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Exciting stuff. Defiance seems to be aiming big, even Mantic-sized. Here's hoping all of these plans come to fruition. I would REALLY like this to work out, even if only for the models.

Thanks a lot for the informative posts Xeno!

Certainly this has piqued my interest now, and I'm sure people will take this project a lot more seriously.

It sounds interesting so far, so definitely looking forward to what comes next

plastictrees wrote:Xeno: Have you seen other pictures of finished models/prototypes? I got the impression from the Marine mini that they're shooting for something closer to 25mm than the 28-32mm that were seeing from a lot of companies at the moment, is that the case?

I've seen a size comparison using one of the 3D prints (there were several and bastards didn't send one to me ). A Defiance Marine stands about the same height as a space marine and slightly shorter than a Wargames Factory shock trooper, plus about 1mm taller than a Pig Iron system trooper. Basically, they're about as tall as a Cadian but a good deal slimmer. The proportions are semi-heroic, 1/56 scale.

On the Valkyrie: I might be wrong on this, but I do believe the concept is that the Valkyrie is more akin to an Appleseed Landmate than the USMC powered armor (which should be about 40mm high, give or take). They will, proportion-wise, probably shape up to be about the same size as a Tau battlesuit (though I can totally, utterly assure you that using them as a proxy never once crossed any of our minds.

What that means is that those "thunderthighs" actually contain the pilot's entire legs, rather than just the forelegs, similar this:

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The suit you're seeing is actually quite big, though there is another, much bigger one down the line (think VOTOMs size), but that's WAY down the line and it'll belong to one of the stranger human factions in the Alien War universe.

Xeno wrote:On the Valkyrie: I might be wrong on this, but I do believe the concept is that the Valkyrie is more akin to an Appleseed Landmate than the USMC powered armor (which should be about 40mm high, give or take). They will, proportion-wise, probably shape up to be about the same size as a Tau battlesuit (though I can totally, utterly assure you that using them as a proxy never once crossed any of our minds.

What that means is that those "thunderthighs" actually contain the pilot's entire legs, rather than just the forelegs, similar this:

I hope not. The shape doesn't seem right for a Landmate-style walker, and it would make more sense for the more advanced hardsuits to be smaller, not bigger, so that they can get the benefits of being a walker. Plus, I personally would like the hardsuit more if it's a PA suit than a mecha.

That said, you could have the pilot's legs inside the walker's thighs, which would make it something like this:

That picture reminds me horribly of economy class on China airlines!

Ah, apparently I was wrong about the size: the Valkyrie suit will be roughly the same size as the USMC suit, though light and with less armor for more maneuverability. I'm also going to guess that they float like a butterfly and sting like a cruise missile.

Also, Alex, if you don't mind I'm going to link your image to the playtesting forums. As the Valkyries are still a work-in-progress, it'll certainly be a useful item for refining the proportions (which do look a little off, the more I look at it; mainly, the torso seems a good deal too long).

Xeno wrote:Also, Alex, if you don't mind I'm going to link your image to the playtesting forums. As the Valkyries are still a work-in-progress, it'll certainly be a useful item for refining the proportions (which do look a little off, the more I look at it; mainly, the torso seems a good deal too long).

If you think it can help, go right ahead. Just keep in mind that the proportions can vary, depending on how many suit joints are aligned with the pilot's joints.

Somehow I don't think, based of revised information, the legs are going to be entirely within the suit's thighs. Also, that looks frikkin' uncomfortable!

The arrangement should be standard powered-armor configuration, then. Who knows what the justification will be for the large thighs (though I'm bettin' on jumpjets).

Longtime Lurker of the forum, but decided to register today. Anyway, i hope i get some of Brazilians in this game, but they will probably be China Vassals or something like that. Like everyone i really like the art & some of the fluff, but the Minis don't really look all that impressive, but patiently waiting for some news on the game & the minis

I can't speak for everyone but defiance look quite promising to me.I think i will keep an eye on this thread.

JetKinen wrote:Longtime Lurker of the forum, but decided to register today. Anyway, i hope i get some of Brazilians in this game, but they will probably be China Vassals or something like that. Like everyone i really like the art & some of the fluff, but the Minis don't really look all that impressive, but patiently waiting for some news on the game & the minis

Have they shown minis other than that one marine?

Xeno wrote:Somehow I don't think, based of revised information, the legs are going to be entirely within the suit's thighs. Also, that looks frikkin' uncomfortable!

Fair enough, it was just an idea. At least the problem with the ergonomics was just "would this be too uncomfortable to sit in?" and not "do we need to pull the pilot's arms out of their sockets?"

Panzer Grenadier looks fantastic. Can't wait to see some models. If they're up to par with the artwork, I don't think I'll be able to resist buying some.

plastictrees wrote:some of the fluff, but the Minis don't really look all that impressive, but patiently waiting for some news on the game & the minis

Have they shown minis other than that one marine?

No, they have shown concept art though. We are all eagerly anticipating the next model (and hoping its better than the Marine).

There's promise here. Once there are pics of the figures, I'll decide if I'm going to buy or pass.

While I can't show you the sprue (The Defiance People don't want me building unreasonable expectations until real progress is made) I will give you a brief on its contents:

Two Rifles in two different poses (the one shone in the test mini and a aimed-sraight version)
One SAW
One Rifle with underbarrel grenade launcher
One Carbine
Two Torsos
Three legs (one of the playtesters suggesting any civilian sets have more torsos than legs so you can use up the excess).
Six heads, includind two bare, two with open face plate, and two with closed. I'm not actually all that fond of the helmet myself, but I think it looks a LOT better with the closed face plate.
Assorted bits of kit.

This list is subject to change, but I doubt it'll change much. The major issue will be how much kit they can fit; plastic minis are a bit weird to manufacture since you have to take into account plastic flow when laying out the sprue, which often limits what can be done. This is, from what I understand, the reason plastics used to have lower detail: have to maintain preasure meant it was difficult to ensure all the details would get filled in properly. That isn't as much of an issue anymore.

Oh, and I know I'm going to get in trouble for this but . . .

GERMANS!

Concept Art


Concept Art


Reference Image


The first two have been seen on Defiance's website (which should get sorted out any day now, but the other is exclusive (and I'm probably going to get yelled at, though technically they just said I wasn't allowed to show renders. Speaking of which, I've seen an early render of the legs and they will not be as skinny on the final model. The proportions will be different as well, but that's because of the heroic-scale nature of the minis.


I've also seen a similar reference image of the USMC Hardsuit and it's very, very, VERY nice. If you like the MaK suits you'll love it!

Pazeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew! They have a laser!

Starting to sound very cool, trying very hard not to get too excited

Xeno wrote:While I can't show you the sprue (The Defiance People don't want me building unreasonable expectations until real progress is made) I will give you a brief on its contents:

The irony of course is that the artwork is doing that to some

Reasonable or unreasonable if these pictures are accurate I'm going to need and save up some dough...

Last one, and no, I have no idea if rendering has even begun on this, but I do know it's high on the priority list (after the USMC and German Heavy Weapons, if I do recall).

Reference Images for the USMC Hardsuit:


Drooling yet? I know I am

Holy cow! I like those concepts a lot. Can´t wait to finally see pictures of the minis, especially the Germans.

Ok, these are on my list to buy. Be careful Xeno, if you get yelled at we might lose a nice source of news.

Holy Cow, that's nice!



As that's as close to a drooling icon I can find!

Gonna have to get me some of these when they hit shelves (Online stores, whatever)

Love the Germans, especially the Hardsuits, especially the design - chaingun and a missile launcher, what's not to like! - and can't wait to see more of those Valks too!

I swear the Germans uniforms were designed by a stylist. No matter the era, if you throw a German looking uniform on something it just looks awesome!

That said, if the german minis look like those concepts I will buy close to 100 of them. Even the heavy weapons look to be made of awesome covered in awesome sauce.

http://www.defiancegames.com/index.php/news/item/valkyrie-concept-rough-draft-for-review

Oh my...

Xeno wrote:Last one, and no, I have no idea if rendering has even begun on this, but I do know it's high on the priority list (after the USMC and German Heavy Weapons, if I do recall).

Reference Images for the USMC Hardsuit:


Drooling yet? I know I am

This looks remarkably similar to Maschinen Krieger equipment.

http://www.agisn.de/html/maschinenkrieger.html

Maschinen Krieger quite literally has futuristic 'Space Germans' as a major theme.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maschinen_Krieger_ZbV_3000

Check out the article and the links to see what I mean.

In case you are wondering, this guy is one of the concept artists:

Alexander Iglesias: http://flyingdebris.deviantart.com/

He did the German as an original concept, and the powered armor design was licensed from and slightly altered. The Marine, Bug, and Valkyrie are from a different artists.


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For the record, here's a scale comparison for you based on one of the 3D prints. This should give you more of an idea about how they size up.



They should be a pretty good match for Cadians and other IG figures . . . if proxying is your thing. If you go by the mock-up for the hardsuit I posted above, it should give some so idea about how big that will be in comparison (assuming the sculptor maintains the same scale -- I don't know it he will, though I'm hoping for it just to have big, hulking, beastly powered armor dominating the table!).

I notice alot of the concept artwork is by a guy i saw on 'Concept robots' called Alex Iglesias ('Flying debris' on deviantart apparently). Mainly the Hard suit pictured above.

Some of his artwork is stunning.

I do find it slightly suspicious that i came across the image, without any form of copyright (some of his images were copyrighted), on an open submission blog.

Dang. That scales up kinda nicely.