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AlmightyWalrus wrote:AND THAT HAS THE ALLIES MATRIX! WOOOHOO!!

(http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=22400024a&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Astronomican+%28Astronomican%29)

So, according to that, my Necrons can ally with....
Chaos Space Marines
Orks
Tau
Black Templars
Blood Angels
Dark Angels
Imperial Guard
Vanilla Marines
Space Wolves
Sisters of Battle

Holy crap, how are they going to explain how Necrons would even do this???? Blood Angels and Orks I can see because it's mentioned in the codex that the Necrons have had dealings with them in the past but any encounters with all the others have resulted in nothing but combat. Space Wolves being one of my allies does make me happy since that's the other army I'm working on right now. WOOHOO!!! Rune Priest for psychic defense/firepower!!!!

Something else I thought of regarding Hull Points on vehicles is how Entropic Strike will work. Will it stay the same or will I have to chew through the armor and Hull Points before the vehicle is wrecked?

Maelstrom808 wrote:Necrons and SoB? el oh el

I never figured SoB for the forgiving sort

I think it's fairly clear that these aliances can be explained through even the most extreme circumstance. It's not saying that because they are fighting together against a common foe that they are therefore best pals.

Levels of cooperation are not listed, so this is just a "buy more stuff" list.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:AND THAT HAS THE ALLIES MATRIX! WOOOHOO!!

(http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=22400024a&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Astronomican+%28Astronomican%29)

Ah, no chance of a Genestealer Cult then...

tetrisphreak wrote:

Maelstrom808 wrote:Necrons and SoB? el oh el

I never figured SoB for the forgiving sort

I'm guessing MANY of the ally combos will have the 'grudging ally' or something similar relationship. The units would treat each other as enemy units that cannot be shot or assaulted...they just happen to be fighting the same foe(s) at the same time.

Heh true, but still...after Sanctuary 101...

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:AND THAT HAS THE ALLIES MATRIX! WOOOHOO!!

(http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=22400024a&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Astronomican+%28Astronomican%29)

Ah, no chance of a Genestealer Cult then...

Would have been a good way to do it too!

Zathras wrote:

Something else I thought of regarding Hull Points on vehicles is how Entropic Strike will work. Will it stay the same or will I have to chew through the armor and Hull Points before the vehicle is wrecked?

I'd say it's just yet another way to deal with armor.

Entropic it to 0 - tank dies

Reduce the armor to low enough to glance - remove the hull points and the tank dies

manage to pen after all the entropic reduction - possible explosion.

We also don't know how damaging vehicles exploding will be. A flyer gives s10 hits with no armor saves to occupants if it's zooming and explodes. maybe a tank explosion does a s5 hit with no armor? Open topped could be different as well....

So has anybody found any good online deals?
The best I get is 25% off. I'm really only interested in the
BRB. The bag, dice box, special coloered dice are all really
nice, but I'm also realistic. I don't have to have them to play.
The book on the other hand.....

Appears tau can ally with everyone except nids, hmmmmmmmmmmmm I smell great oppotunities for some counts-as alien auxilleries

Also no genestealer witches makes everyone a sad panda :<

Tau and Daemons?
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=§ion=&pIndex=3&aId=22400024a&start=4&multiPageMode=true

Seems odd, since Tau have been not exposed to the Warp.

Black Templars and Tau made me giggle. Suppose it could happen against something like 'Nids though.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Black Templars and Tau made me giggle. Suppose it could happen against something like 'Nids though.

Since Tau have no psykers, you'd figure they'd be good buddies

nevermind.


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Any thoughts on how daemonic possession on vehicles will work with hull points?

Yeah, I thought the side links were just to components for the army in question. My bad.

grizgrin wrote:For some reason when I click on the different armies, there's no link.

Click "next" at the bottom or just choose an army from the menu on the left.

Press the link at the bottom that says next, or the list to the left. Not the individual army pictures.

Maelstrom808 wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Black Templars and Tau made me giggle. Suppose it could happen against something like 'Nids though.

Since Tau have no psykers, you'd figure they'd be good buddies

Surprised that we can ally with Eldar though, I'd imagine Black Templars would go into a crazed frenzy by being near so many Psykers.

GiraffeX wrote:Any thoughts on how daemonic possession on vehicles will work with hull points?

From what we've seen - you'd lose the hull point for the glance/pen, then if penned the damage table is rolled. on a 1, 2, or 3 you'd ignore the damage but still have lost a hull point. 3 Hull points lost = dead Dread, regardless of DP.

Was trying to stay positive about the allies rule [lets me do a proper chaos force] but the team ups allowed are just stupid. In understand guard, daemons and DE [at a push, if they were Slaanesh CSM] but why would my CSM team up with Tau [or, more pertinently, why woul they team up with me] Orks and Necrons?

tyrannosaurus wrote:Was trying to stay positive about the allies rule [lets me do a proper chaos force] but the team ups allowed are just stupid. In understand guard, daemons and DE [at a push, if they were Slaanesh CSM] but why would my CSM team up with Tau [or, more pertinently, why woul they team up with me] Orks and Necrons?

...because they're fighting a more serious threat? It's not as if they're going to become best friends forever and throw flowers, ponies and rainbows at eachother once the battle's over. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it's not stupid at all.

Since IG can ally with anyone and the 6th favors the flyers, expect hydras, hydras everywhere!

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Maelstrom808 wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Black Templars and Tau made me giggle. Suppose it could happen against something like 'Nids though.

Since Tau have no psykers, you'd figure they'd be good buddies

Surprised that we can ally with Eldar though, I'd imagine Black Templars would go into a crazed frenzy by being near so many Psykers.

Yeah, that one is definately a head-scratcher.

tyrannosaurus wrote:Was trying to stay positive about the allies rule [lets me do a proper chaos force] but the team ups allowed are just stupid. In understand guard, daemons and DE [at a push, if they were Slaanesh CSM] but why would my CSM team up with Tau [or, more pertinently, why woul they team up with me] Orks and Necrons?

Orcs and Crons wouldn't really be too much of an issue as long as it wasn't Imotekh or really any of the Sautekh dynasty.

Yeah, it seems like a mash of Dang Near Everyone and Dang NEar Everyone. Hardly any flavor at all, except the delicate bouquet of "sales".

Meh.


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Least they didn't have the gall to say Tyranids would ally with anyone. Nice to see even GW has some limitations.

CSM and Orks isn't that bad, there even used to be Chaos Orks. The allies combinations are far to broad though, I fail to see how Grey Knights would ever (ever) fight along side Dark Eldar or SoB would fight along side Necrons.

So does the black templars special rule "abhor the witch" still apply? Unless it gets FAQ'd, no psychic eldar allies for them

but the team ups allowed are just stupid

Not only are they stupid but they're also horribly imbalanced and most likely only rarely allowed at tournaments. I know a lot of people don't need to care about what tournaments allow or disallow, but most of those alliances aren't pleasing aesthetically or from background or other imaginable reasons so I'm not sure why anyone would get so excited about them.

The only alliances that I 'sort of' accept are IG with every other Imperial codex, and Daemons with Chaos. IG allying with Marines is too imbalanced to be allowed so that only leaves the Daemons. Why they make sense is because the books were separated only recently for reasons unknown. The explanation now that GW wanted various types of Chaos armies to be separate instead of a homogenous mass doesn't make sense if they all of a sudden don't want any 40K armies to be separate and want Necrons allying with Sisters and Tau allying with Daemons.

It does make me wonder why they bothered to make an allies matrix at all.

Everyone can ally with everyone, except for tyranids.

Would barely be a further step than this.

alarmingrick wrote:I don't understand why they got rid of Allies in the first place?

Because this is not the same Allies that was rather easily abused in the Daemonhunters/Witchhunters books.

tetrisphreak wrote:I'm guessing MANY of the ally combos will have the 'grudging ally' or something similar relationship. The units would treat each other as enemy units that cannot be shot or assaulted...they just happen to be fighting the same foe(s) at the same time.

I'm guessing you're correct.

All this "Allies Matrix" does is show us who can ally with who, not the particulars of the alliances.