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**AlmightyWalrus**

Bobug wrote:So does the black templars special rule "abhor the witch" still apply? Unless it gets FAQ'd, no psychic eldar allies for them

Unless FAQ'd then yes, it applies. Why would it not?

(Props for remembering though

)

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Orks and Chaos have teamed previously, or at least Orks previously have fallen to the ruinous powers. So then teaming up with CSm doesn't seem to hard to imagine.

**wuestenfux**

Thamor wrote:
morgendonner wrote:TH/SS got better... I don't see anything thus far that made single wound terminators worse..

I'd say overall draigo wing probably got better. Now they aren't susceptible to regular power weapons, and now even if you shoot them with Plasma, they get their invul plus 5+ FNP now. Unless you're a heavy torrent of fire army that is. Then you can make him lose paladins a lot faster than previously.

Even if they did get worse, Id just have to pull out my DOA BA

My shelved DoA BA army will become better as far as I can see, especially on the charge. Some more advantages fielding this kind of army?

**Cyrax**

Holly crap Necrons have psykers?!
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=22400026a&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Astronomican+%28Astronomican%29&utm_content=FaceBook

**Therion**

It does make me wonder why they bothered to make an allies matrix at all.

I think you're closing in on the answer: The alliance rules are designed for team games and friendly custom games where both players are trying to play out some cinematic battle or a narrative or whatever with multiple armies doing battle.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Cyrax wrote:Holly crap Necrons have psykers?!
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=22400026a&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Astronomican+%28Astronomican%29&utm_content=FaceBook

I think the guy in charge of the site just done goofed, cause necrons do not have access to any psi-powers at all.
I think there is a picture of the psychic powers table showing that on the first page.

**Maelstrom808**

Unfortunately limiting allies to those that only make real sense creates very nasty imbalance, so the other option is opening up almost every ally with every other ally. They made some fluff exceptions, but with as loose as they've interpreted it, they might as well have made none at all. Really, they should have just left it out altogether imo, but we'll see how it plays out.

**Sigvatr**

GK can ally with Necrons.

I died a little inside.

Then again, we already agreed on banning allies, so..meh.

**Testify**

Is it just me is or that Chaos codex new?

**balsak_da_mighty**

tyrannosaurus wrote:Was trying to stay positive about the allies rule [lets me do a proper chaos force] but the team ups allowed are just stupid. In understand guard, daemons and DE [at a push, if they were Slaanesh CSM] but why would my CSM team up with Tau [or, more pertinently, why woul they team up with me] Orks and Necrons?

Because GW wants to sell more product and this is the bast way to do it.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Zathras wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:AND THAT HAS THE ALLIES MATRIX! WOOOHOO!!

(http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=22400024a&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Astronomican+%28Astronomican%29)

So, according to that, my Necrons can ally with....
Chaos Space Marines
Orks
Tau
Black Templars
Blood Angels
Dark Angels
Imperial Guard
Vanilla Marines
Space Wolves
Sisters of Battle

Holy crap, how are they going to explain how Necrons would even do this???? Blood Angels and Orks I can see because it's mentioned in the codex that the Necrons have had dealings with them in the past but any encounters with all the others have resulted in nothing but combat. Space Wolves being one of my allies does make me happy since that's the other army I'm working on right now. WOOHOO!!! Rune Priest for psychic defense/firepower!!!!

Something else I thought of regarding Hull Points on vehicles is how Entropic Strike will work. Will it stay the same or will I have to chew through the armor and Hull Points before the vehicle is wrecked?

WHAT?!
Why would they ally themselves with chaos! Necrons hate chaos. This makes no sense at all -_-

**Palindrome**

Therion wrote:
The only alliances that I 'sort of' accept are IG with every other Imperial codex, and Daemons with Chaos. IG allying with Marines is too imbalanced to be allowed so that only leaves the Daemons.

Actually IG could ally with just about anyone as a basic human force. They could represent Chaos Cultists, Frateris militia, Diggaz, Tau militia, even Imperial Guard. Balance is something that is unknowable at the moment as the core rules aren't known and all races are supposedly getting FAQed. its possible that allies will even work within the tournament environment. Of course as this is GW I fully expect the rules to be full of holes and idiocy.

**Maelstrom808**

EDIT: nm I was thinking of the daemons cover

**JGrand**

Can't see why any competitive players are getting worked up at allies. They won't be allowed in the tourney scene. The allies rules are DOA as far as I'm concerned...

**wuestenfux**

Necrons can get allies? This makes not much sense to me. This ''sell at all costs'' policy is something I hate.

**Cyrax**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Cyrax wrote:Holly crap Necrons have psykers?!
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=22400026a&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Astronomican+%28Astronomican%29&utm_content=FaceBook

I think the guy in charge of the site just done goofed, cause necrons do not have access to any psi-powers at all.
I think there is a picture of the psychic powers table showing that on the first page.

Is it possible that Crypteks may have dispel ability? Maybe this is why they're posted as psykers?

**solles**

Maelstrom808 wrote:
Testify wrote:Is it just me is or that Chaos codex new?

I think someone goofed

sadly that's just the 4th ed chaos dex. nothing new

**AlmightyWalrus**

JGrand wrote:Can't see why any competitive players are getting worked up at allies. They won't be allowed in the tourney scene. The allies rules are DOA as far as I'm concerned...

There's a metric crapton of competetive players that seem to like allies, just as there's a metric crapton of competetive players that seem to dislike them. I'd say you're a bit premature at judging the rules considering we haven't even read them yet...

**Maelstrom808**

wuestenfux wrote:Necrons can get allies? This makes not much sense to me. This ''sell at all costs'' policy is something I hate.

Oldcrons, sure. Newcrons? We are apparently a kinder, gentler homicidal undead robot.

**warboss**

wuestenfux wrote:Necrons can get allies? This makes not much sense to me. This ''sell at all costs'' policy is something I hate.

Does it help if you squint and just imagine those organics as cylon skinjobs instead?

**Maelstrom808**

solles wrote:
Maelstrom808 wrote:
Testify wrote:Is it just me is or that Chaos codex new?

I think someone goofed

sadly that's just the 4th ed chaos dex. nothing new

Yeah I got the CSM and Daemons covers mixed up. I never look at them so :shrug:

**CthuluIsSpy**

Cyrax wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Cyrax wrote:Holly crap Necrons have psykers?!
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=22400026a&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Astronomican+%28Astronomican%29&utm_content=FaceBook

I think the guy in charge of the site just done goofed, cause necrons do not have access to any psi-powers at all.
I think there is a picture of the psychic powers table showing that on the first page.

Is it possible that Crypteks may have dispel ability? Maybe this is why they're posted as psykers?

Well, I guess that makes sense from a fluff stand point.
The necrons do already have a device on their spyders that can cancel out psychic activity, so it makes sense that a cryptek would have something similar.

**JGrand**

There's a metric crapton of competetive players that seem to like allies, just as there's a metric crapton of competetive players that seem to dislike them. I'd say you're a bit premature at judging the rules considering we haven't even read them yet...

I guarantee that at the very least there will not be allies at the major GTs.

**junk**

Grey Knights can Ally with sisters of battle?

Awesome. Turn 1, my grey knights slaughter my sisters of battle and bathe in their blood... 2+ invul against chaos!

**wuestenfux**

junk wrote:Grey Knights can Ally with sisters of battle?

Awesome. Turn 1, my grey knights slaughter my sisters of battle and bathe in their blood... 2+ invul against chaos!

Well, your GK haven't understood what allies are. But hey, its 40k, I'll decide what to murder.

**Altruizine**

Hmm, just realized that if allies of convenience are treated as enemy units, they may not be able to take objectives for you.

**junk**

We can be pretty confident that allies are going to dominate the tactics forum, and the army list forum is going to be a complete mess...

**balsak_da_mighty**

I don't really see DA's using Allies that much as they are so secretive about their chapter and hunting of the fallen. Just seems kinda weird to me, as does most of the ally combos that might be there.

I do see some cool combos.

Eldar & Dark Eldar for some Corsairs.
CSM & Demons & IG
Tau & IG (Human Auxiliers)
CSM & Marines/DA's (Fallen)

I see this more for fluffy based armies and maybe not very competitve at this point. With knowing very little about the Rules at this point.

Edit: Just saw that I added fallen so that actually would fit the DA codex a bit. lol But only for that fluff readon like I said before.

**Robbietobbie**

I think that what most people who are complaining about allies opening up a whole lot of OP combinations are forgetting is the way GW has envisioned the rules being used. They want players to play a FUN game, with narrative and such. For that reasons the possibility of having allies is a good thing (boosts sales as well).. If people use the possibility to write OP lists that's their fault for using that possibility in a way it wasn't intended to be used

**wuestenfux**

junk wrote:We can be pretty confident that allies are going to dominate the tactics forum, and the army list forum is going to be a complete mess...

True. I opt for a separate forum that discusses allies.