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asimo77 wrote:So with what has happened to the C'tan is the Void Dragon being on Mars still a thing? Mars being this potential crisis zone was always a neat idea, but now that we have the whole shards thing going is it really much of threat?

And for a more practical question: Anyone know the situation with the rods? It would be a shame to have a whole Battleforce worth of rods that don't mix with the new ones. Are the current rods easy to paint over, because I probably want to mimic the new look.

Dont think they are using rods no more.

snake wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I love the cover art. Not sure where the guy behind the Overlord's torso has vanished to though.

+1 to this. Looks nice and gritty and grimdark as it should be.

And I think the torso is hidden by that pillar of orange light. It is kind of odd looking though...who knew light could be so opaque?

Yet you can see the monolith in the background through the top of the beam. The fact that his arm/leg are gone and the bizarre lack of detail around picture and the weird single tone of the weapon glow make me think that the picture is incomplete although that would make no sense as it was released in a newsletter.

I feel like asking the Necron at the left edge of the picture "Why the long face?"

Seriously, his chin is below his neckline.

Molten Butter wrote:I feel like asking the Necron at the left edge of the picture "Why the long face?"

Seriously, his chin is below his neckline.

It's looks more like a very top of a glaive. Though I can imagine the long face too. "Forever alone"

Harriticus wrote:

asimo77 wrote:So with what has happened to the C'tan is the Void Dragon being on Mars still a thing? Mars being this potential crisis zone was always a neat idea, but now that we have the whole shards thing going is it really much of threat?

Not important anymore, basically out of the fluff. The Necrons have killed or enslaved the C'tan and won't be resurrecting him. They also won't be making any more moves on the Imperium, for mankind and the greater galaxy the threat of the Necrons is over. They'll be too busy trading knowledge the AdMec to storm Mars.

I wouldn't say it's necessarily out of the fluff. Based on what I'm hearing, it just sounds to me that these powerful entities that we've been seeing on the battlefield as The Deceiver and the Nightbringer and that may be trapped on Mars aren't the C'Tan as we thought that they were, but are just the Shards that we're hearing about now. I mean, it's always been kind of bogus to say that a Necron God would traipse around on a battlefield while Khorne or Tzeentch or Khaine would not. The C'Tan we knew and loved previously were, shall we say, Avatars, like the Eldars'. That's all the shards are - Avatars that only have a portion of the C'Tan's original power. As far as the Dragon being trapped on Mars, maybe it's just one of the more powerful shards that the IoM has managed to keep imprisoned.

Swara wrote:

Molten Butter wrote:I feel like asking the Necron at the left edge of the picture "Why the long face?"
Seriously, his chin is below his neckline.

It's looks more like a very top of a glaive. Though I can imagine the long face too. "Forever alone"

As said, it's the shield. Art got cut off.

I think I preferred the old cover art, the greens were colder, more chilling.

I like how the old flayed ones have been removed from stock. What about 'collectors' models eh? No?

No, you can now only have the new ones. Which NO ONE likes more than the old. Just like the Daemonettes, to save the customers anything troubling like 'choice' they take the older, superior models away. Unless you want Space Marines, loads of them in the 'collectors' section.

Kroot, do you know if the lychguard and praetorians come in one box?

Wow- That artwork is sick! It is reminicent of the other cover artworks so who knows? It would make a great cover and completly blows the piss out of the old one and most of the depictions of the necrons.

I like the way they have make them seem more Epic. I.e like a Space Empire/ Kingdom very grand and ambitious in wanting to take on the Imperium and achieve other goals. This is much better than the old lore for them basically being Destroy, Destroy, Destroy...

You have done very well Mr Kroothawk and cheers for all the updates as a Necron player I am vey much looking forward to all this. Most of all the rulebook I think.

If I was a chief MOD I would bestow on you the Rank of.... CHAMPION!!!

Death By Monkeys wrote:

Harriticus wrote:

asimo77 wrote:So with what has happened to the C'tan is the Void Dragon being on Mars still a thing? Mars being this potential crisis zone was always a neat idea, but now that we have the whole shards thing going is it really much of threat?

Not important anymore, basically out of the fluff. The Necrons have killed or enslaved the C'tan and won't be resurrecting him. They also won't be making any more moves on the Imperium, for mankind and the greater galaxy the threat of the Necrons is over. They'll be too busy trading knowledge the AdMec to storm Mars.

I wouldn't say it's necessarily out of the fluff. Based on what I'm hearing, it just sounds to me that these powerful entities that we've been seeing on the battlefield as The Deceiver and the Nightbringer and that may be trapped on Mars aren't the C'Tan as we thought that they were, but are just the Shards that we're hearing about now. I mean, it's always been kind of bogus to say that a Necron God would traipse around on a battlefield while Khorne or Tzeentch or Khaine would not. The C'Tan we knew and loved previously were, shall we say, Avatars, like the Eldars'. That's all the shards are - Avatars that only have a portion of the C'Tan's original power. As far as the Dragon being trapped on Mars, maybe it's just one of the more powerful shards that the IoM has managed to keep imprisoned.

+1

It legitifies bringing them on the battlefield

it also explains how the hell a young emporer could be lie O HAI IM BEATING YOU UP NOW!

anybody seen this yet? Makes me excited for the triarch walker. Supposedly "scorpionesque"

I sense a slight Egyptian theme....

haha but hopefully the real thing looks better than that

Im kinda hoping the rods replacing the green ones were just put there to take the place of the old ones until they could get them produced. far hope, but still a hope

JohnnoM wrote:

JohnnoM wrote:I'm not a big fan of the new "cover art". Too much red in my opinion.
Plus I was wondering, somewhere in Yak's post it said that Triarch and Lychguard came in the same box, is that true?
Also, do one of the HQ choices make any Elites or Heavy Support or Fast Attack into Troops?

anyone got an answer?

As far as I can remember one of yak face's posts said he hasn't read anything about F.O.C swaps for any models. So nothing has come out so far.

and yes preatorians/lychs are supposed to be in the same box.

Still no response to my question from a couple/few pages ago: Do resurrection protocols restore multi-wound models at full strength, partial strength, or just a single wound remaining?

tetrisphreak wrote:Still no response to my question from a couple/few pages ago: Do resurrection protocols restore multi-wound models at full strength, partial strength, or just a single wound remaining?

Phylactery was the only thing that did that in the old codex. and i haven't read anything alluding to multi wound restore,so just phylactery. if it is still there

It just dawned on me that the new Flayed Ones' poses remind me an awful lot of this scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv-sKP17xTw&feature=related

Just watch the first 30 seconds and compare to their poses.

...or maybe I'm just crazy.

yes, sir. you are crazy

Hammer18 wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:Still no response to my question from a couple/few pages ago: Do resurrection protocols restore multi-wound models at full strength, partial strength, or just a single wound remaining?

Phylactery was the only thing that did that in the old codex. and i haven't read anything alluding to multi wound restore,so just phylactery. if it is still there

I read somewhere... not sure if it was here or W.S. or H.O. or somewhere else but I believe that multi wound models only have their last wound restored.
Can someone confirm?

Delta Echo wrote:

Hammer18 wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:Still no response to my question from a couple/few pages ago: Do resurrection protocols restore multi-wound models at full strength, partial strength, or just a single wound remaining?

Phylactery was the only thing that did that in the old codex. and i haven't read anything alluding to multi wound restore,so just phylactery. if it is still there

I read somewhere... not sure if it was here or W.S. or H.O. or somewhere else but I believe that multi wound models only have their last wound restored.
Can someone confirm?

Thats the way its always been

Xca|iber wrote:It just dawned on me that the new Flayed Ones' poses remind me an awful lot of this scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv-sKP17xTw&feature=related

Just watch the first 30 seconds and compare to their poses.

...or maybe I'm just crazy.

I think maybe you've seen a little too much Chuck Testa.

Ressurrection Protocols returns the model to play with a single wound unless they have a Phylactery in which case they come back (the first time they get back up) with D3 wounds.

And yes, for the most part (not the C'Tan, for example) every non-vehicle unit has Ressurection Protocols, so Scarabs can come back as well now.

So after the 1st time the phylactery no longer functions?

That's what it sounds like. I'd hope it had a point drop if it only works the first time they stand and since that isn't guaranteed for a multi wound model it could easily get pricey for a piece of wargear that may do nothing all game.

JohnnoM wrote:Kroot, do you know if the lychguard and praetorians come in one box?

Well, I don't KNOW it, but I assumed it from the start, given the similarity.

Better be only like 5-10 points for a single use item that has a 33% chance of being non-beneficial.

Wraiths are pretty darn close to being the same price and still have a 3+ invulnerable save (phase shifter) as well as a 3+ armor save.

They move as Jump Infantry but ignore difficult terrain (so do not have to take difficult or dangerous tests).

Their Attacks are rending and they have a few options (each model can take one): Particle Caster (pistol), Whip Coil (lash whip) or Exile Beamer (a 12" Heavy Weapon that causes a raondom model in the target unit to be removed from the table if it fails a Strength test).

I have a hard time seeing how an Exile Beamer could be useful since it is a heavy weapon (especially since its the most expensive upgrade of the bunch) and most models you'd realy want to remove instantly (like big ICs, Monstrous Creatures) tend to have a high Strength value anyway.

i was wondering if anyone covered it but does the whole quantum sheilding and living metal... does that have any effects on lance weapons? does it work like black templars blessed hull?

yakface wrote:
Wraiths are pretty darn close to being the same price and still have a 3+ invulnerable save (phase shifter) as well as a 3+ armor save.

They move as Jump Infantry but ignore difficult terrain (so do not have to take difficult or dangerous tests).

Their Attacks are rending and they have a few options (each model can take one): Particle Caster (pistol), Whip Coil (lash whip) or Exile Beamer (a 12" Heavy Weapon that causes a raondom model in the target unit to be removed from the table if it fails a Strength test).

I have a hard time seeing how an Exile Beamer could be useful since it is a heavy weapon (especially since its the most expensive upgrade of the bunch) and most models you'd realy want to remove instantly (like big ICs, Monstrous Creatures) tend to have a high Strength value anyway.

Hopefully they're relentless? And hopefully the exile beamer still causes a wound if it doesn't exile? *Wish*

Could be murder to IG Commanders and the like mind. Or to Sergeants/Justicars and the other unit leads if the wound inflicted is chosen by the shooter.