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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/21 19:20:23
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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We know what it is, lol.
I'm rather disappointed that they chose the general as the TLS hero for Guard. I was hoping for the Inquisitor. Sucks that there's still going to be only one female TLS character yet again.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/21 22:16:57
Subject: Re:Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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So Lego, how is the Guard voice acting? Do they still sound like Ross Kemp?
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/21 22:38:36
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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[ADMIN]
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The corrupt ones are scottish for some reason, the lord general is proper english and the bog standard are the same ross kempish as before.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/21 22:53:01
Subject: Re:Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I guess I can live with that, he does have the moustache to go with the background. How did the lady Inquisitor sound? Posh?
Yes, I am a silly person for asking such trivial questions.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/21 23:10:01
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
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Hey, we're all curious about the voices. I'm just relieved they're not all Steve Blum.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/21 23:16:19
Subject: Re:Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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True enough.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/21 23:57:17
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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I wish the main character in the IG campaign was the Inquisitor instead of General Pornstache. Or at least the Lord Commissar, who looks rather dashing.
I'm not sure I can take his pornstache seriously, and I have to do that before I can take him seriously.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/22 00:00:17
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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But pornstaches are awesome!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/22 00:14:24
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
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I'm sorry, but General Freddie Mercury is awesome.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/22 00:16:32
Subject: Re:Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Now that you mention it..
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/22 09:26:59
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Do we have any pictures of aforementioned commanders? I know there were a few on the race packs.. but they're not particularly useful.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/22 16:23:32
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Widowmaker
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I am rather disappointed on how the IG hero look like
No matter how big that thing is...... still a lasgun
I for one would rather have Eldar Male lead
and IG Female lead, just to break the mold really
Those were the only two with switchable genders
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So far
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/22 16:30:47
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Retrias wrote:I am rather disappointed on how the IG hero look like
No matter how big that thing is...... still a lasgun
Actually...he's using an Astartes sniper rifle, not a longlas.
I for one would rather have Eldar Male lead
and IG Female lead, just to break the mold really
Those were the only two with switchable genders
Not really. The IG hasn't ever really had females in "high command" or even "field command" roles.
Simply put: Women don't tend towards being in the Imperial Guard's combat units. They tend to, much like most modern military examples, be in support roles like medical stations, intelligence collation, etc. Or hell, a large amount tend towards being recruited for the Imperial Navy and serve there as pilots for combat aircraft.
There's also very few cases of them making it into the Commissariat, mostly because women who would be selected for that are also in the same recruiting pool as the Sororitas and the Inquisition.
So...it's really just the Eldar that have "switchable genders" for command roles.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/22 16:36:34
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Kanluwen wrote:Retrias wrote:I am rather disappointed on how the IG hero look like
No matter how big that thing is...... still a lasgun
Actually...he's using an Astartes sniper rifle, not a longlas.
I for one would rather have Eldar Male lead
and IG Female lead, just to break the mold really
Those were the only two with switchable genders
Not really. The IG hasn't ever really had females in "high command" or even "field command" roles.
Cain does not agree.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/22 16:50:45
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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I don't take Cain seriously. Simply put, it's too much like "propaganda" to me.
Pretty much every piece of background I've read has no Lady Generals or even female Generals/Captains.
Why? Because females just aren't that common within the Imperial Guard. Even the Cadians and Tanith, two of the biggest equal opportunity Guard regiments, have no females(that I've read about at least) in "high/field command" roles. There's Tona Criid, but she's in charge of a platoon and that's it.
And again: The female members of the Guard do get coopted by the Imperial Navy or Inquisition in higher numbers than their male counterparts it seems. So you'll likely find those female Guardsmen with the command potential in liasion roles on board Navy vessels or in Inquisitorial retinues.
Edit: Did a bit of self-censure.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/22 17:03:34
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Ok, you disregard background stories at your own leisure. Discussion end.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/22 17:11:44
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Soladrin wrote:Ok, you disregard background stories at your own leisure. Discussion end.
The point was more that it's one example versus the dozens of other ones countering that example. It's not common for the Imperial Guard to have female combat or strategic commanders. It's more common to see women in the upper echelons of the Inquisition, the Imperial Navy, and the Ecclesiarchy than the Guard and its supporting organizations(the Commissariat, for example, has only one well-known female Commissar; Commissar-General Balshin).
Whether this is an oversight in the background material or meant to reflect the way that alot of real world military institutes operate is up for debate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/22 19:21:00
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Actually, there was, until she was killed by daemonically-warped children the size of dreadnoughts who were possessed by dead spirits, was in charge of the Screaming Eagles Guardsmen.
See the fourth book in the Ultramarines series: The Killing Ground.
But yes, most women in service to the Imperium are in the Sister's of Battle and such.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/22 19:24:24
Subject: Re:Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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All I can think of is bring on the bra burner.
In all seriousness, Cain is canon. Sadly as canon as the horrible Soulban and Goto novels, they are, I shall hate myself for saying this, canon. As much as I'd like to be selective about it, I can't. Unless it was written before a certain era, like Space Marine. Which has officially been deemed a heretical tome. Don't know about the Draco trilogy though. I just guess not many authors have the balls and wits to write about girls in flak. Sure, girls in power armour or really, really tight leather outfits are easy, but girl soldiers? Now if only BL would hire the female equivalent of Henry Zou..
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/22 19:27:52
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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*Nods and grins* "I have no idea what you're on about! Fantastic!"
In all honesty, I skim-read that and I'm tired. Go figure.
Anyway, anybody got some more news on the game or not? I'll assume the latter and wait for on-topic discussion to resume.
Heh. Me not being part of off-topicness. That's a new one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/22 19:28:55
Subject: Re:Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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I'm waiting for play.com to put up for pre-order already. Then I'll play the waiting game and wait for the full version, no betas for me, I avoid multiplayer like the plague.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/22 19:31:53
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Play.com already has it up for £29.99.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/22 19:32:48
Subject: Re:Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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I meant the Collectors Edition!
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!!! Automatically Appended Next Post: Well, so much for trusting those donkey-caves to send you a mail when they have it on pre-order. Okay, pre-order done, now the waiting game commences.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/23 09:03:15
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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They emailed me  .
I really need to get round to ordering that game..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/23 16:14:15
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Just found this, no clue how I missed it.
http://community.dawnofwar2.com/blog-post/imperial-guard-campaign-heroes
“I’ll toughen you up, or use you up. Perhaps both, as the Imperium requires.” – Lord General Castor
The Imperial Guard is the new race being introduced in Dawn of War II: Retribution, but their increased presence in sub-sector Aurelia comes amidst a great deal of danger. Daemonic incursions, the continued presence of xenos filth, renegade guardsmen, and now accusations that the Chapter Master of the Blood Ravens is under some kind of influence from the Warp. Things have to be set right, one way or the other, and it is fresh eyes that are free from the corruption in sub-sector Aurelia that are going to make the assessment at the request of Gabriel Angelos. So enter Lord General Castor of the Imperial Guard and Inquisitor Adrastia into the maelstrom.
The Imperial Guard of Cadia have recently entered sub-sector Aurelia en masse to combat the constant xenos and daemonic threats that plague it. The Imperial Guard is commanded by Lord General Castor, who arrives feeling nothing but contempt for the guardsmen deployed in the area. He is there to clean up a mess that has been allowed to grow and fester thanks to their incompetence. Castor has the tools and authority at his disposal to make this happen. Bionic enhancements enable Castor to wield large guns one-handed, such as his initial rifle which grants the ability High Powered Shot, that can drop xenos infantry from long range. He may also call for Valkyrie Support to reinforce his own infantry. As a Lord General though, his authority is wide ranging and he can call in the big guns for further reinforcement, such as the Valkyrie Leman Russ Drop. Where and when he needs it, the massive Leman Russ tank is flown in to take the fight to the enemy. Make no mistake, reinforcements of this kind will be needed.
Adrastia, an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor, is using the Lord General and a few others to aid in her investigation into whether or not the allegations against Chapter Master Kyras are accurate. This mission could save or doom the sector to the cold hand of the Exterminatus, which will wipe out all life in the sub-sector to cleanse the contaminated worlds and prevent the spread of the xenos and heretical threats. Adrastia will use any means at her disposal to investigate Kyras, and she is not afraid to get her hands dirty in the process. Her base ability in the campaign is Hammer of the Witches, a stun that effects a single target and causes it to burst into flames. Purgatus is an ability that is unlocked at later levels, and creates an expanding ring of flame. Those infantry units inside the ring get stunned while those standing on the flame ring as the ability concludes its effects take massive damage.
Sergeant Merrick is a practical addition to the group. He is a veteran guardsman and has seen extensive combat over the last decade. Merrick’s world view is in sharp contrast to the others, as he fights for his squadmates and brothers in arms first, and the Imperium second. His experience fighting has taught him a great deal about the sub-sector’s worlds, and Merrick’s base ability is Infiltrate, allowing him to go undetected by enemies and gather intelligence. His Flare ability reveals an area, causing enemies in it to take extra damage, and at higher levels he can also call in an Artillery Barrage on his active flares. He may be a bit bitter and cynical, but the good Sergeant can fix most problems with some well directed firepower.
Commissar Lord Bernn travels with the group to ensure the support of the guardsmen that are recruited and requisitioned to get the job done. Few things can motivate the rank and file like a Commissar and his pistol. Lord Bernn’s base ability in the campaign is in fact Execute, which eliminates a coward from a squad, causing the rest of the squad members to become immune to suppression and deal more damage. Several of Lord Bernn’s abilities at later levels are triggered from or enhance the effects of his Execute ability, such as Till the Last! With this ability, using Execute will make the squad and Lord Bernn himself temporarily invulnerable. It’s always a good idea to keep a few extra squads around so that Commissar Lord Bernn can properly inspire the guardsmen.
The start of the Imperial Guard campaign in Dawn of War II: Retribution opens with Inquisitor Adrastia and Lord General Castor beginning their mission in a subtle fashion. They are gathering intelligence on Typhon and looking to recruit further assistance from the guardsmen there. There is little time to waste however, the investigation of the Blood Ravens Chapter Master must be concluded before the arrival of the full weight of the Inquisition.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/23 16:43:14
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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You missed that?
Ah well, it's all looking good. It sounds like we'll have other infantry units under our command in the campaign.. I mean, if we didn't then the IG would be pretty screwed..
Besides, the idea of four people taking on everything is even more stupid than Blood Ravens with 3-4 man squads that have seemingly endless reinforcements yet cannot field decent unit sizes.. pfft.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/23 19:18:28
Subject: Re:Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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I like the idea of calling in Russ support.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/23 19:28:31
Subject: Re:Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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BrookM wrote:I like the idea of calling in Russ support on my own men.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/23 19:51:53
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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I just wonder if you will be controlling a few squads of "they don't matter" Guardsmen/Conscripts during the battles, just so you can make sacrifices/tactical distractions. I just can't imagine an Imperial Guard force without them.
Maybe a limited amount of Guardmen are allowed to be deployed per mission with the Characters commanding their own retinue? Or maybe make them attachable?
A Commissar that is not in a squad just makes me cringe...
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+1 Str for like 5 points? To autocannons or assault cannons? Hell yea. Then the Reinforced Aegis upgrade for free AND the ability to ignore stunned shaken.. pretty much for free..
Other Dreadnaughts should just go somewhere and be a toaster.
Mattieu~~~~ It's not that eldar are bad, it's that they require a lot of intergration between units. Also, that doesnt prove anything other than GW has a huge hard-on for marines, and, given the option between making a xeno the best psykers or making a marine the best psyker, they will 9 times out of 10 choose the marine.
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Tzeentchling9 wrote:Mephy can't be swept. He is still a marine so he has the, "And They Shall Never Get Removed From The Table After Losing Combat Like Everyone Else Because They Are The Poster Boys" special rule.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/23 20:06:19
Subject: Dawn of War 2: Retribution
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Depends on the mission, but yes, in some missions you will be doing just that. Perhaps most of them, perhaps only some.
Also, commissars are upgrades to squads. The Commissar Lord is, like his tabletop variant, an independent character like any hero.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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