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insaniak wrote:Oh dear... Really hoping that's just an early WIP.

Just looking at how soft the detail is on his legs, and considering that the render tends to be much sharper than the finished product... he's going to be a featureless lump of plastic with a rifle sticking out of it.

chaos0xomega wrote:They look better than the WGF trash we've already seen, but not by much :/

Hmm I hope this isnt going to be a case of "The apple doesnt fall far from the tree"

Loving the bugs. Not too sure about the marine though. He just seems.... odd.

Still, the bugs concepts are awesome.

Well it looks like WGF2 - the same crap with a new name

The helmet looks a bit big. Now as we all know that's how it should be, helmets add size to the head and GW is wrong, wrong, wrong when they make marines whose helmeted heads are the same size as their bare heads.

BUT... doing it right ends up looking wrong on a mini.

So I'd recommend that physics and biology be damned and the helmeted heads be the same size as a bare head.

What surprises me with these and the WGF stuff is the lack of quality considering they are computer designed. I cannot see that 3d printing would cause this much loss of detail. I have had things printed in the past and I know that hard edges are much better, but I have had fluid items printed as well and they have had much better detail than we are seeing here. I am still hoping for the Germans and the hardsuits to come out good.

http://www.beastsofwar.com/defiance-games/usmc-gunner-defiance-games/#comment-39927

Seems wrong/unrealistic to me how he holds the SAW. Apart from that with the right price they will still be okay. But I am waiting for the Grenadiers as well.

The arms look really fat and old.

There may be flaws in these guys, but it seems to me that these are worlds ahead of the greatcoats.

I've no dog in this fight, ( I don't need any more human troopers) but I followed the Greatcoats process nearly from start to finish and these renders are much much nicer than the greatcoat renders.

Also negative commets regarding the proportions of the bodies are slightly humorous in light of the rediculous cartoon dimensions of Cadians.

As always, let's see what the figures look like when they come out.

Eilif wrote:Also negative commets regarding the proportions of the bodies are slightly humorous in light of the rediculous cartoon dimensions of Cadians.

That would only be 'humorous' if the people complaining about the proportions of these guys don't have similar issues with the proportions of the Cadians...

I really think it's the helemt that's not doing it for me. There seems to be a little to much exposed flesh for a 'Space Marine'. The painted model looks heads and tails better then the plastic grey one.

I also think that the guns should of had a foward hand hold. Most moderen solders use them now as it helps with aiming, it give you a steadier gun, helps with recoil etc. Most solders don't 'bare back' anymore.

I still have high hopes for the hard suits and the german 'heer'.

And let's not even get into a proper scale debate. Almost nothing done in 28mm is in 'proper scale'.

They have a bunch of rifles with foregrips.

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
I really think it's the helemt that's not doing it for me. There seems to be a little to much exposed flesh for a 'Space Marine'.

I was under the impression that most interested parties were thinking about them being IG substitutes and not alt-astartes. They've got way too little armor to be anything more than scouts.

warboss wrote:

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
I really think it's the helemt that's not doing it for me. There seems to be a little to much exposed flesh for a 'Space Marine'.

I was under the impression that most interested parties were thinking about them being IG substitutes and not alt-astartes. They've got way too little armor to be anything more than scouts.

Also, these models have been designed for an entirely new game system with it's own background and factions.

The new BoW picture is restoring some hope for this line for me. The new render looks better (maybe it's just the angle), and the painted figure looks quite nice, and that isn't even a particularly fantastic paint job. Although, it's the Heer and hardsuits that I'm looking forward to most of all.

I don't like the open helmet at all. The enclosed helmet is better, but I'm more interested in the bare heads. The shin guards could also be better - the concept art has some nice, sharp detail on it that was left off the sculpt.

But really, my greatest concern is that the female marines might look like the Amazons. Not-so-subtle hints that pronounced cheekbones and lower eyelids are not "sexy" seem to have fallen on deaf ears.

I don't think they should differentiate the two genders at all with the marines. Just sculpt the hint of boobs on some of the torsos and have some of the bare heads female.

Well, they may he doing it that way, but it is implied that they are two different unit types or something.

personaly I love them. If the price is right and shipping to the uk is resonable I will get some I think

warboss wrote:

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
I really think it's the helemt that's not doing it for me. There seems to be a little to much exposed flesh for a 'Space Marine'.

I was under the impression that most interested parties were thinking about them being IG substitutes and not alt-astartes. They've got way too little armor to be anything more than scouts.

Sorry, I guess I should of said 'Space Marine, not sphzz muhrenzz' as in Men who fight from Star Ships, as a Marine is a man who fights from a ship.

Not Geneticly engeneered bad-asses with a more OP Primarch

Unless that is the role that the 'hard suits' are going to be used for ie EVA's, Boarding missions, vacuum combat etc etc etc. If they function simular to the USMC of today, then the Navy would be a 'black navy' (space) with the marines being the main fighting force from those ships. They will have a intergrated combined arms approach with their own landing crafts, logistics, armour (maybe the hard suits or some kind of IFV, APC) artillery and air cover ( orbital, atmospheric or both maybe?). I would see each space shp as being 'self sufficent' in battle depending on the size of the engagment. Keeping the spirit of the MAGTF would be a great idea and would make total sence considering the distances between planets.... unless you have 'The Plot tm' needing some kind of handwavium solution so that ships can move around alot faster.

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

Not Geneticly engeneered bad-asses with a Ridiculously more OP Primarch

Fixed that for you

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

Unless that is the role that the 'hard suits' are going to be used for ie EVA's, Boarding missions, vacuum combat etc etc etc. If they function simular to the USMC of today, then the Navy would be a 'black navy' (space) with the marines being the main fighting force from those ships. They will have a intergrated combined arms approach with their own landing crafts, logistics, armour (maybe the hard suits or some kind of IFV, APC) artillery and air cover ( orbital, atmospheric or both maybe?). I would see each space shp as being 'self sufficent' in battle depending on the size of the engagment. Keeping the spirit of the MAGTF would be a great idea and would make total sence considering the distances between planets.... unless you have 'The Plot tm' needing some kind of handwavium solution so that ships can move around alot faster.

From the fluff they've written on their site, the models we're seeing currently are ground-based troopers, not space combatants.

agnosto wrote:
From the fluff they've written on their site, the models we're seeing currently are ground-based troopers, not space combatants.

Fluff, from a company without a game yet? I wouldn't give it too much creedence in how you use the figs. The hardsuits as pictured would be excellent vac-armor for ship boarding actions. However, you're right in that nothing else in the concept drawings seems to be suited for combat in space. This is definitely a ground-based line of figs that leans much more toward Sci-Fi (starship troopers, Hammers Slammers, etc) than Sci-Fantasy (40k, star wars, etc).

I see the weapons are railed, but there are no optics in sight. Considering the fact that every modern first-world combatant has optics on their weapons in 2011, we're supposed to look at future-space-soldiers and be quite happy that their weapons have those modern-looking rails all over them, but the designers and decision-makers all seemingly have no idea what they're actually for..

scipio.au wrote:I see the weapons are railed, but there are no optics in sight. Considering the fact that every modern first-world combatant has optics on their weapons in 2011, we're supposed to look at future-space-soldiers and be quite happy that their weapons have those modern-looking rails all over them, but the designers and decision-makers all seemingly have no idea what they're actually for..

Maybe in the future all the soldiers have implant targeting optics? Gives you the option to paint chrome colored eyes at least like all the cyber punk stuff. Just a thought.

Whilst I do not have any major problems with these, there is one thing I just don't like. The marine with the SAW, is that a pistol grip grenade launcher at the front? That on a long (ish) weapon with the main trigger right at the back, he'd have to look like he's playing snooker/pool (delete as appropriate) to have his hands on both grips at once.

Seems rather uncomfortable to me, and could lead to increased inaccuracy and muscle strain from trying to fire both or switch from one to the other quickly enough when the situation demands it.

Otherwise, I would consider that an excellent mini, I am a fan of the helmet, and the fact that the bare head is smaller, makes the armour look bulkier and gives the entire model a better proportion IMO.

http://www.defiancegames.com/index.php/shop#ecwid:category=1831024&mode=category&offset=0&sort=normal

The Marine pre-orders are now up. The kit is 24 USMC rifleman for 30 bucks, with deals on bulk orders. The projected ship date is January 16th with hopes to release earlier. Frankly, I'm very excited, but due to the fact that I'm currently in the dig house for buying an X Box (for a great price, I might add), I'll have to wait a few weeks to put my order in. Now if you don't mind, I have some to notice a hair cut or compliment a blouse or go see Twilight or something.

cheap. you can get 24 GW lord of the rings figures for 50.

My, those really are quite terrible, aren't they?

Still waiting for sprue shots, but will probably get 1 box for bits.
Otherwise I have enough space grunts already.


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Funny thing from their webshop:

USMC price points are: 29,95, 99 and 199 dollars.

And big honking ad for free shipping for any order over 100 dollars!
so 99 order doesn't qualify and the next price point is almost 200!

i like the models. they arent as good as GW but very little is these days....

they should have more detailed pictures though. like a full-screen shot of all the different marines with all the different weapons.

Nice. Looks very solid.