6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)

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**tetrisphreak**

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Therion wrote:
It sounds like it will help prevent hull points from being lost to begin with. Since you get to use Living Metal after every shake/stun that occurs, you have a chance to prevent each one.

My understanding is that living metal won't affect glancing hits at all, and will from now on be a situational bonus save that happens when you suffer a penetrating hit that results in a shake or a stun. Then you get a saving throw against that result, and if you succeed you neither lose a hull point or get shaken or stunned. Why I say situational is that if you consider stuff like AP1 weapons who get +2 to the chart, the only way living metal does anything at all against a railgun is if the railgun penetrates but rolls a 1 for vehicle damage which is a stun after the modifier.

What about open topped?

**ChocolateGork**

IdentifyZero wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
Happygrunt wrote:While everyone complains about the rules, I am sitting her wondering how I am supposed to justify a $75 game book.

I suppose the same way we justify the cost of anything Warhammer related, such as $50 for 5 little plastic Terminators. If you think this is bad you may want to avoid a website called 'Forgeworld'. Your head will explode.

Happygrunt wrote:I mean, seriously.

Oh good, I thought may you were joking.

Except, Forgeworld stuff costs the same as most GW kits now. In some parts of the world, it is cheaper to purchase Forgeworld.

True its cheaper (including shipping) to get a sweet ass forgeworld dread than it is to get a normal bog standard one. Here in Australia at least.

**spaceXjam**

Games workshop here in australia has had the rulebook for a few days and yesterday everyone was reading it. hard to really get a grip on it when 20 people are reading it at once and keep turning pages.

one thing people kept saying was that close combat has been changed quite a bit and now which hugley disadvantages ork, tyranids, space wolves, daemon hunters.

The coolest thing people were talking about is that imperial guard are set to be the best looking army so far with nothing "nerfing" them and allot buffing them. (not that they needed it)

Tau and eldar are gaining allot

none of this is really that good of information but im going to the store again tomorow to get some more time alone with the book

sorry if any of this is not new or intresting tomorow i will try to get as many pictures as i can!

**Macok**

Therion wrote:
It sounds like it will help prevent hull points from being lost to begin with. Since you get to use Living Metal after every shake/stun that occurs, you have a chance to prevent each one.

My understanding is that living metal won't affect glancing hits at all, and will from now on be a situational bonus save that happens when you suffer a penetrating hit that results in a shake or a stun. Then you get a saving throw against that result, and if you succeed you neither lose a hull point or get shaken or stunned. Why I say situational is that if you consider stuff like AP1 weapons who get +2 to the chart, the only way living metal does anything at all against a railgun is if the railgun penetrates but rolls a 1 for vehicle damage which is a stun after the modifier.

But living metal nullifies shaken / stunned, not glancing / penetrating hits. Shaken / stunned has nothing to do with hull points.
Of course it's kinda (super extremely to the max!) silly to discuss RAW now, but if LM won't change in FAQ it will be meh.

I think I need to take a break from Dakka for the next week. The more I read this topic the more I get over-hyped about new edition

EDIT:
Oh, and still waiting for some Lance rumours..

**Baronyu**

Seeing that Flyer is a vehicle type on its own, I wonder how that would affect DE's Razorwing/Voidraven... I can't see them making 3/4 of our heavy skimmers the new flyer, but what would happen to the Supersonic rule? We can now zone our paper planes across the battlefield, from one edge to another, for comedic effect, I assume?

**spaceXjam**

here is somthing that again supports dark angles for the box set start kit thingomajig.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm106/Linnear1701/40K/DarkAngelSprue.jpg

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*the sholder pads marking

**morgendonner**

I sure hope for simplicity's sake that anything on a flying stand is now a flyer.. I'm pretty sure that is the route they will be going.

**helgrenze**

schadenfreude wrote:In the grim dark future there is only math hammer

(snip)
Overall it's a loss of durability for the target, but in increase in firepower as glances no longer shake a vehicle. Seeing as how the AV13 vehicle is only likely to take a single glance/pen a turn the changes of the AV13 vehicle remaining able to shoot after being hit by a krak missile barrage/psyfleman dread pretty much doubled.

Your mathfoo is flawed.

You forgot two very important rumors to your theory...

Damage results stack so shaken -> stun -> weapon -> immob -> wreck

Pens give +1 to all subsequent damage rolls in that shooting phase, so essentially after a pen all weapons shooting a vehicle become AP1.

I believe this changes the dynamics a bit.

**Sigvatr**

Agree with Living Metal going to be an extremely weak special rule unless it's FAQ'd to nullify losing hull points to some degree.

But then again...fielding Ghost Arks might be a good idea now that Warriors are about to get buffed a lot and they still have 4 HP and AV 13.

Could also decide to not field any vehicles at all...a Warrior blob with a Phaeron inside (+orb) will be extremely tough to beat and if the rumor about +1 shot with Phaeron turns out to be true, we're looking at 60 S4 shots at 12'...which means death to everything that comes close and ID to any vehicle.

Get charged by cheesebot and torn apart by infinite attacks? Not anymore. Blows up before getting close.

**Compel**

spaceXjam wrote:here is somthing that again supports dark angles for the box set start kit thingomajig.

That's the exact same set that's from the paint set, which has been posted a half dozen times in this thread alone already.

**Eldar Craft**

Man I have to admit Eldar are already unforgiving for me to pull wins off with. I am super excited for sixth but foresee some serious face beatings depending on how new psychic powers play out and my tanks are now nerfed(maybe, I can't decide how much hull-points will effect mid-strength armor). I am excited to see how everyone overhauls their list.

**Davor**

morgendonner wrote:

Allies.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Allies.

Thanks guys for the explanation, I was really wondering about this.

**tetrisphreak**

I think there is some elegance in the design of Hull Points, having the same abbreviation as Hit Points (HP) because they are essentially vehicle hit points. We all know what happens when you drop to 0 HP in any RPG, same for vehicles in 40K. now just to memorize which vehicles have how many.

I anticipate (read: hope) that dark eldar venoms and raiders only get 2 hull points each.

**Nightbringer's Chosen**

Really. Curious as to whether Hull Points are renewed each turn or are permanently lost like wounds.

**tetrisphreak**

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:Really. Curious as to whether Hull Points are renewed each turn or are permanently lost like wounds.

Vehicle Dice Set comes with hull point dice markers, which leads me to believe that vehicles have the equivalent of wounds, like infantry do. It's better for the game - we need to be able to bust open those parking lots.

**Zygrot24**

**acsmedic**

I anticipate (read: hope) that dark eldar venoms and raiders only get 2 hull points each.

BLASPHEMER!!! How dare you hope for my Raiders to be easy to kill... wait they all ready are.

I was hoping for 2+ jink and 3+ flicker fields ...

j/k of course.

On a serious note, I really hope that they did not over due the Psychic powers. Magic was the Giant stone on the back of 8th WHFB (while steadfast was the straw that broke the back)

**AlmightyWalrus**

AND THAT HAS THE ALLIES MATRIX! WOOOHOO!!

(http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=22400024a&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Astronomican+%28Astronomican%29)

**tetrisphreak**

Allies page lists what armies can ally with others!

**BolingbrokeIV**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:AND THAT HAS THE ALLIES MATRIX! WOOOHOO!!

(http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=22400024a&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Astronomican+%28Astronomican%29)

Nice find. It's different than that table that was floating around a few months back too.

**tetrisphreak**

Jesus - It looks like every army can ally with almos every other in some fashion or another, minus tyranids.

**acsmedic**

A crapload of links just appeared via Astronomican RSS feed:

That is curious.. looks like Dark Eldar and Eldar can be allies !! Vect hires out his pychic defense to his good ol buddy the farseer.... hah!

**Melcavuk**

Zygrot24 wrote:A crapload of links just appeared via Astronomican RSS feed:

Gift Guide with the following links:

http://feeds.games-workshop.com/~r/Astronomican/~3/tlz3ryAaatY/article.jsp
http://feeds.games-workshop.com/~r/Astronomican/~3/od6511Uno3w/article.jsp
http://feeds.games-workshop.com/~r/Astronomican/~3/xDXPfWodnUc/article.jsp
http://feeds.games-workshop.com/~r/Astronomican/~3/tXNiwozyJxQ/article.jsp
http://feeds.games-workshop.com/~r/Astronomican/~3/XX1ovzdE3XQ/article.jsp

http://feeds.games-workshop.com/~r/Astronomican/~3/lcqYhYpX8iE/article.jsp
http://feeds.games-workshop.com/~r/Astronomican/~3/mSm01cRp2zc/article.jsp
http://feeds.games-workshop.com/~r/Astronomican/~3/jExGRmVCn5A/article.jsp
http://feeds.games-workshop.com/~r/Astronomican/~3/2jY0oBpTYUE/article.jsp

The allies list here is broken down into codex's and units you can ally with by army, its the bets clue to who gets who we have thus far.

**tetrisphreak**

My Tau-Cron army shall be realized! Ha-Ha-Ha!

**alarmingrick**

I don't understand why they got rid of Allies in the first place?
Maybe it was so it could be revamped? Didn't notice the Nids having any playmates?
I'm just glad my IG will be able to get a Psychic hood again.

**Maelstrom808**

Necrons and SoB? el oh el

I never figured SoB for the forgiving sort

**Melcavuk**

I'm optimistically excited about the chances to use my half completed Necron units as allies to Marines, but the fluff part of me hates the idea. Internal turmoil commences.

**tetrisphreak**

Maelstrom808 wrote:Necrons and SoB? el oh el

I never figured SoB for the forgiving sort

I'm guessing MANY of the ally combos will have the 'grudging ally' or something similar relationship. The units would treat each other as enemy units that cannot be shot or assaulted...they just happen to be fighting the same foe(s) at the same time.

**acsmedic**

DE and SOB.... my very sick and twisted mind is thinking sick and twisted things. of course I am smiling and repeatedly saying giggity

**coyotius**

If someone could grab some of the more interesting screens linked above I would be grateful..one of the poor saps actually working the weekend.