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Nicholas wrote:
Are we not admitting that both Eldar and Necrons are superior to the IOM in tech. As of now the IOM IS the biggest Empire in the 40K fluff. Eldar were better then failed, Necrons were better and could be better but they are sleeping, if ork's could ever unify IOM is in huge trouble, chaos isn't an Empire it's a force that affects everyone and want no form of social order, and if Tau keep growing then they will be a big problem, and their is no doubt the Imperium is in trouble. But as of now they are the most successful race in 40K.

The Imperium isn't a massive empire so much as a collection of empires. There is no meaningful central control, and most organisations within it have their own agenda and would gladly see their "allies" burn if it would further their own goals. In technology they are inferior to Necrons, Eldar and even some Orks and, unlike their competition, they aren't advancing because of their superstitions. In size, they are large-but because of the massive distances between worlds and their unreliable Warp usage they can rarely co-ordinate their efforts, and as such every planet is pretty much an independent nation that can never fully rely on their fellow worlds. Only through tyranny and oppression can they keep themselves from collapsing. Meanwhile, their military is overstretched, their government is corrupt and their enemies outnumber them by millions to one. And, no matter what they do, they are destined to lose as their very existence fuels the Chaos Gods.
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.


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Brother Coa wrote:
That's not the point. I know all these things are true, even so Imperium is quite powerful entity in the galaxy ( read codex: the most powerful political entity in the galaxy ). I never said that Imperium is so powerful that can defeat Chaos Gods, nor that it can exterminate Orks nor that can defeat everyone at the same time. But Imperiun can exterminate Tau if they want to - and that's a fact. And they are not pure, nor did I said that. I only implemented that Imperium is necessary for continued Human survival as without it galaxy would be like Earth today with who knows how many Human empires. And they would all fall one by one.
An I am with the Imperium because I am with my race ( unlike some people here, traitors ).

See above.

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Who in the GDotFF isn't split with infighting, though? The Tyranids, I suppose, but that's it. Orks go to war with orks as a matter of course, Chaos fights itself constantly. The Craftworld Eldar are mostly loyal to their craftworld, but the different craftworlds are divided. Dark Eldar make treachery and murder a lifestyle. Even the Tau have the farsight enclaves holding out against the empire proper. Everyone's divided, and if the Imperium is moreso, that's largely because there are just more groups to be divided into.

As far as the daemons, Nicholas is right that they aren't a proper military in the same way as the other armies. Their numbers are beyond counting, sure, but in the warp. In the material universe, which the other armies fight over, the daemonic power is severely restricted. They almost function more like a natural disaster than an interstellar empire.

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

TrollPie wrote: Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them.

Wrong, just remember 3'rd War for Armageddon. Who answered the call? ( Imperial Gaurd, SoB, Space Marines )
Or 13'th Black Crusade.

They aren't united in means of territory. They are united in means of the nececity of the situation and their faith. And they are the single most unified thing in the galaxy.

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote: Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them.

Wrong, just remember 3'rd War for Armageddon. Who answered the call? ( Imperial Gaurd, SoB, Space Marines )
Or 13'th Black Crusade.

They aren't united in means of territory. They are united in means of the nececity of the situation and their faith. And they are the single most unified thing in the galaxy.

I wouldn't say most unified. Tau, Tyranid, perhaps Eldar( Not DE) are more unified.

Still alot more than trollpie is saying

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote: Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them.

Wrong, just remember 3'rd War for Armageddon. Who answered the call? ( Imperial Gaurd, SoB, Space Marines )
Or 13'th Black Crusade.

They aren't united in means of territory. They are united in means of the nececity of the situation and their faith. And they are the single most unified thing in the galaxy.

Can't rely. Thanks to Warp travel you can never be sure that anyone will help, and, if so, if they'll arrive in time. Major conflicts will always have reinforcements coming, since far more troops are dispatched in the first place.

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote: Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them.

Wrong, just remember 3'rd War for Armageddon. Who answered the call? ( Imperial Gaurd, SoB, Space Marines )
Or 13'th Black Crusade.

They aren't united in means of territory. They are united in means of the nececity of the situation and their faith. And they are the single most unified thing in the galaxy.

Can't rely. Thanks to Warp travel you can never be sure that anyone will help, and, if so, if they'll arrive in time. Major conflicts will always have reinforcements coming, since far more troops are dispatched in the first place.

So obviously when need be they can help each other, it isn't that unreliable because of the astronomican.

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.


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Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.

There

Nicholas wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.

There

And so the chain of quotes goes ever on.

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.

There

And so the chain of quotes goes ever on.

And on, and on, until the MODquisition

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.

There

And so the chain of quotes goes ever on.

And on, and on, until the MODquisition

It'd be pretty hilarious if they just popped up screaming, "Noooooobody expects the Modquisition!"

King Pariah wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.


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Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.

There

And so the chain of quotes goes ever on.

And on, and on, until the MODquisition

It'd be pretty hilarious if they just popped up screaming, "Noooooobody expects the Modquisition!"

Unfortunately I must leave you all to continue the infinite quote.

Nicholas wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.

There

And so the chain of quotes goes ever on.

And on, and on, until the MODquisition

It'd be pretty hilarious if they just popped up screaming, "Noooooobody expects the Modquisition!"

Unfortunately I must leave you all to continue the infinite quote.

And so we will.

Thread has markerlights on it.

C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.

There

And so the chain of quotes goes ever on.

And on, and on, until the MODquisition

It'd be pretty hilarious if they just popped up screaming, "Noooooobody expects the Modquisition!"

Unfortunately I must leave you all to continue the infinite quote.

And so we will.

Should we talk about something else now?

Dingdoodah wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.

There

And so the chain of quotes goes ever on.

And on, and on, until the MODquisition

It'd be pretty hilarious if they just popped up screaming, "Noooooobody expects the Modquisition!"

Unfortunately I must leave you all to continue the infinite quote.

And so we will.

Should we talk about something else now?

Only if you want to do it in really long quotes.

Nicholas wrote:

Dingdoodah wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.

There

And so the chain of quotes goes ever on.

And on, and on, until the MODquisition

It'd be pretty hilarious if they just popped up screaming, "Noooooobody expects the Modquisition!"

Unfortunately I must leave you all to continue the infinite quote.

And so we will.

Should we talk about something else now?

Only if you want to do it in really long quotes.

Whoa... I leave for like, 12 hours, and this.... this... work of art is born?? I feel like this should somehow be commemorated.

hellspawn22 wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

Dingdoodah wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.

There

And so the chain of quotes goes ever on.

And on, and on, until the MODquisition

It'd be pretty hilarious if they just popped up screaming, "Noooooobody expects the Modquisition!"

Unfortunately I must leave you all to continue the infinite quote.

And so we will.

Should we talk about something else now?

Only if you want to do it in really long quotes.

Whoa... I leave for like, 12 hours, and this.... this... work of art is born?? I feel like this should somehow be commemorated.

Just think if we can get one post to be as long as a page we will become gods and own the Internetz

Nicholas wrote:

hellspawn22 wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

Dingdoodah wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.


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Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.

There

And so the chain of quotes goes ever on.

And on, and on, until the MODquisition

It'd be pretty hilarious if they just popped up screaming, "Noooooobody expects the Modquisition!"

Unfortunately I must leave you all to continue the infinite quote.

And so we will.

Should we talk about something else now?

Only if you want to do it in really long quotes.

Whoa... I leave for like, 12 hours, and this.... this... work of art is born?? I feel like this should somehow be commemorated.

Just think if we can get one post to be as long as a page we will become gods and own the Internetz

Well I think that this is a worthy goal! Is there any limit on how long a post can be?

hellspawn22 wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

hellspawn22 wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

Dingdoodah wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Why didn't you quote me? Then we could have had:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
In short, the Imperium isn't the dominant faction in 40k. That title would go to Chaos, if anything.

True, Imperium is most powerful when it comes to military might in the galaxy and unity. Chaos is stronger because Chaos work on a different level ( in another realm ), witch is basicly cheating. But we have many ways to overcome them ( Necron pylons, the Tau, the Eldar, Grey Knights... ). And aldo Imperium is decentralized empire all planets work together in the Imperium toward the grater good of Mankind. Since they all know that they will stand together or die alone.

In military might Necrons or Daemons take the cake. And, while everyone in the Imperium is working towards the survival of mankind, they will always place their own lives above those of the masses. As I said, every organisation has their own agenda and won't necassarily serve just the Imperium.


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Brother Coa wrote:
For TrollPie: "The Imperium is the largest and most powerful political entity in the galaxy, consisting of at least a million worlds, which are dispersed across most of the Milky Way galaxy. Consequently, an Imperial planet might be separated from its closest neighbor by hundreds or thousands of light years. As a stellar empire, the size of the Imperium can not be measured in terms of continuous territory, but only in the number of planetary systems in its control."

Political entity. Emphasis on that; while technically they are united under one banner, in reality corruption, backstabbing and treachery are rife.

Your still missing the point the Imperium is the most powerful Empire in the 40K universe at this moment that is a fact stated in canon, nobody is saying that this is changing, because that also is canon. You talk about backstabbing and infighting being the reason why the Imperium is weak, yet call chaos more powerful. The necrons right now are not stronger than the Imperium, they could be but they are not now. I don't know why you think demons are more powerful because 1. they are not an empire and 2. They are one of the rarest things in 40K because they need the veil to be thin between worlds. Every empire will eventually have infighting as well, Eldar war in heaven, Tau farsight, Orks do it 24/7, C'tan eat each other. Chaos backstab twice as much as the IOM, in reality of 40K we are all screwed

Again, it isn't a completely united empire. Each planet is a semi-independent nation that's often hundreds of light years from their nearest neighbour. Every aspect of the Imperium is scattered across the galaxy and can't rely on anyone helping them. If the Imperium was more densely packed and Warp travel was more reliable, they would be the most powerful force in the galaxy. As it is, they are in no way dominant.
Edit: And the War in Heaven wasn't a civil war.

Source for them not being able to help each other, we do have warp drives. It is said explicitly in fluff that they are currently the dominant race, and that they are falling, who right now in this moment in 40K has more power than the IOM, without making up scenarios that may or may not happen such as orks uniting, Necrons waking up, or a massive hole tearing through reality allowing all the demons to come through.

Warp dries are the problem: they're so unreliable. The fractured and scattered state of the Imperium means that while their total power may be greater than that of any other force, they can't apply it effectively. The Imperium is the most powerful empire as a whole, but they aren't dominant- in the same way a lion is the most powerful creature in the forest, but it doesn't have power over the pack of hyenas.

Anyway, this is off topic and I'm going to lose this arguement. Lets pretend it never happened and that I'm the genius you all used to think I am...

It is dominant, It isn't fighting a pack of hyenas that assumes it's enemies are unified, it's more like a lion fighting a cheeta a hyena a tiger and a wolf who are all also fighting each other. We should get back on topic though, anyone remember what we were talking about.

From OP:
"How large is the Tau Empire? In respects to the Imperium? ANd who are the Tau's biggest threat?"
That was answered on page one...so what have we been talking about for the last six and a half pages?

We were both sort of calling each other fanboys over and over Oh well it happens sometimes I blame GW

That always happens with Tau threads.

See what could have been? SEE???

You are right so much wasted potential I shall have to make up for it.

There

And so the chain of quotes goes ever on.

And on, and on, until the MODquisition

It'd be pretty hilarious if they just popped up screaming, "Noooooobody expects the Modquisition!"

Unfortunately I must leave you all to continue the infinite quote.

And so we will.

Should we talk about something else now?

Only if you want to do it in really long quotes.

Whoa... I leave for like, 12 hours, and this.... this... work of art is born?? I feel like this should somehow be commemorated.

Just think if we can get one post to be as long as a page we will become gods and own the Internetz

Well I think that this is a worthy goal! Is there any limit on how long a post can be?

No Idea we shall see