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Bergen

Is it intensional? I think the sword and claw jumpack wolf guard is 31 points now instead of 30.

Thunder wolf cavalry went down though! :-) 35 points for lightning claw and shield, down from 50.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2023/01/05 23:35:26


   
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Played my first game of AOO with wolves today and I was a little underwhelmed, not sure how to run these guys at the moment

Firstly, a good point - i didn't really notice the lack of Armor of Contempt too much. A lot of my army has always ran with storm shields anyway so didn't get ti to begin with.

I only really felt it on my regular troop choices and if you danced around cover it was generally enough to offer some survivability.

What I didn't like was the new secondaries - Wolves are now left with the regular choices, the marine book options and Warrior Pride from their own book.

Warrior Pride is a decent secondary but not the one I would have kept given the choice. It also comes from the Battlefield Supremacy slot which is home to several other secondaries that wolves score well, and I found myself taking Shock Tactics instead, along with Bring it Down and Oaths of Moment because there were no other decent options available.

Overall I didn't score too badly (didn't win either) but had to play in a playstyle that doesn't particularly suit wolves in order to score as I did.

The changes to Tactical Doctorines WILDLY favour Heavy Shooters, not just by enabling them to stay in dev doct but by also not changing the Codex Warfare secondary which awards 2vp for units killed in devastator but only 1vp for the others. If it were 2vp for each then this would be very viable for us. Doctorines definitely needed a change but the new rules aren't the way to go.

Definitely need another few games with them to try out some other options but at the moment i think i might be sticking with my other factions for the most part in this season of 40K

Has anybody else got any thoughts?

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2023/01/18 15:23:51


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Bergen

One person on Facebook just stayed in devestator doctrine all game. The psyker and a stratagem can out things in assault doctrine, and the wulfen are already in it.

It is no secret that iron hands is the best SM faction and the moment. Partly because they are so insanely good. And now because they can stay in devestator all day and that new secondary is so good for them.

But Space Wolves are still fun. Fun fun fun.

   
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Right so i've played a couple more games with the wolves and it's becoming clear that (while theyre still a combat army) they can't lean into it as much as before.

New list, coming up. I think you're right about staying in the dev doctorine and using psychic and the two available strats to place units into assault.

I've added in not one but two Repulsor Executioners for a tonne of light fire power which will be at AP2 while in the dev doct, not to mention the lasers which hit on 2s and will be AP5 for d3+3 damage. Ouchy.

I've also added in the good old Invicta Tactical Warsuit (controversial!) for some outflanking in the deployment phase. Combined with a drop pod containing 2 grey hunter units, it should help to stir some poop on turn one while the rest of the army moves up the table.

List below, keen to get some thoughts.

Spoiler:
+ HQ +

Bjorn the Fell-handed [10 PL, 155pts]: Helfrost cannon

Librarian [5 PL, 80pts, -1CP]: 2. Murderous Hurricane, 4. Instincts Awoken, 5. Storm Caller, Combi-melta, Force axe, Stratagem: Relic of the Chapter, Tome of Malcador

Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf [7 PL, 120pts, -3CP]: Combi-melta, Hunter, Stratagem: Relic of the Chapter, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, Stratagem: Warrior of Legend, The Armour of Russ, The Imperium's Sword, Thunder hammer, Warlord

+ Troops +

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 90pts]: 4x Astartes Chainsword, Wolf Standard
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Power fist
. 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades
. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt pistol, Meltagun

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 90pts]: 4x Astartes Chainsword, Wolf Standard
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Power fist
. 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades
. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt pistol, Meltagun

+ Elites +

Invictor Tactical Warsuit [8 PL, 140pts]: Incendium cannon

Venerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 135pts]
. Fenrisian great axe and Blizzard shield: Heavy flamer

Wolf Guard [7 PL, 190pts]: Jump Pack
. Wolf Guard: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Storm shield, Thunder hammer

Wulfen [6 PL, 145pts]
. Wulfen Pack Leader: Wulfen Frost claws
. 4x Wulfen w/ thunder hammer & storm shield: 4x Storm Shield, 4x Thunder Hammer

+ Fast Attack +

Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]: Cyberwolf

Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]: Cyberwolf

Thunderwolf Cavalry [7 PL, 115pts]
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power sword, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power sword, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader: Storm shield, Thunder hammer

+ Heavy Support +

Eradicator Squad [7 PL, 135pts]: Melta rifle
. Eradicator
. Eradicator Sgt
. Eradicator with MM

Repulsor Executioner [18 PL, 250pts]: Heavy Laser Destroyer, Icarus Rocket Pod, Ironhail Heavy Stubber

Repulsor Executioner [18 PL, 250pts]: Heavy Laser Destroyer, Icarus Rocket Pod, Ironhail Heavy Stubber

+ Dedicated Transport +

Drop Pod [4 PL, 70pts]: Storm bolter

++ Total: [119 PL, 2CP, 1,995pts] ++

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so im building wolf guard terminators. bs lets me give all five in a unit cyclone launchers? is that legal? they are free too..
   
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Bergen

That you can not. Not to be overly rude but perhaps you should look up the units entry in either the codex, gw's app, wahapedia or perhaps even test the unit out in battelscribe.

   
 
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