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SaintHazard wrote:You actually just did exactly what I just said. By bringing English language definitions into this debate, you've brought in extra factors that were not there before, and therefore are house ruling it based on that.

The BRB does not define "disembark" the same way Oxford does.

By the BRB definition of "disembark," what you're doing when your transport explodes is not disembarking.

I realize how puerile I sound when I ask what is the BRB's definition of "is" is? But my point is the BRB has to demarcate special status to a word in order for that word to stop being a OED defined word and start being a technical term and in each case were the word is then used it must be clear which form is being used regular or technical. All the BRB does though is us disembark as a regualar word when tells us how and when we can disembark. Subject headings are just subject headings, and rules under later subject headings can modify those under previous ones, and the act of disembarking is always the act of disembarking. Disembarking, deploying, exiting from <vehicle>, placing on table from <vehicle>, etc., etc. are all the same thing.

Strictly speaking, not exactly.

Any word used in the BRB that has a very specific meaning exclusive to the game cannot be defined using real-world terms.

Allow me to present an example.

In real life, "shooting" is something you do when you pull the trigger on a firearm, release a bowstring, compress the release level on a crossbow, etc. It's a general term for releasing a projectile from an apparatus designed to propel that projectile directionally.

On the other hand, "shooting," in the context of 40k, is something that you do in the Shooting phase, requires a ballistic skill characteristic, a weapon profile, an origin model, and a target model. Nothing actually flies out of the model in a literal sense. The meaning does not correspond with the real world meaning of the term.

Disembarkation in 40k is similar. In real world terms, "disembarking" is something you do anytime you exit a vehicle. On the other hand, in the context of the game, disembarking is a willful action that includes several steps that are very clearly outlined in the BRB. You move your models out of the vehicle (most often represented by being off the board) and place them within 2" of an access point modeled on the vehicle, or within 2" of the hull in the case of emergency disembarkation. After they've disembarked, there are a series of rules that allow or disallow movement (whether the vehicle has moved), allow or disallow assault (whether the vehicle is open-topped or has a special rule allowing assaults after disembarking), and so on. The word "disembark" has a different meaning in the context of 40k than it does in the real world.

As a result, you cannot apply real world terms to any term given specific rules or requirements in the context of the game. To do so is to alter the rules based on real world situations, experiences, or knowledge. Or, as it's more commonly called, "house ruling."

So, in conclusion, disembarking is very different in 40k from its real world meaning, and when you are in a situation where you have not specifically disembarked, you cannot claim that you did so based on the fact that if that were a real Rhino, and those were real troops, in the real world, they'd have disembarked.

Leez wrote:
the BRB does though is us disembark as a regualar word when tells us how and when we can disembark.
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Disembarking, deploying, exiting from <vehicle>, placing on table from <vehicle>, etc., etc. are all the same thing.

And right there is the leap of logic where you're wrong. That last point is unsupported, and is actually in direct conflict with your previous claim.

The BRB does tell us how to disembark, and tell us when we can. Explodes does not use any of the supplied rules for disembarking or tell us it is disembarking.
It's unbelievably simple. It's not disembarking, by the rules.

SaintHazard wrote:RAW is very clear in this instance, you just have to know how to interpret RAW.

That's kind of the issue.

The RAW, in this case, comes down entirely to interpretation. Just choosing one and claiming that to be the only possible interpretation of RAW rarely ends well.


Since this has just been going around in circles for a while now, I think we're done.