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JSK-Fox wrote:How do we know they aren't paying you?

Because I said so. Regardless of the fact that you don't know me from the binary code that lets us communicate, my word counts.

Let me ask you a question, is it so impossible to believe someone could be passionate enough about a game system, that they would defend it tooth and nail against slanderous misrepresentations of the truth?

Is it really that hard to believe someone could want to grow a game system outside of being paid for it?

I'm not saying ex-illis is perfect. If you take the time to poke around the Ex-illis forums, you will find threads where I complain to the game designers about game changes, argue with them about mechanics, plead with them to release mini's I would love to see (like the liche pope). I'm selfish, I promote the game because I enjoy it more than any other miniature wargame i've played, and I'm keen to see the game do well

If thats not good enough for you.....

No guys, Ex-illis is not the perfect war game. but it is the best one I've played.

JSK-Fox wrote:

MadNes wrote:My opinion SUPER biased. I didn't guarantee success, I merely stated my opinion.

Here is some food for thought. I was not BORN an Ex illis fan, or programmed to be such at the release date.

I've evolved into a super fan because the company, the game experience, the modelz (regardless of your tastes or opinion) have been that good for me.

I've been a fan of several game systems in the past and still enjoy several games other than Ex-illis. The difference is, non of those games have been impactfull enough to cause me to "evangelize" the game.

I believe THAT is saying something about the quality of work bastion is producing.

On a side note - I don't know that its possible to be OVERLY supertive of a fledgling endeavor that obviously has the odds stacked against it.
Besides all I'm doing is having a friendly discussion with you fine people. That is a pleasure which takes almost no effort on my part.

How do we know they aren't paying you?

He would have been nicer in the past thread.

poipo32 wrote:He would have been nicer in the past thread.

did we read the same thread ?

MadNes wrote:
Let me ask you a question, is it so impossible to believe someone could be passionate enough about a game system, that they would defend it tooth and nail against slanderous misrepresentations of the truth?

This confuses me. How are we slandering the game? Slander implies that we're making offensive false statements about something.

We're all saying that this Demon is a mediocre sculpt. It is. Just looking at it will tell you that. It's better than the eyesores that litter GW's new fantasy edition, mind you (Beastmen, anyone?) but it still needs a lot more work before I'd consider it a quality mini.

We're saying needing a laptop for a game is a bit ridiculous, especially if you don't need one for anything else. If I want to play a game, I shouldn't have to put down an extra $300 for a laptop just to play it. Especially if I don't find it interesting. That's not slanderous, that's a sensible concern.

I get why you'd defend a game. Just not this one.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=16288&id=135224783179034&page=2

Photos from the 'tournament', although you only see two guys playing on the one table set up for it at the booth; where was the rest of the tournament held?

Which fanboy are you MadNes? I wasn't at Gen Con so didn't get to check the whole thing out.

"It is hard for me to believe it, but these d-bags have managed to combine every loathsome a-hole d-head practice one can imagine into a single game:
1. licensed minis
2. MMORPG levling
3. Defective By Design DRM-like hooks
4. credit card gaming
5. non-WYSIWYG minis "

Dunno about you, but that looks pretty slanderous to me. It is both insulting and inaccurate in many places. - Point 1

2) Re-read the threads, you'll be hard pressed to find a statement where I've said someone is wrong for not liking the game, or wrong for not liking a sculpt. I've corrected inacurrate statements about the game, offered different viewpoints about the synergies between mechanics and encouraged people not to ASSUME how the game play will work. Especially when trying the game is completely free.

3) I find it curious that the use of a computer is a sticking point for some guy I'm talking to on a forum... I've said it over, if you don't want to use the computer, the game isn't for you. You can't play basketball without a hoop, soccer without a net, Warhammer without rulebooks, Ex-illis without a processing device... thats just the way it is. If its not your cup of tea, cool. BUT - just because its NOT your cup of tea, doesn't mean I won't correct inaccurate or uniformed statements made about the game.

4) you've got a lot of nerve to tell me my game of choice is "the wrong game". I'm going to let that one go, I'm sure you didn't mean to tell me what I can and can't like.

5) Those pictures are of the Championship game. It was held at the booth in the vendor hall on Sunday because we didn't get done with the other rounds until about 1:30 the night before. I'm not in THAT picture because the kid with the glasses (Matt) knocked me out in the semi-finals. (That subject is still a bit painful, let it go)

6) There is a picture of my catapault from the painting contest, I would ask what you guys think, but...


7) http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=258272&id=135224783179034&l=927c6e7f3c&ref=fbx_album

Now if you look at this picture, I'm the guy with the crew cut on the right hand side. I'm hard to see cuz you can only seem me in between those two guys, Will and Jorge, great fellas from Cincy

8) The tournament had about 30 players and was held in the F hall, you know the one where you had to walk past the goblin king on the throne.


And now... ON with the show.

MadNes wrote:The tournament had about 30 players and was held in the F hall, you know the one where you had to walk past the goblin king on the throne.

I haven't been to a Gen Con in Indy, I'm still in mourning/protesting since it moved from Milwaukee. Anybody have photos from the rounds in Hall F? I'd like to see how the game sets up in a tournament environment having to have a computer and all; just curious.

yeah,
MadNes i came to this thread to check out a big deamon mini. Your single handedly putting me off trying this game.

Panic...

@ grognard - two tables used an hp touch monitor, the other tables used iPads

@ Panic - that really is a shame. :( I'm sure if we ever met in real life we would get along swimmingly.

MadNes3 wrote: I find it curious that the use of a computer is a sticking point for some guy I'm talking to on a forum... I've said it over, if you don't want to use the computer, the game isn't for you. You can't play basketball without a hoop, soccer without a net, Warhammer without rulebooks, Ex-illis without a processing device... thats just the way it is. If its not your cup of tea, cool. BUT - just because its NOT your cup of tea, doesn't mean I won't correct inaccurate or uniformed statements made about the game.

a more accurate description would be someone inventing a new game that consists of playing basketball minus the ball but with rollerblades or soccer with stilts and no net and wondering why people are resistant. it can be done and some people may like it but it is certainly reasonable and not slanderous for people to say "why the heck would i want to do that?". ex illis is getting rid of staples of wargaming (dice, books), making others optional (minis since you can play without them at all, you just need their number key to virtually activate them), and adding electronic necessities (internet connect, electronic device to run the game).

while i appreciate you correcting the few uninformed statements and assumptions about this game made in the multiple threads about it since you started your webwide ad campaign, you've also confusing opinions and blatantly obvious facts with the former and attempted to correct them with advertising spin. someone calling that giant demon ugly (and not in a good way as mikhalia pointed out) is an opinion and is entirely subjective; it doesn't need correcting although you can disagree with it but that doesn't make it any less valid of an opinion. saying that creature's base is lacking undercut detail and has alot of soft edges while the model itself has details that don't line up from part to part resulting in clearly different looking joints IS accurate; it doesn't need correcting. you've been doing a heck of alot more of the last two than the first yet you're lumping them all into one persecution complex.

your vigorous defense of the game you love has gone beyond correction of inaccuracies and into a wierd web version of the star trek episode where the cardassian officer tries to get picard to admit there are 5 lights instead of the 4 he sees.

Panic wrote:yeah,
MadNes i came to this thread to check out a big deamon mini. Your single handedly putting me off trying this game.

Panic...

I certainly agree.

It seems every Ex Illis thread goes down the drain...

It seems we've strayed off topic and getting into the unwelcome realm of personal attacks.

Thanks for everyone who contributed pictures.

We've seen the demon, we've seen it from all angles with all sorts of paint schemes, I think we're done.