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Perkustin wrote:I notice alot of the concept artwork is by a guy i saw on 'Concept robots' called Alex Iglesias ('Flying debris' on deviantart apparently). Mainly the Hard suit pictured above.

Some of his artwork is stunning.

I do find it slightly suspicious that i came across the image, without any form of copyright (some of his images were copyrighted), on an open submission blog.

I know what you're implying, but what would the game be here? They're not asking for money, by all appearances they weren't ready for launch when people started posting links to their site. I think you're being needlessly suspicious.

Perkustin wrote:I notice alot of the concept artwork is by a guy i saw on 'Concept robots' called Alex Iglesias ('Flying debris' on deviantart apparently). Mainly the Hard suit pictured above.

Some of his artwork is stunning.

I do find it slightly suspicious that i came across the image, without any form of copyright (some of his images were copyrighted), on an open submission blog.

Always a problem, isn't it?

I do know for a fact that this powered armor design has been licensed from him; he even did some modifications to the images (mainly scaled up the feet a tad). The suit was originally licensed because it, along with the assorted MaK suits, were frequently cited by some of the forum goers as exactly the sort of thing they were looking for in a suit of powered armor.



Re: copyright

This is my own opinion, but I'm actually surprised more people in the minis industry aren't sued for copyright violations. I come across more "Not-X" style minis than I can count, many of which are near direct copies of pre-existing IPs. It's not something I particularly have a problem with since the IPs in question don't exactly seem interesting in licensing their stuff, but it is one of those noticeable things. So I can very much understand how people would be worried about IP being ripped off, especially from relatively small time* artists like Mr. Iglesias and the other gentleman DG has commissioned art from. I know the artists don't like it either (I've read more than one account of blatant stealing from artists on DeviantArt).


Though, given the amount of work industry work he seems to do, "small time" might be doing him a disservice.

Xeno wrote:Last one, and no, I have no idea if rendering has even begun on this, but I do know it's high on the priority list (after the USMC and German Heavy Weapons, if I do recall).

Reference Images for the USMC Hardsuit:


Drooling yet? I know I am

Love this one... Im waiting for it...

Xeno wrote:






They should be a pretty good match for Cadians and other IG figures . . . if proxying is your thing. If you go by the mock-up for the hardsuit I posted above, it should give some so idea about how big that will be in comparison (assuming the sculptor maintains the same scale -- I don't know it he will, though I'm hoping for it just to have big, hulking, beastly powered armor dominating the table!).

Mostly just wanted to quote this as it might be missed.

Xeno, have they said how they're planning to break down the models? Separate arms at shoulder? Completely separate guns?

The molds will be break down like so:

The guns will be molded into the arms, with five guns arms on the marines sprue, plus separate right arms in at least two different poses; separate torsos and legs; separate heads (of course), plus assorted ammo pouches and such to apply as you like.



As a side note: this weekend I assembled a bunch of Warlord Games plastic German infantry and I have to say, after that experience, I'm wary of the idea of weapons molded separate from the arms (especially in the very fine scale Warlord uses). While the results often looked good, the process was extraordinarily fiddly and didn't really add much more than an extra step to the construction process. That, and the shooting poses for the basic rifle seemed very awkward. On the other hand, I'm open to seeing it done again as the German set seemed to be a mediocre implementation of a good idea.

The USMC hardsuit models would be a great fit for me personally as I'm a sucker for those types of power suit models (warzone bauhaus vulkan suits, at-43 UNA tac arms, Incursion Allied ape suits).

Shepherd23 wrote:I swear the Germans uniforms were designed by a stylist. No matter the era, if you throw a German looking uniform on something it just looks awesome!

That said, if the german minis look like those concepts I will buy close to 100 of them. Even the heavy weapons look to be made of awesome covered in awesome sauce.

Well Hugo Boss did design the SS uniforms....."Many of the uniforms were produced by Hugo Boss and some were produced under forced labor conditions [3] and in concentration camps, especially later in the war."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniforms_and_insignia_of_the_Schutzstaffel

I know its a wiki but im shure if you wanted to dig around in books you could find something to back it up.


I do know what you mean though, it's the cut of the uniforms they where designed to be intimidating and it workes. Just get rid of the nazi garbage (again I think the symbol's looked awsome, just not what they came to repersent.) and you have a winner.

I really can't wait to see what Defiance games comes up with next. If they can make the artwork come to life I will be one happy panda.

One more thing, thank you xenos for posting those pictures. Take a look GW, this company has me more excited in one month then you have in the last 7+ years, show us what you are doing, it's not Soviet Era Russia here the cold war is over.

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
One more thing, thank you xenos for posting those pictures. Take a look GW, this company has me more excited in one month then you have in the last 7+ years, show us what you are doing, it's not Soviet Era Russia here the cold war is over.

You're welcome!

Actually, part the reason I posted that stuff was just to quelch misinformation, mainly because it's kinda annoying when you know (some of) the truth

I've run out of direct info I can give (short of posted shots of the actual computer render of the sprue and the Germans, which I was specifically told not too when asking for permission), though I can give a rumor:

Apparently things are going very well with the manufacturers so there is a good possibility there will be real live plastic in peoples' hands before the end of the year . . . barring a disaster. That might be a conservative estimate. The big problem right now is just figuring out how to lay out the sprue so the plastic flows properly (quite tricky, believe it or not). Once the sculptor and company work out how to engineer the sprue the production schedule should increase substantially; right now they're in the "build the tools to build the tools" phase.

However, don't scream at me if this doesn't happen

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:

Xeno wrote:Last one, and no, I have no idea if rendering has even begun on this, but I do know it's high on the priority list (after the USMC and German Heavy Weapons, if I do recall).

Reference Images for the USMC Hardsuit:


Drooling yet? I know I am

Love this one... Im waiting for it...

Looks like an ma.K http://www.maschinenkrueger.com/joomla/

Thats a good thing.

AOM, you're really making me miss my back room privileges. I've been busting Tony's chops for weeks, but he's saying it should be working. Moral of the story, I'm missing out on the good stuff. Now I just have to wait on information just like a regular schnook.

This just popped up on the Defiance Games homepage:



That's the template the plastics company will use to cut the molds. I dunno how long it takes to cut a mold, but there were be product!

Oh, and those discs are bases attached to the mold. Tony came up with a rather good idea to simply incorporate base manufacture into the figure molds so you get four bases per sprue: enough for your minis and extra leftover to sell. Tony apparently has other ideas for those discs as well.

Erm, xeno, I'm not entirely sure we were supposed to post that. Ah well, I doubt Tony will mind.

winnertakesall wrote:Erm, xeno, I'm not entirely sure we were supposed to post that. Ah well, I doubt Tony will mind.

It's public knowledge - you can see it here.

I'm a little disappointed those are bases and not tiny iPod speakers. But bases are pretty cool too.

AlexHolker wrote:

winnertakesall wrote:Erm, xeno, I'm not entirely sure we were supposed to post that. Ah well, I doubt Tony will mind.

It's public knowledge - you can see it here.

Oh so it is, I am slow on news. Apologies Xeno

winnertakesall wrote:Oh so it is, I am slow on news. Apologies Xeno

Nah, it's actually kinda my fault: I apparently forgot to post the direct link.


Oh, as a side note: apparently, concept work has started on the first Alien Edge set. It should be rather interesting and, even better, multi-purpose so you could use them in fantasy or sci-fi games.

Love the concepts so far. Thanks for posting this!

Xeno wrote:Oh, as a side note: apparently, concept work has started on the first Alien Edge set. It should be rather interesting and, even better, multi-purpose so you could use them in fantasy or sci-fi games.

Interesting. I wonder if this has anything to do with the discussion of lizard-centaurs and mythological composite creatures.

AlexHolker wrote:

Xeno wrote:Oh, as a side note: apparently, concept work has started on the first Alien Edge set. It should be rather interesting and, even better, multi-purpose so you could use them in fantasy or sci-fi games.

Interesting. I wonder if this has anything to do with the discussion of lizard-centaurs and mythological composite creatures.

All I can say is "no." Sorry.

Not bad I will get some when released.

So, look what we've got: BUUUUUUGS!





What you're looking at is a ref sheet put together for me by Tony Reidy: a size comparison between a Marine and basic Drone, some shots from different sides, a close up of the face, and, best of all, a pose ref for how these guys can be set up. I've always got, sitting in my e-mail inbox, shots of the 3D models; everything is done for them except the limbs (and that's just a matter of getting several good poses).

The bug body will be divided, as you can see, into three pieces: upper body and a two piece lower body, all connected by ball joints so you can pose the hell out of them. All of the limbs will be ball-jointed as well. I'm particularly thrilled with this because my prototypical image of a "Bug" comes from the Starship Troopers movie: weird, jerky movements and a flailing mass of limbs coming at you at full speed. Plus, to me at least, the scrunched up version of the bug resembles a trapdoor spider just before it springs open and pulls some poor bastard into a dark tunnel.

The plan to release a set for the basic Drones, bigger and nastier Warriors, and an upgrade set for Tech Bugs (the basic sets plus an upgrade sprue).


Some more info: the Marines should be about done tooling and the Germans have already been sent off; once the limbs are done for the Bugs they too will be sent to tooling. After that, it'll be the Power Armor. I'm not sure what comes up next. However, there is currently serious discussion about bikers (like, "discussing what should be on the sprues and how it should laid out" discussion). I'm not giving any guarantees here, though.

The quality of the casts will make or break those bugs. I like the design well enough for what they are, but those segmented exoskeletons need sharp, deep detail or they'll look like gak.

I really want to see the final product for the 'Hard Suits'. I've always liked that kind of look and I think they would work awsomely for Tomorrow's War. The Germans look Ace and I can't wait for them either. I am thinking of just picking some up to paint up and model. If the game is good thats just a extra bonus IMHO. Again I think the Germans would fit in well with tomorrow's war also. =o]


Keep up the good work Defiance Games, if you make good quailty products that are reasionably priced people will buy them.

Like all your artwork, that looks solid. I echo the sentiment that they'll need to be sharply detailed though. If they end up as muddy as some Wargames Factory sculpts they won't look so hot.

Looks like there are some renders, hard to see any details though

Really liking the gun myself.

I really hope tony decides to inclued the closed helmet also like he said they would. That would be awsome. Can't wait to see the hardsuits. The bugs also look rather well done again it will come down to quality/price. If they can keep the price point around what they have said before and the quality is better then the WGF 'greatcoats' then you guys got a winner here.

I dont liked the marine... But the exosuit and the bugs are promissing (if the bugs come as they look on the concepts, even with lower sculpt quality, i may jump in o.O).

Those bugs are what i expected for Tyranids ^^

Oh dear... Really hoping that's just an early WIP.

Just looking at how soft the detail is on his legs, and considering that the render tends to be much sharper than the finished product... he's going to be a featureless lump of plastic with a rifle sticking out of it.

They look better than the WGF trash we've already seen, but not by much :/