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Cypher's Sword wrote:
It doesn't matter your army, the fact is vanilla marines should not be the best psykers.

and kenzosan gets it in a nutshell for the win, exactly my point.

They aren't the best. They have access to 4 different disciplines, the same as all the other marines except GK.

Cypher's Sword wrote:
It doesn't matter your army, the fact is vanilla marines should not be the best psykers.

and kenzosan gets it in a nutshell for the win, exactly my point.

Thanks, that was the point I was trying to make. It just seemed to get hung up on the fact I used Chaos as an example because I felt it was better for comparison.

I might have missed this in the previouse 6 threads but when will you be able to order this? The gamers and collectors edition will not be in my FLGS (GW told them these items will not be available to the retailers) which sucks so I will have to preorder from GW if I want those I guess.

pretre wrote:

Cypher's Sword wrote:
It doesn't matter your army, the fact is vanilla marines should not be the best psykers.

and kenzosan gets it in a nutshell for the win, exactly my point.

They aren't the best. They have access to 4 different disciplines, the same as all the other marines except GK.

How is that not the best. No other army has access to that many. Marines are not the best psykers.

edit: Imperial psykers are not the best psykers in the galaxy.

Mandor wrote:

Cypher's Sword wrote:
It doesn't matter your army, the fact is vanilla marines should not be the best psykers.

and kenzosan gets it in a nutshell for the win, exactly my point.

Seeing that five out of eight Xenos armies don't get any powers at all, I wonder if they'll get increased resistance to these "new" psychics. I'd fully expect them to be stomped by them though.

Balance pleaz, I want the Perils of the warp roll to be 50/50 chance of instant death on spez marines. That would make me happy.

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Cypher's Sword wrote:LIke I said in the pervious thread, WHAT!?!?! is with the pychic power table, spez marines get everything even though eldar are the most psychically powered race known to the universe?

Discuss

No. That means the Space Marines (and the Imperial Guard, for what matters) have access to common psychic lore from four of the five disciplines.

Chaos Space Marines (who are in permanent contact with the psychic energies of the Warp) and Eldar (the galaxy's most talented psykers) have restricted access to common lore, but will probably have their own unique powers developed on their respective 'dexes. Same goes for Orks and Daemons, who will probably use a different system for playing psykers altogether.

And the poor Tyranids needed a bit of love, anyways

kenzosan wrote:

pretre wrote:

Cypher's Sword wrote:
It doesn't matter your army, the fact is vanilla marines should not be the best psykers.

and kenzosan gets it in a nutshell for the win, exactly my point.

They aren't the best. They have access to 4 different disciplines, the same as all the other marines except GK.

How is that not the best. No other army has access to that many. Marines are not the best psykers.

You said Vanilla. So Vanilla marines are not the best. Marines have access to the most disciplines, which still isn't the best.

Also, we have no idea what rules come with this. For all you know, Marines roll on each chart and Eldar pick. Wait for the book before freaking out.

Allies for 40K reminds me of Dogs of War for 6th ed Fantasy - they weren't banned in tournaments only because they unbalanced the game, they were mainly banned because every army could patch their weak sides (every army and it's mother took 3 greater cannons, Dwarfs who couldn't use magic took a lvl 4 Albion wizard) and the character of the different armies were dilluted.

DoW weren't an issue for me because all tournaments I went to banned the army patching. I expect the same in coming 40K tournaments.

Cypher's Sword wrote:

Mandor wrote:

Cypher's Sword wrote:
It doesn't matter your army, the fact is vanilla marines should not be the best psykers.

and kenzosan gets it in a nutshell for the win, exactly my point.

Seeing that five out of eight Xenos armies don't get any powers at all, I wonder if they'll get increased resistance to these "new" psychics. I'd fully expect them to be stomped by them though.

Balance pleaz, I want the Perils of the warp roll to be 50/50 chance of instant death on spez marines. That would make me happy.

I want to not hide in tanks because psykers can 1 shot a full squad. I do this now with my Blood Angles. Fear them off the side of the table.


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pretre wrote:

kenzosan wrote:

pretre wrote:

Cypher's Sword wrote:
It doesn't matter your army, the fact is vanilla marines should not be the best psykers.

and kenzosan gets it in a nutshell for the win, exactly my point.

They aren't the best. They have access to 4 different disciplines, the same as all the other marines except GK.

How is that not the best. No other army has access to that many. Marines are not the best psykers.

You said Vanilla. So Vanilla marines are not the best. Marines have access to the most disciplines, which still isn't the best.

Also, we have no idea what rules come with this. For all you know, Marines roll on each chart and Eldar pick. Wait for the book before freaking out.

As I edited, Imperial psykers arent the best psykers. They never should be.

Gamers edition @ £75 UK - Collectors @ £80 UK

Gonna pick up a gamers edition

pretre wrote:

kitch102 wrote:To all rumour mongers - any info on how the collectors edition differs to the gamers ed? Surely it's not just a wallet and a number / signature?

I want the collectors, but also want the extras that come with the gamers ed.

Decisions....

Gamers is satchel + dice + book

Collectors is nicer book in nicer book case.

This is from what we have seen so far.


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Formosa wrote:yeah the spine pic is on the RB, but i cant see GW letting newbs use such an old dex when its on the cover of the RB, no one wants to get pwned lots when there new it will drive them back to CoD

BT were on the cover of 3rd ed and didn't even have their own codex.

Yes they did, codex space marines, then they got Armageddon and then there own book.

point is DA are not one of the forgiving SM armies out there (still SM though) and new players being drawn to them and getting stomped by BA, SW, BT and GK SM armies will put newbs off, i cant see GW letting this happen for long, im still clinging to DA being next, but i do agree Tau, CSM and Sisters need it more, but im selfish dammit lol

pretre wrote:Also, we have no idea what rules come with this. For all you know, Marines roll on each chart and Eldar pick. Wait for the book before freaking out.

Agreed. It's just that the WD table seems so... biased towards our "dear" Space Marines.

Formosa wrote:

pretre wrote:BT were on the cover of 3rd ed and didn't even have their own codex.

Yes they did, codex space marines, then they got Armageddon and then there own book.

:( You just agreed with me by disagreeing. They didn't have their OWN book.

Okay, I'm going with a stupid question.
How can IG suddenly get something general (Psychic powers) and their 'Dex doesn't have it(specific)?
Will they erata/FAQ it into life? As it stands they don't have Jack worth mentioning other than WR. Hell,
I'd just be happy with access to a psychic hood!

Formosa wrote:point is DA are not one of the forgiving SM armies out there (still SM though) and new players being drawn to them and getting stomped by BA, SW, BT and GK SM armies will put newbs off, i cant see GW letting this happen for long, im still clinging to DA being next, but i do agree Tau, CSM and Sisters need it more, but im selfish dammit lol

Oh those poor sisters, if anyone is getting outed by GW its them, I fear they're going to the place that squats go when GW doesn't like them anymore

alarmingrick wrote:Okay, I'm going with a stupid question.
How can IG suddenly get something general (Psychic powers) and their 'Dex doesn't have it(specific)?

They have an HQ Psyker...

pretre wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:Okay, I'm going with a stupid question.
How can IG suddenly get something general (Psychic powers) and their 'Dex doesn't have it(specific)?

They have an HQ Psyker...

Right, and the codex tells us what his powers are.

those cards scare me so much...
I love fantasy, but I also want a game that doesnt have complete magic domination

N.I.B. wrote:Allies for 40K reminds me of Dogs of War for 6th ed Fantasy - they weren't banned in tournaments only because they unbalanced the game, they were mainly banned because every army could patch their weak sides (every army and it's mother took 3 greater cannons, Dwarfs who couldn't use magic took a lvl 4 Albion wizard) and the character of the different armies were dilluted.

DoW weren't an issue for me because all tournaments I went to banned the army patching. I expect the same in coming 40K tournaments.

Doesn't matter. I'm going to keep my orks a steady sea of green free of human, alien or daemonic taint. And if I pick a new army for 6th, I'm going to stick to my codex and forgo allies entirely.

In 5-6 years that rule could be gone, rendering most mix-and-match armies obsolete. I was one of the many Bloodaxes caught in the looted wagon fiasco, and don't want that to happen to me TWICE.

alarmingrick wrote:Right, and the codex tells us what his powers are.

Every codex is that way.

These are in addition to what's listed in your codex.

alarmingrick wrote:
Right, and the codex tells us what his powers are.

All codexes tell you what powers the Psykers get. The rumor is the rulebook or FAQ updates will allow (some, all?) psykers to replace their codex-given powers with (random, chosen?) powers from the selected lores.

I am going to point and laugh if I see anyone with that man purse over his shoulder show up to a tournament.

dajobe wrote:those cards scare me so much...
I love fantasy, but I also want a game that doesnt have complete magic domination

They give you the ability to swap out your powers in your codex for one of the powers from the different disciplines. At least that's the theory. We're not talking L4 casters for everyone.

elrabin wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:
Right, and the codex tells us what his powers are.

All codexes tell you what powers the Psykers get. The rumor is the rulebook or FAQ updates will allow (some, all?) psykers to replace their codex-given powers with (random, chosen?) powers from the selected lores.

That would be great! I wouldn't need to buy the cards in order to keep using my libarian!

Wolf 11x wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:Right, and the codex tells us what his powers are.

Every codex is that way.

These are in addition to what's listed in your codex.

This is true no one ever gets there powers taken OUT of their codex by an update, they only get changes from enemy anti powers or by an actual codex update. A core rules update is their to expand on the codexes or set a new base for a whole new line of codexes, we should all keep this in mind as we discuss.

I'm still confused as to why the Eldar don't get Telekinesis.

alarmingrick wrote:

pretre wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:Okay, I'm going with a stupid question.
How can IG suddenly get something general (Psychic powers) and their 'Dex doesn't have it(specific)?

They have an HQ Psyker...

Right, and the codex tells us what his powers are.

Have you been keeping up with the leaked rules?

You will be able to keep your specific psychic powers, OR take the random ones from the rulebook. Apparently it's one or the other and different psychers will have access to different amounts of abilities from the book.

Doomhunter wrote:

elrabin wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:
Right, and the codex tells us what his powers are.

All codexes tell you what powers the Psykers get. The rumor is the rulebook or FAQ updates will allow (some, all?) psykers to replace their codex-given powers with (random, chosen?) powers from the selected lores.

That would be great! I wouldn't need to buy the cards in order to keep using my libarian!

According to the spanish text on the pic, the cards are only used to keep track of what psychic power is in use at a given time. You could perfectly do that with a pen and a sheet of paper

but the rumored powers are not even that bad

Vortex... SM got it already... so swap vortex for ..vortex.. hmm

Blood boil/heamoregegegege (sp?) take a T test or suffer a wound.. meh so a few guard die, even fewer orks and SM, blobs/Mobs dont care and SM can handle it

the re-roll reserves thing is pretty cool and hopefully will be useing this (when able) with my Ravenwing.. finally a reason to take a Lib on a bike!!!!