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Jihadin wrote:

Consider what Israel is currently doing to Palestine.

Palestinians are not making a nuclear bomb. The Palestinian gov't already stated that there will be no jews living in their "state/nation" once/if it goes formal. Yet there's palestinian living in jewish areas....

Sorry wrong thread...

I did kind of wonder where that came from.

We expanded the target list on the thread

So does that mean we can load up our Israeli-Palestinian rhetoric and prepare for battle?

"finger hovers over the big red button"
ITS GAME OVER MAN!! (Hudson or Hicks)

Oh bill Paxton, you coward.
For a second I totally didn't get the reference...then I did.

Phototoxin wrote:Does no one else think it's hypocritical that the US is the only country to drop nukes on another country and yet they're against other countries developing them? What business is it of the US if Iran makes nukes. It might keep the US from invading!

First, it isn't just the US as there are other countries that have the same attitude. Second, it could also be argued that this puts the US in a unique position to argue against anyone else going through the same thing as it knows that sweet, musky odor that goes along with nuke ownership. Learning from the past, last time I checked anyway, was not the same thing as being a hypocrite. We aren't currently using nuclear weapons on anyone and have worked on non-proliferation with other countries.

Phototoxin wrote:Does no one else think it's hypocritical that the US is the only country to drop nukes on another country and yet they're against other countries developing them? What business is it of the US if Iran makes nukes. It might keep the US from invading!

One vision of the safest possible world (for you) is the one in which only you have swords/guns/bombs.

Of course, that isn't necessarily correct, but it is largely why the US takes a strong position against nuclear proliferation (at least when the country in question isn't friendly).

Ahtman wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:Does no one else think it's hypocritical that the US is the only country to drop nukes on another country and yet they're against other countries developing them? What business is it of the US if Iran makes nukes. It might keep the US from invading!

First, it isn't just the US as there are other countries that have the same attitude. Second, it could also be argued that this puts the US in a unique position to argue against anyone else going through the same thing as it knows that sweet, musky odor that goes along with nuke ownership. Learning from the past, last time I checked anyway, was not the same thing as being a hypocrite. We aren't currently using nuclear weapons on anyone and have worked on non-proliferation with other countries.

Does anyone else ever get the impression that Phototoxin is just doing a really bad "Mr. Furious" impersonation every time she get all frothing at the mouth talking about the U.S.?

Jihadin wrote:

Consider what Israel is currently doing to Palestine.

Palestinians are not making a nuclear bomb. The Palestinian gov't already stated that there will be no jews living in their "state/nation" once/if it goes formal. Yet there's palestinian living in jewish areas....

I'm sure the things Palestinians say are scary. That's probably why Israel bombs them and takes their homes constantly while denying them oranges. It's easy to see how having oranges can lead directly to a new anti-jewish purge.

ShumaGorath wrote:I'm sure the things Palestinians say are scary. That's probably why Israel bombs them and takes their homes constantly while denying them oranges. It's easy to see how having oranges can lead directly to a new anti-jewish purge.

It is hard to do much work on nuclear bombs when you have scurvy.

rockerbikie wrote:This is why I hate today's Western Society. The idealogy of "We shall intervene when ever possible" makes me questions whether there is a New World Order, which is made to enslave humanity or not. If so, it is probably some kind of Liberal Censorship which has nothing to do with Communism but everything to do with Slavery of the common people.

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SilverMK2 wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:I'm sure the things Palestinians say are scary. That's probably why Israel bombs them and takes their homes constantly while denying them oranges. It's easy to see how having oranges can lead directly to a new anti-jewish purge.

It is hard to do much work on nuclear bombs when you have scurvy.

It's why pirates so often lacked the tools needed to repair their reactors.

ShumaGorath wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:This is why I hate today's Western Society. The idealogy of "We shall intervene when ever possible" makes me questions whether there is a New World Order, which is made to enslave humanity or not. If so, it is probably some kind of Liberal Censorship which has nothing to do with Communism but everything to do with Slavery of the common people.

Whoa whoa whoa. Now we finally came to something important here. Was there a Mass Effect cartoon?

Ouze wrote:Whoa whoa whoa. Now we finally came to something important here. Was there a Mass Effect cartoon?

That's Beauty and the Beast (the Disney film). I think it's better that way

Jihadin wrote:

Man, whitey hates brown dude.

Light tan.....course they're not hygenic so they are a bit...dirty...smelly..Iran is a bit more modern in frastructure so they're clean light tan.....I see a lot of tomahawks and airstrikes.

I can't believe this thread went pages without anyone seeing this remark as pretty disgusting. Unless I'm having a wonky reading comprehension day, are you implying that all Iranians are dirty, filthy people? Or that all brown people are somehow dirty? So I guess black people just the filthiest of them all, and white people are just oh so pure and clean right? It's a shame there are people who still equate the melanin in your skin with one's hygene and worth.

Then again hating on muslims, middle-eastern folks, and brown people seems par for the course on the OT

"whitey hates brown dude" indeed

asimo77 wrote:

Jihadin wrote:

Man, whitey hates brown dude.

Light tan.....course they're not hygenic so they are a bit...dirty...smelly..Iran is a bit more modern in frastructure so they're clean light tan.....I see a lot of tomahawks and airstrikes.

I can't believe this thread went pages without anyone seeing this remark as pretty disgusting. Unless I'm having a wonky reading comprehension day, are you implying that all Iranians are dirty, filthy people? Or that all brown people are somehow dirty? So I guess black people just the filthiest of them all, and white people are just oh so pure and clean right? It's a shame there are people who still equate the melanin in your skin with one's hygene and worth.

Then again hating on muslims, middle-eastern folks, and brown people seems par for the course on the OT

"whitey hates brown dude" indeed

Anyone who has spent a reasonable amount of time around Iraqis, both rural and urban, is aware of a certain..."odor" that they exude. It's not racism, it's hygiene. They also insist on standing uncomfortably close while speaking to you, so you get to be doubly aware of their personal contribution to atmospheric conditions. What Jihadin said was that Iranians were "a clean light tan" so no he didn't say that Iranians were filthy people.

AustonT wrote:

asimo77 wrote:

Jihadin wrote:

Man, whitey hates brown dude.

Light tan.....course they're not hygenic so they are a bit...dirty...smelly..Iran is a bit more modern in frastructure so they're clean light tan.....I see a lot of tomahawks and airstrikes.

I can't believe this thread went pages without anyone seeing this remark as pretty disgusting. Unless I'm having a wonky reading comprehension day, are you implying that all Iranians are dirty, filthy people? Or that all brown people are somehow dirty? So I guess black people just the filthiest of them all, and white people are just oh so pure and clean right? It's a shame there are people who still equate the melanin in your skin with one's hygene and worth.

Then again hating on muslims, middle-eastern folks, and brown people seems par for the course on the OT

"whitey hates brown dude" indeed

Anyone who has spent a reasonable amount of time around Iraqis, both rural and urban, is aware of a certain..."odor" that they exude. It's not racism, it's hygiene. They also insist on standing uncomfortably close while speaking to you, so you get to be doubly aware of their personal contribution to atmospheric conditions. What Jihadin said was that Iranians were "a clean light tan" so no he didn't say that Iranians were filthy people.

Intro soc texts are neat because you get to learn the etiquette of the personal space bubble in different regions. The mideast is a close face to face region with a lot of handshaking. Germans to contrast are the exact opposite. Hygine is a by product of wealth more then it is societal values, and Iraqis aren't particularly wealthy. Americans smelled terrible in the 1700s, they were known for it.

"What Jihadin said was that Iranians were "a clean light tan" so no he didn't say that Iranians were filthy people. "

So suggessting that lighter skinned people are cleaner is supposed to be better?

"Hygine is a by product of wealth more then it is societal values, and Iraqis aren't particularly wealthy"

This is a good point, but sadly I fear that it will be ignored.

The mideast is a close face to face region with a lot of handshaking

Shake with the right hand only cause they wipe their arse with their left. I will say though their quite religous on washing their face, hands, and feet before prayer 3 times a day.

@asimo77 Visiting a 3rd world middle eastern country is quite eye opening. Ever hear the comment "Man Love Thursday"? and what it might actually be referring to?

Also my bad I forgot. We had a detachment of Coasties there to since Southern Afghanistan has a huge freaking lake there. Was interesting to see them there

I always wondered what they did, do you think they work Lake Tharthar in the Iraq?

Well you are making quite a few assumptions on where I may be from or who well versed in certain cultures I am.

"Shake with the right hand only cause they wipe their arse with their left"

Being from the region, knowing people who have been there, and having family from around there, I can tell you that people don't actually do that. Like Shuma said bad hygene is a product of poverty and poor education rather than other races and ethnicities being simply unclean.

"Ever hear the comment "Man Love Thursday"? and what it might actually be referring to?"

I know what that statement refers to and I don't see how that's relevant.

"Visiting a 3rd world...country "

Visitng any 3rd world country is going to expose you to uncleanliness becuase it's a 3rd world country. Not because some races are just full of filthy people.

Ever hear the comment "Man Love Thursday"? and what it might actually be referring to?

It has something to do with submarine crews right?

biccat wrote:Yes, I assume that New Zealand is like Settlers of Cataan where every tile is grassland.

And mountains. Lord of the Rings should have taught us all that much.


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Leonus Cohol wrote:America simply can't afford a war with Iran. It isn't guaranteed we would win either. We are having some trouble with anything that isn't France or Germany.

It's guaranteed you'd win decisively over their military forces. There's just no question of that. What is up in the air is how any subsequent occupation would go, which is a measure of the will and ability of the Iranians to continue resistance efforts, and will of the US to remain in Iran.

Also, do you realise you've never fought France?

It's hard to predict what would happen if we truly seperated religion from state. Removing God and Jesus from pretty much everything. People probably wouldn't be cool with it. Thank Ignorance for that one. On the other hand, people might accept it completely.

You'd have government in the modern world. You have that very kind of government in your own country.


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Albatross wrote:Yeah, closely followed by the UK and Canada. It's not like the USA military swooped in right at the last minute though, they were involved pretty much from the get-go. It was a difference of days, at most, iirc.

I also believe there was no commitment to a sustained operation until the US had committed stealth bombers to take out Libyan radar sites.


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halonachos wrote:Now the Vietnamese and Korean Wars were actually defensive wars, we didn't pick on anyone there we were trying to stop the northern forces from overwhelming the southern forces.

Sure, but in both cases the Southern government were completely dodgy governments that you put there in the first place.


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Jollydevil wrote:I dont understand how you can say that. I can understand a disliking to Russians, or even the Chinese, but the Americans? We spent countless lives to ensure that youre living under the safety of your own government, and not the oppressive and destructive powers of North Korea. Without US intervention, you wouldnt even be posting on this website right now.

Funnily enough, the Koreans are noted for hating the Japanese most of all, which says something about how terrible the Japanese were in the few short years they occupied Korea.

And I think Pacific has gotten a bit confused in why older Koreans have disliked foreigners. It isn't because of the Korean war, Koreans had a cultural dislike of Koreans before then.


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Jihadin wrote:As for Iran having nukes well they stated they're quite willing to nuke Isreal. Whats to stop them from expanding their target list?

No, Ahmedinejad has said he would, but he doesn't have access to any bomb they could build. He's exactly as dangerous as any poster on this site saying the US should glass the middle east. There has been no such rhetoric from among Iranian leaders.

Meanwhile, you should look up some of the crazy stuff said by Soviets, by Indians and Pakistanis, and even sometimes by Americans, let alone the South Africans. Yet none ever used the bomb.


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LordofHats wrote:Regardless of our motives, nuclear proliferation is a bad thing and I don't have a problem with trying to stop the spread of nuclear weapons.

Sure thing, but the question is how far you're willing to go to stop the spread of nukes. I mean, at what point do we consider airstrikes and the like more destabilising than nuclear proliferation?

Jihadin wrote:As for Iran having nukes well they stated they're quite willing to nuke Isreal. Whats to stop them from expanding their target list?

I don't recall any Iranian political figure saying that. "Drive the Jews into the sea." sure, but not "Nuke the Jews."

sebster wrote:Meanwhile, you should look up some of the crazy stuff said by Soviets, by Indians and Pakistanis, and even sometimes by Americans, let alone the South Africans. Yet none ever used the bomb.

None of those?

So Iran comes up with a nuke and not use it on Iran? Guess you think Isreal is being paranoid about possible airstriking the facilities thats part of the nuclear program in Iran? Term "cleanse by fire" some how fits in with knucklehead rhetoric.

Visitng any 3rd world country is going to expose you to uncleanliness becuase it's a 3rd world country. Not because some races are just full of filthy people.

I said 3rd world middle eastern country. One's you probaly know are modernized. Not bashing you but I do believe I have more experience in dealing with modern and 3rd world muslims unless your military and deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Man Love Thursday. Well your thinking adult males. Its not just adult. Ever hear of a Afghani Boy Dancer? Do you know its allowed in Afghanistan? Want to imagine the suprise of a platoon american's and germans that walk by the building that "pimps/brothel" them out to male parties?

Oh god no, another war in the sandbox...

Jihadin wrote:So Iran comes up with a nuke and not use it on Iran? Guess you think Isreal is being paranoid about possible airstriking the facilities thats part of the nuclear program in Iran? Term "cleanse by fire" some how fits in with knucklehead rhetoric.

Visitng any 3rd world country is going to expose you to uncleanliness becuase it's a 3rd world country. Not because some races are just full of filthy people.

I said 3rd world middle eastern country. One's you probaly know are modernized. Not bashing you but I do believe I have more experience in dealing with modern and 3rd world muslims unless your military and deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Man Love Thursday. Well your thinking adult males. Its not just adult. Ever hear of a Afghani Boy Dancer? Do you know its allowed in Afghanistan? Want to imagine the suprise of a platoon american's and germans that walk by the building that "pimps/brothel" them out to male parties?

Did you just say Afghanistan was modernized..?

ShumaGorath wrote:

AustonT wrote:
Anyone who has spent a reasonable amount of time around Iraqis, both rural and urban, is aware of a certain..."odor" that they exude. It's not racism, it's hygiene. They also insist on standing uncomfortably close while speaking to you, so you get to be doubly aware of their personal contribution to atmospheric conditions. What Jihadin said was that Iranians were "a clean light tan" so no he didn't say that Iranians were filthy people.

Intro soc texts are neat because you get to learn the etiquette of the personal space bubble in different regions. The mideast is a close face to face region with a lot of handshaking. Germans to contrast are the exact opposite. Hygine is a by product of wealth more then it is societal values, and Iraqis aren't particularly wealthy. Americans smelled terrible in the 1700s, they were known for it.

Diet also is a factor in body odour. Apparently Anglo-Saxons smell faintly milky, due to the amount of dairy produce we consume on average. Eat a lot of heavily spiced food and that will effect your body odour too. I agree with everything else that you said vis a vis poverty.

ShumaGorath wrote:Did you just say Afghanistan was modernized..?

I think he's compare contrasting Afghanistan with Iraq, but saying Iraq is modernized doesn't make much sense either...