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Hmm, pretty sure when the Necrons got their new codex, the White Dwarf for that month mentioned something about Necron Crypteks using advanced technology that was easily mistaken as Psychic abilities.. or something like that?

Cyrax wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Cyrax wrote:Holly crap Necrons have psykers?!
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=22400026a&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Astronomican+%28Astronomican%29&utm_content=FaceBook

I think the guy in charge of the site just done goofed, cause necrons do not have access to any psi-powers at all.
I think there is a picture of the psychic powers table showing that on the first page.

Is it possible that Crypteks may have dispel ability? Maybe this is why they're posted as psykers?

If you read the description of the Crytek it specifically says that it isn't a Psycker, but that they use arcane Necron artifacts to manipulate reality in a way that often seems like Psyker abilities.'


Everyone is excited, I understand, but let's take a step back and breathe. "Allies" is an in game mechanical term for allowing another army to be mixed in with the main one. The rule isn't called "Best Buds" for a reason. Just becuase an army can be mixxed with another doesn't mean those armies suddenly like each other. We also know that there are different levels of alliances. Just becuase two armies can be mixed to some degree doesn't mean you won't be penalized for doing so.

Ultramarines + Imperial Guard = Glorious Brofist ~ gain a bonus
Dark Angels + Space Wolves = No hate, but no brofist ~ no bonus, no penalty
Eldar + Dark Eldar = Hate eachother , but will work together ~ can ally, but with penalty

Altruizine wrote:Hmm, just realized that if allies of convenience are treated as enemy units, they may not be able to take objectives for you.

Actually, if they are treated as enemy units that you can't shoot at or attack, they would (unless the rules state otherwise) count as competing units for objectives.

We also know that there are different levels of alliances.

We already know many of the alliance rules from the White Dwarf. There were no special provisions for the Daemons allying with CSM or the IG with GK, except the force organisation rules (You get an extra detachment in addition to your normal FOC of 1 HQ, 1 Elites, 1 Troops, 1 FA, 1 HS). If you're expecting that all of a sudden there's an intricate rule set that balances the system so that Grey Knight Purifiers occupying the elite slots of a Necron army etc. etc. makes any sense whatsoever you have to be delusional.

Untill proven otherwise it's better to assume everyone allies with everyone with no real positive or negative modifiers of any kind. You can make as ridiculous army lists as you like. Many people will talk about them, fewer people will actually assemble them and almost none get to play them at tournaments because they simply won't be allowed. I agree with JGrand.

Therion wrote: If you're expecting that all of a sudden there's an intricate rule set that balances the system so that Grey Knight Purifiers occupying the elite slots of a Necron army makes any sense whatsoever you have to be delusional.

Or you realize that IG/GK and CSM/CD would be trusted allies and as such have no penalties. But hey, what do I know, I'm delusional, right?

Scottywan82 wrote:

Altruizine wrote:Hmm, just realized that if allies of convenience are treated as enemy units, they may not be able to take objectives for you.

Actually, if they are treated as enemy units that you can't shoot at or attack, they would (unless the rules state otherwise) count as competing units for objectives.

Thats entirely based on 5th edition objective rules, and anyway majority fo ally units you take wont be scoring anyway.

morgendonner wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:

Altruizine wrote:Hmm, just realized that if allies of convenience are treated as enemy units, they may not be able to take objectives for you.

Actually, if they are treated as enemy units that you can't shoot at or attack, they would (unless the rules state otherwise) count as competing units for objectives.

Thats entirely based on 5th edition objective rules, and anyway majority fo ally units you take wont be scoring anyway.

That's entirely based on 5th edition objective rules...

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Therion wrote: If you're expecting that all of a sudden there's an intricate rule set that balances the system so that Grey Knight Purifiers occupying the elite slots of a Necron army makes any sense whatsoever you have to be delusional.

Or you realize that IG/GK and CSM/CD would be trusted allies and as such have no penalties. But hey, what do I know, I'm delusional, right?

Either that or an absolutely hopeless optimist. You do realise you're essentially wishlisting and imagining rules right now? GW apologism at its finest. There has to be some brilliant reason why Necrons can ally with Grey Knights and a secret rule that in the end balances it it all, right?

What about HP and super heavies? If a Russ suddenly has 3 hp, will the Baneblade get nerfed, in a way?

Therion wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Therion wrote: If you're expecting that all of a sudden there's an intricate rule set that balances the system so that Grey Knight Purifiers occupying the elite slots of a Necron army makes any sense whatsoever you have to be delusional.

Or you realize that IG/GK and CSM/CD would be trusted allies and as such have no penalties. But hey, what do I know, I'm delusional, right?

Either that or an absolutely hopeless optimist. You do realise you're essentially wishlisting and imagining rules right now? GW apologism at its finest. There has to be some brilliant reason why Necrons can ally with Grey Knights and a secret rule that in the end balances it it all, right?

Yes, expecting something similar to the allies chart in WHFB 8th edition is TOTALLY GW apologism at it's finest.

On an unrelated note, do you always start insulting people when they don't agree with you?

Therion wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Therion wrote: If you're expecting that all of a sudden there's an intricate rule set that balances the system so that Grey Knight Purifiers occupying the elite slots of a Necron army makes any sense whatsoever you have to be delusional.

Or you realize that IG/GK and CSM/CD would be trusted allies and as such have no penalties. But hey, what do I know, I'm delusional, right?

Either that or an absolutely hopeless optimist. You do realise you're essentially wishlisting and imagining rules right now? GW apologism at its finest. There has to be some brilliant reason why Necrons can ally with Grey Knights and a secret rule that in the end balances it it all, right?

We know from the latest teaser that there are different levels of alliances.

On an unrelated note, do you always start insulting people when they don't agree with you?

Only when I'm feeling like doing them a favor. You need to wake up.

We know from the latest teaser that there are different levels of alliances.

Yes, we know that. We also know that has nothing to with balance either. The whole premise that all the 8 loyalist books are on 'best buddy' alliances with eachother is already so blatantly unfair to everyone else that it would in fact be better if everyone were best buddies with eachother. Atleast then you wouldn't be just trying to give the Imperials a buff. From a balance perspective Imperial Guard having access to Purifiers is just as imbalanced as Necrons having access to them. So why are the Purifiers best buddies with the Imperial Guard and not the Necrons? Because of a a background explanation? Of course. None of this has anything to do with game balance.

Like I said there's no secret rule that in the end makes it allright and balances the allies. They're imbalanced, no matter how you spin it. I'll repeat for the fifth time for those with a little thicker skulls than others (you know who you are): The sooner you accept that the majority of the tournaments will disallow them the better it'll be for you. Maybe you'll even save some money.

Therion wrote:We already know many of the alliance rules from the White Dwarf.

And yet we still have the tearing of cloth and the gnashing of teeth when it is discovered that some armies may not hate another to thepoint where they wouldn't work together to defeat a greater threat.

Therion wrote:If you're expecting that all of a sudden there's an intricate rule set that balances the system so that Grey Knight Purifiers occupying the elite slots of a Necron army makes any sense whatsoever you have to be delusional.

Or you'd have to be some sort of fool that creates straw men about balance and then call people delusional. No mention of balance was made, nor a belief in intricate rule systems. My post responded to the constant "I can't believe X would ever fight with Y", and why they misght take a second and relax before declaring that the sky was falling. Much like freaking out over the Necrons having a psyker when taking just a moment to read it would show that it is not a psyker at all.

Therion wrote:Until proven otherwise it's better to assume everyone allies with everyone with no positive or negative modifiers of any kind.

There was a scan posted somewhere that had the alliance listings which included the type of alliance that different armies had to each other and what it meant. You either got nothing, an extra tactic, or lost a tactic card. Or something along those lines.

Therion wrote: There has to be some brilliant reason why Necrons can ally with Grey Knights and a secret rule that in the end balances it it all, right?

One would hope. But then it is GW......

Therion wrote:

On an unrelated note, do you always start insulting people when they don't agree with you?

Only when I'm feeling like doing them a favor. You need to wake up.

Or he could maintain his views on the game, and you yours. There is never a need to insult people just because they disagree with you, at least not on an internet forum about a board game with action figures.

Therion wrote:

On an unrelated note, do you always start insulting people when they don't agree with you?

Only when I'm feeling like doing them a favor. You need to wake up.

In the last vid that GW put out, there is a shot of part of the allies page that starts to describe the different levels of allies, just like they are handled in the fantasy allies tables.

Therion wrote:

On an unrelated note, do you always start insulting people when they don't agree with you?

Only when I'm feeling like doing them a favor. You need to wake up.

As has been mentioned, the last teaser also had a blurb about different types of alliances, but I suppose I'm just wishlisting and white-knighting GW, as I'm delusional and need to wake up?

Made this chart based on the GW website...



*The far bottom right box should be green

**also GK are listed as allies for Tau on the GW site but not as allies for GK...web admin error perhaps? Unsure which is correct.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Therion wrote:

On an unrelated note, do you always start insulting people when they don't agree with you?

Only when I'm feeling like doing them a favor. You need to wake up.

As has been mentioned, the last teaser also had a blurb about different types of alliances, but I suppose I'm just wishlisting and white-knighting GW, as I'm delusional and need to wake up?

You need to improve on your reading comprehension as well.

You are a gentleman and a scholar Glorioski.

Thanks Glorioski but IG can ally CSM and Tau.

Edit: scratch that, looks like I've misread the table.

Therion wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Therion wrote:

On an unrelated note, do you always start insulting people when they don't agree with you?

Only when I'm feeling like doing them a favor. You need to wake up.

As has been mentioned, the last teaser also had a blurb about different types of alliances, but I suppose I'm just wishlisting and white-knighting GW, as I'm delusional and need to wake up?

You need to improve on your reading comprehension as well.

Pray tell, what part did I misunderstand? You DID say I need to wake up, you DID, albeit indirectly, call me delusional and you DID accuse me of being a GW apologist. I think you might need a break, I don't see why you need to be so darn hostile in the first place.

Cyrax wrote:Thanks Glorioski but IG can ally CSM and Tau.

IG can ally anything but nids

That matrix at the GW site lists GK as allies in the Tau lists, but doesn't list Tau in the GK list

Also Space Marines are listed twice in one of the lists...

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Therion wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Therion wrote:

On an unrelated note, do you always start insulting people when they don't agree with you?

Only when I'm feeling like doing them a favor. You need to wake up.

As has been mentioned, the last teaser also had a blurb about different types of alliances, but I suppose I'm just wishlisting and white-knighting GW, as I'm delusional and need to wake up?

You need to improve on your reading comprehension as well.

Pray tell, what part did I misunderstand? You DID say I need to wake up, you DID, albeit indirectly, call me delusional and you DID accuse me of being a GW apologist. I think you might need a break, I don't see why you need to be so darn hostile in the first place.

Just take a breath, relax, read the last couple pages again if you have to and maybe you'll just figure it out on your own instead of me having to reply once every five seconds to you.

So i kinda am sad face about allies.

What should be done is each codex is a seperate entity and receives a +2 allies (IG gets GK and CSM for instance, GK gets IG and Templars, CSM gets IG and Demons, Demons get CSM and Orks, etc.)
this way each faction/codex can work with only up to 2 other factions.

Tyranids by themselves, hope they have an awe inspiring codex that does not need any holes filled in........

Glorioski wrote:*The far bottom right box should be green

None of the armies list their own army as an ally, so unless it is specifically mentioned somewhere (which might very well be... or not) a codex can't be an ally to their own codex.

Therion wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Therion wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Therion wrote:

On an unrelated note, do you always start insulting people when they don't agree with you?

Only when I'm feeling like doing them a favor. You need to wake up.

As has been mentioned, the last teaser also had a blurb about different types of alliances, but I suppose I'm just wishlisting and white-knighting GW, as I'm delusional and need to wake up?

You need to improve on your reading comprehension as well.

Pray tell, what part did I misunderstand? You DID say I need to wake up, you DID, albeit indirectly, call me delusional and you DID accuse me of being a GW apologist. I think you might need a break, I don't see why you need to be so darn hostile in the first place.

Just take a breath, relax, read the last couple pages again if you have to and maybe you'll just figure it out on your own instead of me having to reply once every five seconds to you.

Wait, you're the one insulting people and yet you want me to calm down? Furthermore, I'm not forcing you to do anything, so if you don't want to reply then don't, but please, tell me what I missed (and I'm not trying to taunt you on this one, I'm genuinely curious and don't think I'd change my mind reading it through again anyway).

Therion, I suggest read up on Rule #1 and I'm not referring for the one that doesn't mention Fight Club...


Daemons allying with Orks and Tau really puzzles me from the above table.

TBD wrote:

Glorioski wrote:*The far bottom right box should be green

None of the armies list their own army as an ally, so unless it is specifically mentioned somewhere (which might very well be... or not) a codex can't be an ally to their own codex.

Thats a given though. Why would they need to be an ally with themselves? I don't see what that could do to help you in anyways.