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Doombot001 wrote:Sea Shepard are doing what a lot of people WISH they could do. Their sticking their middle finger to the man and making sure stuff gets done right.

Hell yeah, I support em. And, as a member of Oceania, I hope Australia and the Kiwi's make sure that no more whales get hunted.

Kudo's to Australia and New Zealand (and Tazmania, you crazy mofo's). Luckily Hawaii has a "zone" around humpbacks. You can't go around 500 or so feet. If they pop up, you have to immediately cut your engines and drift until they pass by.

We support them!

I'm biased. I like Aussieland, New Zealand, and the surrounding area.

Hot ass womyn. That, and they think more like Islander's than the Continentals.

(Y)

Tyyr wrote:Austrailia has claimed the Antarctic Ocean?

No, but Australia does have a significant Exclusive Economic Zone in the Antarctic, and much of the 'science' takes place in this region.

Intentionally, maybe. However from watching the footage the Ady Gil appears to still be under power or at least coasting forward still when she's hit. From the footage shown there's just about no way you'd ever get a conviction on the Japanese crew for ramming. Frankly it looks more like incompetent seamenship on the part of the Ady Gil's crew. They're... well they're idiots and don't realize that a 500 ton ship can't stop or turn on a dime. They paid for it by getting their nice boat all broke.

Except that's not true. The Japanese boat turned into the Ady Gil.

Which given that the Japanese not only have a permit for harvesting these whales from the governing body of that treaty, the IWC has admitted the research they collect is top notch and useful, and that the japanese whaling industry requires subsidies to just break even... well I wish you the best of luck in that case. You'll need it in any court that looks at facts and the letter of the law rather than "DAAAWWWW look at da purdy whales!" emotions.

You don't understand how article VIII of the treaty operates. It allows a member nation to grant permits for whaling for scientific purposes. The IWC itself, being a treaty organisation and not an administrative organisation, does not issue permits.

So the issue becomes whether the Japanese are issuing permits on commercial or scientific grounds. To the extent that the Japanese are lying about the scientific intent of the operation is the extent to which they are breaking the law by issuing permits on illegal grounds.

Perhaps in future before making dismissive whale watcher comments you might try reading the treaty you're claiming to understand.

If you look at the video the Ady Gil was either under power when hit or recently under power. See my above reply on this subject. Proving they were rammed and not just incompetent seamen will be one hell of a case to have to make. Additionally, having your props fouled in the storm wracked and iceberg filled Antarctic Ocean thousands of miles from land and any chance of timely rescue is more than a nuisance. It borders on attempted murder.

I've looked at the video. The boat was stationary and the ramming unnecessary. No other conclusion can be drawn.

(snip whale lists)

The bulk of the breeds harvested consist of Byrde's whales and minke whales, 396 and 10,443 respectively over the course of 20 years. Byrde's whales are not even of concern in terms of population and but minke's do rate at least a minor concern though their total population is estimated to be around 770,000 animals world wide currently.

Yeah, the whales being harvested are not those endangered. I gave the list to highlight the fallacy of considering whales endangered or not... it depends on the breed.


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Frazzled wrote:Get real. Fouling a propeller or turning gear in in the Antarctic, with no hope of rescue, is attempted murder. Hence ramming the whalehuggers is viable self defense.

Fraz, I know you want to talk about pirates and stuff, and that's cool, but to do that you've contrived this idea that damaging a boat means doom for the crew. It isn't 1883, with lone whaling vessels months from shore and unable to communicate with the outside world. Modern boats will generally invest in communications devices. The Japanese whalers operate as a fleet, with several boats in the fleet operating as security and support vessels, with actual ability to harvest whales. The whaling boat involved in the ramming incident was just such a vessel... while the protestor ship that was rammed saw its crew rescued in a few minutes.

No-one is going to be left adrift for months forced to eat fellow crewmen.

On the other hand, ramming a vessel is a very dangerous thing.

Gwar! wrote:As I said, if the Japanese do decide "FETH YOU WHALE.... WARS PEOPLE" and just shoot at them, killing a good few, what are the Oz gonna do about it? The Japanese Government may be "weak" atm, but even they wouldn't dream of extraditing someone over this.

Murder is against the law in the Japan. The Japanese boats are under Japanese jurisdiction. Abstaining from the prosecution of a murder, or several murders, that would most likely be recorded in some fashion would be more than a little bit difficult.

dogma wrote:

Gwar! wrote:As I said, if the Japanese do decide "FETH YOU WHALE.... WARS PEOPLE" and just shoot at them, killing a good few, what are the Oz gonna do about it? The Japanese Government may be "weak" atm, but even they wouldn't dream of extraditing someone over this.

Murder is against the law in the Japan. The Japanese boats are under Japanese jurisdiction. Abstaining from the prosecution of a murder, or several murders, that would most likely be recorded in some fashion would be more than a little bit difficult.

I'm pretty sure it's against the law in pretty much every country on earth..

I'm pretty sure Aussieland and NZ have more commonsense than USA to tell Nippon ships to stop.

Yeah, what? My state appreciates these guys for what they are. I LOVE the fact that that Aussieland has WAAAY more balls than my USA in terms of protecting the whales.

Doombot001 wrote:Sea Shepard are doing what a lot of people WISH they could do. Their sticking their middle finger to the man and making sure stuff gets done right.

Really...



I see your point though, they are doing a damn good job though... at... ummm... .

Wasting awesome, multimillion dollar speed boats that have been used to circumnavigate the globe?

Wrexasaur wrote:

Doombot001 wrote:Sea Shepard are doing what a lot of people WISH they could do. Their sticking their middle finger to the man and making sure stuff gets done right.

Really...



I see your point though, they are doing a damn good job though... at... ummm... .

Wrexy, baby....

The Nihongin (Japanese) boats, screwed the the Sea Shepards Stealthboat. Granted, they didn't utilize it the way it was supposed to, but the Japanese are the ones that damaged the boat. They gotta pay for the damage. When the Sea Shepard's get some real FIREPOWAHHH, then maybe the whale's get left alone.

International Waters.

The Japanese haven't got to do Jack gak.

Doombot001 wrote:Granted, they didn't utilize it the way it was supposed to, but the Japanese are the ones that damaged the boat.

This...

Gwar! wrote:International Waters.

The Japanese haven't got to do Jack gak.

Your also obviously trying to gloss over how epic of a failure this incident actually was. Maybe I should redo the picture with a band-aid... that would express how I feel about what you are trying to do.

EPIC. FREAKING. FAIL.

That is what they have accomplished, no garnish, no fething sauce. Fail.

Gwar! wrote:International Waters.

The Japanese haven't got to do Jack gak.

Gwar, baby...


This kinda goes what I've been saying. Sea Shepards go by International Law. When the Nihongin are hunting whales, Sea Shepards are the guys to only ones to tell them to STFU and crap on their parade.


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Wrexasaur wrote:

Doombot001 wrote:Granted, they didn't utilize it the way it was supposed to, but the Japanese are the ones that damaged the boat.

This...

Gwar! wrote:International Waters.

The Japanese haven't got to do Jack gak.

Your also obviously trying to gloss over how epic of a failure this incident actually was. Maybe I should redo the picture with a band-aid... that would express how I feel about what you are trying to do.

EPIC. FREAKING. FAIL.

That is what they have accomplished, no garnish, no fething sauce. Fail.

Wrex, Dunno...but you got some kudo's on my part.

Doombot001 wrote:Wrexy, baby....

Doombot001 wrote:Gwar, baby...

I advise you to stop saying that before I link your text to something worse than MJ. You don't want to know... Rosie O'donnell

Doombot001 wrote:When the Nihongin are hunting whales, Sea Shepards are the guys to only ones to tell them to STFU and crap on their parade.

No... Butt-pirates of the Caribbean, are the only guys in the world to wreck THE ONLY real Batman Boat. Go to hell... go to hell and die you goddam sea-hippies... / .

Before...

And after...

AAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHH!!! WHHHYYYYYY!!!! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!

Wrexasaur wrote:

Doombot001 wrote:Wrexy, baby....

Doombot001 wrote:Gwar, baby...

I advise you to stop saying that before I link your text to something worse than MJ. You don't want to know... Rosie O'donnell

Doombot001 wrote:When the Nihongin are hunting whales, Sea Shepards are the guys to only ones to tell them to STFU and crap on their parade.

No... Butt-pirates of the Caribbean, are the only guys in the world to wreck THE ONLY real Batman Boat. Go to hell... go to hell and die you goddam sea-hippies... / .

Before...

And after...

AAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHH!!! WHHHYYYYYY!!!! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!

Dude, I hold you in more esteem than Gwar, wassap?



That, and I like MJ. (Link me to PYT).

Doombot001 wrote:Dude, I hold you in more esteem than Gwar, wassap?

I'm just having a laugh mate.

That, and I like MJ. (Link me to PYT).

Ask and ye shall recieve, *Ahh-EEEEEiiii*

Wrexasaur wrote:

Doombot001 wrote:Dude, I hold you in more esteem than Gwar, wassap?

I'm just having a laugh mate.

That, and I like MJ. (Link me to PYT).

Ask and ye shall recieve, *Ahh-EEEEEiiii*

Dude, You are sooo wrong.

Crap...you win. Lol, didn't think you would do it. Ok, ok. I got your back when the next flame war happens.

lol.

I'm going to park my car in front of a train to protest them.

OH NO IT GOT SMASHED!!!

Gwar! wrote:International Waters.

The Japanese haven't got to do Jack gak.

That's wrong. International waters are only lawless in the sense that there are no police floating around in the ocean waiting to bust people. If a crime is committed on a ship, it will be prosecuted under the law of the next port of call. Otherwise individual vessels are treated as extensions of their flag; meaning that the Japanese whaling vessels are governed by law of Japan. Conceivably the Sea Sheppard organization could bring suit for destruction of property in Japanese court.

dogma wrote:Wasting awesome, multimillion dollar speed boats that have been used to circumnavigate the globe?

If I could I would wreck one every day.

Hopefully by jumping ever greater numbers of flaming whale carcasses.

Doombot001 wrote:


Wrexy, baby....

The Nihongin (Japanese) boats, screwed the the Sea Shepards Stealthboat. Granted, they didn't utilize it the way it was supposed to, but the Japanese are the ones that damaged the boat. They gotta pay for the damage. When the Sea Shepard's get some real FIREPOWAHHH, then maybe the whale's get left alone.

There still trying to figure out whether or not it was intentinal.
from what i see the boat is hidning behind a ice chunk that the boat was supposed go over. then they didnt realize would hit them.

I think that my favorite part of this story is that Sea Shepard is now trying to sue the japanese boat for Piracy.

Let's forget everything about whales for a moment, and just think about this piracy case.

"Well, your honor, we saw this japanese boat that we didn't like, so we rolled up next to them and started throwing ropes to try to foul their propeller. You know, so they can't move around. We just wanted to deliberately cause damage to their vessel, that's all. Then, out of nowhere, they rammed us! They are clearly pirates."

(Japanese rebuttal) "It was self defense. They attacked our ship, so we kicked their asses, yo. Don't go getting all up in our grill"


What kind of a case do they really think they have?

What kind of a case do they really think they have?

One that would force the whaling industry to pay legal fees?

ShumaGorath wrote:

What kind of a case do they really think they have?

One that would force the whaling industry to pay legal fees?

Judge: Furthermore, the Idiot Whale Huggers must pay the Whalers Legal Fees

Gwar! wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

What kind of a case do they really think they have?

One that would force the whaling industry to pay legal fees?

Judge: Furthermore, the Idiot Whale Huggers must pay the Whalers Legal Fees

Certainly a risk they seem willing to take.

ShumaGorath wrote:They don't engage in piracy. That term has a meaning. You're not using it right.

Pardon me, sir, but I seem to have been mistaken

seashepherd.org wrote:
Sea Shepherd Conservation Society ship Farley Mowat is now officially a pirate vessel.

per dictionary.com:
pi⋅rate
–noun
1. a person who robs or commits illegal violence at sea or on the shores of the sea.
2. a ship used by such persons.

So these conservationsts scuttle someone else's boat and its not piracy.
Still not pirates!

Peaceful protesters one and all.
"I guess we can call this non-violent chemical warfare," Sea Shepherd's leader, Paul Watson, said.
"We only use organic, non-toxic materials ..."
Captain Watson said they homed in on a signal from an electronic surveillance bug planted by activists on the catcher ship Yushin Maru No.2.

A boatload of vegans doesn't get a pass just because their sense ecological duty inspires them to save a whale 'by any means necessary' including destruction of property, endangering human life (including theirs) and questionably legal espionage. Without a nation sponsoring them.

But they're not pirates!

Edit: embedded quote/Url fixed... second time around.

Same website

Legal Dictionary

Main Entry: pi·ra·cy
Pronunciation: 'pI-r&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural -cies
1 : an act of robbery esp. on the high seas; specifically : an illegal act of violence, detention, or plunder committed for private ends by crew or passengers of a private ship or aircraft against another ship or aircraft on the high seas or in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state —see also AIRCRAFT PIRACY Article I of the CONSTITUTION in the back matter
2 a : the unauthorized copying, distribution, or use of another's production (as a film) esp. in infringement of a copyright piracy> b : the unauthorized use, interception, or receipt of encoded communications (as satellite cable programming) esp. to avoid paying fees for use piracy of programming signals —United States v. Harrell, 983 Federal Reporter, Second Series 36 (1993)>
3 : the crime of committing piracy

Not really. I can call myself an astronaut, that doesn't mean I am.

I just find it a shame such a beautiful boat was wrecked.

They are going to use them to try to stop whaling ships they should just send me one for personal use. It will accomplish more.

Arrrrr, Matey. We is pirates! Avast Ye Scallewages, lest ye be pelted VICIOUSLY with various apparatus of spreading stench.

Arrrr...