wrote:
 Lord of Deeds wrote:
So the queue time estimate was totally bogus. Actually ended up being 23 minutes from the original 3 minutes. What a waste of time.

Wonder how long GW can continue with the bad feels they create with these types of releases.
]\

I would hope they look at this as cash left on the table and change their practices.



They look at money they gain from selling same stuff at no discount later.


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 streetsamurai wrote:
It's incredible that they haven't learn from the past and make more of these boxes. They always seems to sell out in less than a hour


Uuuhh...they have learned. They are doing this because it brings 'em more ££££££££.

You assume their goal is to sell at discount to everybody. Rather than sell at full price for most.


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 streetsamurai wrote:
Well, GW is not exactly a pop and mom company. It's a big publically trade one. Their goal should be to maximize their profit (to a certain extent of course). It's obvious that they leave a lot of money on the table, for god knows what reason. I could understand if it was a AOS or Specialist release, but is there a 40k box in the last few years that hasn't sold out in less than a day?


It's pretty obvious that they keep the number produced on these boxes ridiculously low, and it would be interesting to hear why from the execs (which theyll never do unfortunately)


It's simple. Because it's DISCOUNT box. Repeat that after me. DISCOUNT box. It means it's got DISCOUNT. Now we can be pretty safe to assume cost to produce box doesn't go down for GW because it's DISCOUNT box so that DISCOUNT has to come from somewhere. Since customers pay less for the DISCOUNT box and expenses stay same the difference comes from GW profit margin. Ergo they don't want to sell the DISCOUNT box for everybody to the point they won't sell the full kit at full price.

Why sell X for 70 when you can sell X for 100?

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