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I expect when the new codex comes out we will see an increase in expansion or tech (in fluff terms) to make the Tau a much more formidable race in such they will be much more than a blip on the intergalactic map.

Right now they are protected from the Imperium because it would just be too bothersome to take them out. I hope they are expanded to the point where it becomes very obvious that it was a mistake to leave them alone for so long.

Jayden63 wrote:I expect when the new codex comes out we will see an increase in expansion or tech (in fluff terms) to make the Tau a much more formidable race in such they will be much more than a blip on the intergalactic map.

Right now they are protected from the Imperium because it would just be too bothersome to take them out. I hope they are expanded to the point where it becomes very obvious that it was a mistake to leave them alone for so long.

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Well the problem with that is their skim drive, unless the somehow increase the speed they're gonna experinece rebelllions ( look at Farsight as an example) because of the less comunication between the T'au and the other worlds.

Fluff gets changed all the time. Anything could be written in the next codex and it would have to be taken as cannon. You never know.

Jayden63 wrote:I expect when the new codex comes out we will see an increase in expansion or tech (in fluff terms) to make the Tau a much more formidable race in such they will be much more than a blip on the intergalactic map.

Isn't the whole point of the Tau that they're like dozens of other minor alien empires in the galaxy? They might have more potential than most, but their character is still very much an insignicant but slowly growing force on the world stage. I feel that just making them a major faction would remove that idea and make them more dull.

Jayden63 wrote:Fluff gets changed all the time. Anything could be written in the next codex and it would have to be taken as cannon. You never know.

So you're hoping for a retcon so that the Tau suddenly become bigger and more powerful for no logical reason?

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Jayden63 wrote:I expect when the new codex comes out we will see an increase in expansion or tech (in fluff terms) to make the Tau a much more formidable race in such they will be much more than a blip on the intergalactic map.

Isn't the whole point of the Tau that they're like dozens of other minor alien empires in the galaxy? They might have more potential than most, but their character is still very much an insignicant but slowly growing force on the world stage. I feel that just making them a major faction would remove that idea and make them more dull.

Jayden63 wrote:Fluff gets changed all the time. Anything could be written in the next codex and it would have to be taken as cannon. You never know.

So you're hoping for a retcon so that the Tau suddenly become bigger and more powerful for no logical reason?

The Tau are expanding, they develop a superior FTL, expand faster, unite more factions, create more technology, life goes on.

I don't see why the Tau would need any real retcons if GW just progresses their story. Though I'd be good with a total re-write but I don't see that ever happening. They have a pretty poorly written section of fluff that has lots of contradictions in dates and numbers. Hopefully we get a better dex down the road.

Last time Tau failed in researching faster FTL ( Medusa Campaing), unless they get past their lack psyker, only options is that they somehow magically invent their own version of the Inertialess Drive.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
The Tau are expanding, they develop a superior FTL, expand faster, unite more factions, create more technology, life goes on.

Not quickly enough unless the timeline jumps forward a thousand years or so. After the Medusa Campaign didn't an Ethereal ban, or at least restrict, further research into Warp-based faster-than-light travel? Non-Warp based faster-than-light travel is only seen in Tyranids (though I dislike that retcon) and Necrons; the Tau don't come anywhere near either of those two, and unless the Tau will gain greater technology than humanity had during the Dark Age of Technology, then they're stuck with their currect version. They're also hitting into greater Imperial resistance, so their expansion can't go that quickly unless they're indirectly helping by yet another great threat to the Imperium.

iproxtaco wrote:If a C'tan were behind the growth of the Tau then there never would have been any Warp Storm.

I read a passage online about the theory of the creation of the Tau, but I dont remeber where I read it from since it was a while back. But basicly the Eldar made them as their answer to the threat of Chaos. I guess that would make sense what with all the odd praise the eldar bestow upon them.

You guys are missing the point. It wouldn't need to be a massive story breaking change to make the Tau more interesting.

Personally, I would love to see the Tau grow to become a major threat in their neck of the woods. I can't think of any reason why anyone wouldn't want more scraps between IoM and Tau! Advance the fluff and keep the fights going!

I actually think GW did a good job with Tau fluff. They are supposed to be tiny and inconsequential. Anyway, if the IoM put any effort into it, the Tau would be crushed. Unfortunately, they never will, because that wouldn't make any sense from an out-of-universe perspective. But I do think it's comical how wrong the Tau are on their estimates of the Imperium. They seem so smart, too. I wonder what they would think if they found out just how epic the Imperium is...

Tau are meant to be a part of the greater picture. They are the foremost among the "emerging Alien empires" which together are further draining Imperial resources in war after war. The Reek Worldweave, Ulimeathic League, and Dracolith World Church were cited as other such fledging Empires.

People often underestimate how much force the IoM would need to destroy the Tau Empire entirely in any regard. It would be a large undertaking. I honestly don't think commanders on the Eastern Fringe could get enough resources from the Adeptus Terra given ongoing conflicts like the 13th Black Crusade, Tyranid Splinter Fleets, and Armageddon Wars.

There is something that always struck me as odd about how the IoM handles the tau. First fight they don't send the needed troops and they recall them right before they are about to drop a virus bomb. Happens again with taros. Then there was the Zeist campaign. That had a bunch of SM all ready to clean out the tau, but they where also recalled. One time is accident, twice is quiescence, but three times is enemy action. The IoM seems to be actively avoiding wining. It could be that the IoM is just stupid, but I like to theory that there is something more sinister going on. Someone high up in the IoM is shielding the tau.


Crazy idea I know, but wouldn't it be fun if that was the case.

Probably the Illuminati. Not the in-universe Illuminati. The ones we here in M2 know and love.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
Not quickly enough unless the timeline jumps forward a thousand years or so. After the Medusa Campaign didn't an Ethereal ban, or at least restrict, further research into Warp-based faster-than-light travel? Non-Warp based faster-than-light travel is only seen in Tyranids (though I dislike that retcon) and Necrons; the Tau don't come anywhere near either of those two, and unless the Tau will gain greater technology than humanity had during the Dark Age of Technology, then they're stuck with their currect version. They're also hitting into greater Imperial resistance, so their expansion can't go that quickly unless they're indirectly helping by yet another great threat to the Imperium.

There is no way for the other FTL drive, Humans during the Golden Age were even more advanced than the Eldar in some fields. And yet, only Warp technology was proven fast enough for them to colonize the galaxy, with their 2'nd fastest tech they needed some 30 - 50 years toward nearest star. The only way for Tau to advance to that level is to replicate Necron teleportation tech. But since every peace of Necron tech is "disappearing" from the battlefield after every battle touch luck on that. There is one other solution, to trade with Eldar. But they think of Humanity as children and about Tau even less + they are racist so good luck capturing one Craftworld.

Brother Coa wrote:
The only way for Tau to advance to that level is to replicate Necron teleportation tech. But since every peace of Necron tech is "disappearing" from the battlefield after every battle touch luck on that.

I remember reading somewhere that what specimens are managed to be recovered have a habit if driving the observer insane under any sort of close study.
So yeah, no one's getting any true Necron tech for themselves without some cheating.

EDIT: Messed up quotes.

Brother Coa wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
Not quickly enough unless the timeline jumps forward a thousand years or so. After the Medusa Campaign didn't an Ethereal ban, or at least restrict, further research into Warp-based faster-than-light travel? Non-Warp based faster-than-light travel is only seen in Tyranids (though I dislike that retcon) and Necrons; the Tau don't come anywhere near either of those two, and unless the Tau will gain greater technology than humanity had during the Dark Age of Technology, then they're stuck with their currect version. They're also hitting into greater Imperial resistance, so their expansion can't go that quickly unless they're indirectly helping by yet another great threat to the Imperium.

There is no way for the other FTL drive, Humans during the Golden Age were even more advanced than the Eldar in some fields. And yet, only Warp technology was proven fast enough for them to colonize the galaxy, with their 2'nd fastest tech they needed some 30 - 50 years toward nearest star. The only way for Tau to advance to that level is to replicate Necron teleportation tech. But since every peace of Necron tech is "disappearing" from the battlefield after every battle touch luck on that. There is one other solution, to trade with Eldar. But they think of Humanity as children and about Tau even less + they are racist so good luck capturing one Craftworld.

Actually Eldar think of Tau as a promising, intelligent new race. There were a few quotes about it in the 3rd edition codex.

There's one. From Eldrad, and he's dead.

But Eldrad was pretty intelligent now that I think about it. Apart from trying to take a Blackstone Fortress with nothing but a few sphess elfs and a fancy dress. Still, I suppose you can't criticise him for making the effort.

I actually have heard that the Eldar think of the Tau as a promising new race, but that doesn't mean cooperation is in the cards. The Tau might not like the Eldar. I mean this in a sense of the Tau not believing that they need the help. They don't believe humans when they say they have a million worlds, so why would they believe a gay-looking human who just walked out of thin air with depressing news on how everyone is screwed?

The Necrons invented their own technology. I don't see why the Tau can't too.

When Apple were designing the original windows mouse pointer interface, they saw the Xerox PARC Labs where they were working on a similar interface. One of the big problems in that kind of interface is how to make the computer not draw the bits of windows that are hidden behind the visible windows. Without this, you need an ubber powerful computer to draw everything, which wasn’t possible in about 1980, as a desktop model.

At Xerox PARC, the engineers had got around the problem by designing some really clever code to sort out the problem. Knowing this, the Apple engineers set to and designed their own code.

Thing was, the Xerox engineers had not actually conquered the problem, they were in fact using brute force (i..e a very powerful processor) to draw the graphics.

Cool story bro.

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Kilkrazy wrote:
The Necrons invented their own technology. I don't see why the Tau can't too.

So very wrong. Necrons have some tech but the tech they have now ( their bodies, their weapons, Monoliths and their FTL drive ) was all given by the C'Tan. Read the Necrontyr history, their own FTL tech was even worse than Tau one.

And as I sad Humanity in the Golden Age was more advanced than Tau now, and even they didn't find anything beside warp drive.


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TrollPie wrote:Actually Eldar think of Tau as a promising, intelligent new race. There were a few quotes about it in the 3rd edition codex.

The Taldeer ( one of the most famous Farssers ) have told to Tau Ethereal: "Naive Child."

So the C'Tan invented the Necron technology. I don't see why the Tau can't too.

It isn't space magick.

Kilkrazy wrote:So the C'Tan invented the Necron technology. I don't see why the Tau can't too.

It isn't space magick.

C'tan is not a moral being...he is a divine being. And that tech IS magic ( teleporting across space in just a few seconds ). And it was design so that no race can't get aces to it ( like parts of it just teleporting away after being damaged ).

An I am pretty sure that Tau will have technological apocalypse long before they even start to understand the Necron tech.

Well the tau will probably only stay in their small part of the Galaxy.

Kilkrazy wrote:
So the C'Tan invented the Necron technology. I don't see why the Tau can't too.

Because it essentially makes very other species out to be (comparatively, at least) idiots. The Tau get done in a few thousand years which only the C'tan were able to achieve (Tyranids don't really count in the same way, since the only I can actually see that working is through using Warp power)? Then presumably their weapons and spacecraft will be far superior to any other faction (apart from the Necrons).

Brother Coa wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:
The Necrons invented their own technology. I don't see why the Tau can't too.

So very wrong. Necrons have some tech but the tech they have now ( their bodies, their weapons, Monoliths and their FTL drive ) was all given by the C'Tan. Read the Necrontyr history, their own FTL tech was even worse than Tau one.

And as I sad Humanity in the Golden Age was more advanced than Tau now, and even they didn't find anything beside warp drive.


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TrollPie wrote:Actually Eldar think of Tau as a promising, intelligent new race. There were a few quotes about it in the 3rd edition codex.

The Taldeer ( one of the most famous Farssers ) have told to Tau Ethereal: "Naive Child."

They created necrodermis before ever actually communicating with the C'tan

Retribution wrote:
They created necrodermis before ever actually communicating with the C'tan

Ok for that, but i am talking about their FTL and their weapons tech. And that body then was not nearly enough advanced like this one today, I think.

Brother Coa wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:So the C'Tan invented the Necron technology. I don't see why the Tau can't too.

It isn't space magick.

C'tan is not a moral being...he is a divine being. And that tech IS magic ( teleporting across space in just a few seconds ). And it was design so that no race can't get aces to it ( like parts of it just teleporting away after being damaged ).

An I am pretty sure that Tau will have technological apocalypse long before they even start to understand the Necron tech.

"Divine" does not mean the same in the 40K universe as it does IRL. In 40K it just means very powerful and not fully understood. To quote Arthur C Clarke, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".

C'Tan or Necron technology isn't magic, though, and technologists who do not believe in magic will take the existence of an unknown technology as evidence that it can be recreated.

That was the point of my story about the Apple engineers. They merely needed to believe that a technological solution was possible, and they invented it from scratch.

The Tau do not need to capture Necron technology to know that it is capable of teleportation. The IoM is also capable of teleportation. It would certainly be helpful to capture some, however merely knowing it exists tells the Tau that they can create their own system.

Kilkrazy wrote:
The Tau do not need to capture Necron technology to know that it is capable of teleportation. The IoM is also capable of teleportation. It would certainly be helpful to capture some, however merely knowing it exists tells the Tau that they can create their own system.

Yes, they physically can create it. That does not mean that they will be able to do so any time soon, or even that they can create the required materials at their current technological level. Simply because it is possible does not make it remotely likely that the Tau will be capable of something only the C'tan could achieve (and even then, we don't know why or how they were capable of it but the Necrontyr seemed unable to. Perhaps the C'tan or the Warp are necessary).