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So Nurgleboy77 stated that the rules for a force weapon in the DH and WH codices are the same BUT has also been saying all along that the NFW is unique. Sorry something is wrong in the state of Denmark.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:Look I have read it many times including this weekend. I just want to go over the most pertinent items. So far it is a bunch of GK players that insist they are right.

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So far as I know, I'm the only dedicated GK player to be in this conversation.

...and you should know D@MN well that I dont need to use loopholes to win games. Commenting that only "rules-lawyers" subscribe to this interpretation almost immediatly after I honestly post about NFW's in this thread is a borderline flame.

People have been arguing with your for some 4 full pages now that the sky is blue and we all keep citing rules, RAW, AND the rulebook. Yet you choose to ignore all examples and instead REPEAT YOURSELF, not citing rules, but instead simply insist that YOU'RE right.

Take a hint...noone is agreeing with you. Are you honestly saying that you have a better grasp on the rules than some 5 or so posters in this thread.

You need to bow out of this one.


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Green Blow Fly wrote:So Nurgleboy77 stated that the rules for a force weapon in the DH and WH codices are the same BUT has also been saying all along that the NFW is unique. Sorry something is wrong in the state of Denmark.

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No, he's been saying that the CODEX rules for forceweapons override the forceweapon rules in the RB...and he would be right.

This is according to GW FAQ. How many more times must we all repeat ourselves before you swallow some pride and bow out of this?

I assume this facepalm is due to embarrassment from your error in deciphering the rules.

Not at all... the frustration... sheer frustration... that is all.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:Not at all... the frustration... sheer frustration... that is all.

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Look Steve, if you dont believe me (or anyone else here)...why dont you step back from this one...post it over on our forums and let all of OUR guys tell you how its supposed to be played.

I dont see why you cannot understand this other that possibly stubborness and refusal to accept that new rules and FAQ's from GW have resulted in a rather powerful weapon for DH/WH.

...and you wonder why noone takes you seriously here on dakka....

In order for that flowchart to work...the person who "got told" needs to REALISE that he "got told". Otherwise, it isnt funny.

Deadshane1 wrote:...and you wonder why noone takes you seriously here on dakka....

In order for that flowchart to work...the person who "got told" needs to REALISE that he "got told". Otherwise, it isnt funny.

were we ever supposed to? I always just took him as some troll

I said I would check the rules again tonight, but no that is not good enough... you want me to immediately capitulate. It ain't gonna happen.

I for one, as a part-time GK player, would jump for joy if the army was updated so that NFW were normal force weapons in addition to their S6 power weapon status.

Why?

-Because then Grey Knights and assassins would have frag grenades, which they don't and cannot get, and is absolutely crippling for assaulting into terrain

-Because my storm shields would grant a 3+ Invulnerable save

-Because my stupid Heavy3 Assault Cannons would be Heavy4, Rending

-Because the GK Grand Master/Captain would be WS6, just like a Force Commander/Captain

-Because all of the stupid inconsistent discontinuities that make GK weak as an overall army would removed, at the "mere" cost of a piece of wargear that rarely sees use beyond what a normal force weapon could achieve.

Seriously, you can't cherry pick which rules you want to fix. Either all of it gets updated, or none of it does. GK are overall a weak army due to ridiculous model cost and a critical lack of relevant wargear (frag grenades OMG).


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Deadshane1 wrote:...and you wonder why noone takes you seriously here on dakka....

In order for that flowchart to work...the person who "got told" needs to REALISE that he "got told". Otherwise, it isnt funny.

were we ever supposed to? I always just took him as some troll

You're in the enlightened majority.

Okay so its personal now. I see all the Stelek fanbois are coming out of the proverbial closest like a maddening horde. No big deal to me. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. That's right when you can't win an argument on the merits of pure intellect then just slag away.

Oh Snap!



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You obviously are.

Okay so its personal now. I see all the Stelek fanbois are coming out of the proverbial closest like a maddening horde. No big deal to me. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. That's right when you can't win an argument on the merits of pure intellect then just slag away.

1: Me and stelek dont mix, he knows my views of him, as do alot of other dakka members.

2: so you calling me an arse was not petty name calling?


GBF, you need to grow up, every troll has thier day, yours was a long time ago.
As it stands most of dakka just tend to ignore your stupid and annoying comments.
You were saying its just GK players trying to use a loophole, yet there was only 1 GK player here.
And im sorry if you dont like playing RAW, you seem to like playing your own made up versions.

Now, after being proved wrong by everyone here you still try to keep this argument going, for what?
what can you actually show us to prove your point?

Keep slagging away. I really don't care.

If you didnt care then you wouldnt be posting.

Green Blow Fly wrote:Keep slagging away. I really don't care.

you post a lot for someone who doesnt care

It's to save face. In two more pages he'll turn around and go 'HAHA, I was just stringing all you f00lz along to see how many posts I could get you to waste!'. It's a type of rationalization to compensate for having no further intellectual contribution combined with an inability to admit to being in error.

I just love the way he goes about attacking stelek even when stelek isnt here to defend himself.
Not only that, but going by what GBF has said and done he is allowed to call people names, but when others prove him wrong we are "slagging him off"

then he resorts to posting pictures of little girls.
im sorry GBF, that may be your sort of thing, but not ours.

naa, nevermind.

What did I say bad about your boy in this threAd?

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Well, this thread is officially over.....

Are you a mod now?

Green Blow Fly wrote:So Nurgleboy77 stated that the rules for a force weapon in the DH and WH codices are the same BUT has also been saying all along that the NFW is unique. Sorry something is wrong in the state of Denmark.

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Nope. Never said that. I just said DH and WH FWs have their own rules. Others have stated its becasue its a "Nemesis" FW, which I said...is wrong. Even if all three were worded the same, they still would act as they are written i nthe respective codices and not how the 5th ed book treats "normal" FWs.

EXACTLY like Smoke Launchers or Dedicated Transports, or the tons of other inconsistancies GW created when they plunked down "Codex> BRB".

Nice bait/Troll though GBF, you got me.

Feel any better now JD?

Not really, just thought i would see if your way of handling things worked, but posting random pointless pics doesent really do alot sadly.

Wow... anybody wants to get back on topic?

Well, first of all i'm another GK player, but nevermind.

To get back on topic:

I'm playing marines, so when it comes to kill hard characters, i'm using either lysander, or combi-plasma sternguard. (Normally i'm playing a unit like: 10 man, 2x combi-melta, 2x combi-plasma, HF, powerfist in a pod). Combining with a libbi /w nullzone and hellfire rounds, this works quiet well.

I do realise this comes in at about 400 points, but is a quiet universal squad to use, as i can handle quiet some units (Infantry, characters, vehicles).

When playing guard is always take two executioners with plasma sponsons, this will put oud about 5 templats per tank each turn.

(When playing GK's (my third army) i use the much discussed NFW Grand master)

Grt. Pim

There really isnt any need.

DH/WH force weapons work exactly the same as they did in 4th, when there were plenty of "immune to ID" creatures - like nids in synapse - that were still slain outright and did not have anything to with ID.

Sadly GBF hasn't got anything to counter the utterly solid fact that you are told to use the rules in the codex when they contradict the rulebook, and the rules in the codex work exactly the same as they did an edition ago. He has an argument alright, just not one based in actual rules.

DBF - the reason why I asked about 4th was that the equiv. of EW, "Immune to ID", was bypassed by force weapons. As I stated - you want to change the working of one rule without changing any others. You're welcome to do so, just please ackowledge that you are wrong as far as rules go, and you would prefer your own house rules. Unfortunately your conduct over the last few posts has shown you arent mature enough to do so.