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Kilkrazy wrote:

Skinnattittar wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Skinnattittar wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I think the Emperor will come back and make peace with the Tau, and let them ally with a liberalised Imperium so that numbers and technology can be combined to rid the Galaxy of Nids, Necrons and Orks.

Probably unlikely. During His reign, He was very clear about NOT adopting alien technology and ridding them from the galaxy by reason of manifest destiny (the galaxy is fated to belong to humans).
The better odds are that resistance against the Tau, and all xenos scum, will be re-enforced. The Imperium will hopefully not rip asunder in civil war, if it doesn't it will become the solid hammer it once was and sweep aside all resistance in a new Great Crusade!

That is just propaganda made up by the High Lords of Terra to justify their repressive regime.

Ah yes, and the Tyranid Threat is actually just a big mis-understanding perpetrated by the Necrons, who are just lonely and in need of a hug. Tyranids are actually really nice and don't want to eat your face at all!

The Tyranids don't have anything to do with the Tau.

Well I figured that while we were making things up....

To me anyone claming to be working towards the "greater good" while killing/enslaving/conquering is full of it. I voted evil!

And I've been playing tau for about a year (just so you know where my bias is coming from)

Skinnattittar wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Skinnattittar wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Skinnattittar wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I think the Emperor will come back and make peace with the Tau, and let them ally with a liberalised Imperium so that numbers and technology can be combined to rid the Galaxy of Nids, Necrons and Orks.

Probably unlikely. During His reign, He was very clear about NOT adopting alien technology and ridding them from the galaxy by reason of manifest destiny (the galaxy is fated to belong to humans).
The better odds are that resistance against the Tau, and all xenos scum, will be re-enforced. The Imperium will hopefully not rip asunder in civil war, if it doesn't it will become the solid hammer it once was and sweep aside all resistance in a new Great Crusade!

That is just propaganda made up by the High Lords of Terra to justify their repressive regime.

Ah yes, and the Tyranid Threat is actually just a big mis-understanding perpetrated by the Necrons, who are just lonely and in need of a hug. Tyranids are actually really nice and don't want to eat your face at all!

The Tyranids don't have anything to do with the Tau.

Well I figured that while we were making things up....

We're not making things up. We have two competing theories. One holds that everything the fluff tells us is true, and the other holds that there are lies (or propanagda) in the fluff.

Tyranids still have nothing to do with Tau either way.

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:As far as 40k goes, Tau are "Good". Which is funny, because they could make perfectly acceptable villains in other settings.

By virtue of the setting they're good, maybe neutral/good. Anywhere else you'd be fighting them tooth and nail.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Skinnattittar wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Skinnattittar wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Skinnattittar wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I think the Emperor will come back and make peace with the Tau, and let them ally with a liberalised Imperium so that numbers and technology can be combined to rid the Galaxy of Nids, Necrons and Orks.

Probably unlikely. During His reign, He was very clear about NOT adopting alien technology and ridding them from the galaxy by reason of manifest destiny (the galaxy is fated to belong to humans).
The better odds are that resistance against the Tau, and all xenos scum, will be re-enforced. The Imperium will hopefully not rip asunder in civil war, if it doesn't it will become the solid hammer it once was and sweep aside all resistance in a new Great Crusade!

That is just propaganda made up by the High Lords of Terra to justify their repressive regime.

Ah yes, and the Tyranid Threat is actually just a big mis-understanding perpetrated by the Necrons, who are just lonely and in need of a hug. Tyranids are actually really nice and don't want to eat your face at all!

The Tyranids don't have anything to do with the Tau.

Well I figured that while we were making things up....

We're not making things up. We have two competing theories. One holds that everything the fluff tells us is true, and the other holds that there are lies (or propanagda) in the fluff.
Tyranids still have nothing to do with Tau either way.

The problem with your "Theory" is that there is a distinct lack of any sort of supporting evidence. However the "Theory," as you put it, that I am backing up is supported by countless words from the back ground, propaganda and otherwise, in story and out story (official word from the authors). So while it is POSSIBLE the idea that humanity is xenophobic to the point that even other humans with similar genetics (supposedly Ratling, Ogryn, and the like are 100% human, but of extreme physical variance) can be considered "alien," stemming all the way back to the Emperor's crusade to place Humanity as prime among the stars and cleanse the rest of the galaxy of all other forms xenos, is all but a propaganda lie, then it is also POSSIBLE that Tyranids are in fact just horribly misunderstood, loveable critters that want to share candy and ice cream with Humanity, settle down with a nice human girl and start a family of hybrids... why to concoct such an elaborate scheme of propaganda and lies to defame Tyranids to the point that all races only see them as mindless, ever hungry munching machines that decimate entire worlds and leaving them completely deviod of life would take some sort of Tactical Gen-CREEEEEED!!!

EDIT : My "Creed" fonting was not epic enough to communicate the level of shear awesome that is Lord Castellan Creed!

I think in there 40k universe there not really true good or evil, you can say chaos is evil but there a some elements in it that say other wise Tzeentch and Nurgle have elements of good in it Tzeentch is responsible for evolution and Nurgle keeps a natural order in the universe.

Games Workshop have said in the past the army's fit in to forces of order and forces of disorder, tau are looking to put some order in the the universe but i wouldn't really call them good guys the idea of the grater good is fine on paper but any one that doesn't join them is killed it sort of feels little like joining the tau empire is joining a dictatorship

I would tend to agree with that. Consider the philosophies of the races:

Imperial Philosophy : Be Human and be Loyal to the Emperor - If not : Death

Tau Philosophy : Be Loyal to Our Ethereals - If not : Death

Eldar Philosophy : ?

Chaos Philosophy : Varies - If not : Death

Ork Philosophy : Fight with me (on my side) - If not : Death (until you run out of things to fight against, then they'll fight you!)

Tyranid Philosophy : Eat everything - If not : Death

Dark Eldar Philosophy : (I don't even want to imagine....) - If not : (again, I don't even want to imagine)

Necron Philosophy : Kill everything - If not : Death

So while everyone has their own philosophy, disagreeing with any of them has the same result.... except for the Dark Eldar..... I'm not sure if I want to know their result.... So therefore good and evil can only be expressed in relative terms from a stance somewhere between two of the groups. For if you tried to view them from the outside, everyone would appear absolutely good AND absolutely evil at the same time.

Even trying to place each group in a 2D line would prove difficult and require assumptions made upon the viewer. As such, this is how I would order them for my own reasons from most "Good" to most "Evil."

Imperium - Eldar - Tau - Orks - Tyranid - Chaos - Dark Eldar - Necrons

All else being equal, Imperium first because as I am a human, I would like to win, Eldar next because they are generally ambivalent and rational (they don't really mess with people other than for self sustainment), Tau because they are generally amiable (you can at least talk with them), Orks because while mostly irrational, what generally motivates them is controllable, and although they enjoy destruction, they prefer fighting over everything being dead, so somewhat rational. Tyranids are akin to Orks, but they will eat everything. Very rational from a particular point of view. Chaos next because they basically just want to destroy and corrupt everything with little care for themselves or others, rather a pathetic mode of operation, if you ask me, no Honor. Dark Eldar are second to most evil, they are irrational, self-absorbed, and unwilling to work with anyone or anything but themselves. Necrons are very last simply because they are THE negative force in the galaxy. They will kill everything because it is what they do, that austere reason being the coldest of all. For no other purpose than to kill do they kill.

I voted good because, in the first Ciaphus Cain novel the Tau help Cain when he is attacked by pro Tau humans, then the Tau also help them on their mission to destroy the genestealer cult even after a member of the imperials killed a kroot. Even though its most likely that it was only because their paths crossed and they were on the same mission they still accepted the Imperials and helped them, whereas other races may have just shot them and gone on with the mission. This is my reasoning but that might just be some Tau not all.