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Karon wrote:If there was ever a war I supported, it would be against the morons who are blinded by Religion.

You're confusing a theocratic government with the people that live there.



Meanwhile, there's always a country we're terrified of, that's run by a crazy despot who's going to unleash his vast stocks of tanks/planes/nukes/whatever any time now, so it's best we get stuck in and sort them out first, because there's no way the situation is going to change without loads and loads of blood.

Except, few regimes ever matched the Soviets for sheer inhumanity, or for overt hostility to the West. And all of a sudden, over the course of just a couple of years, the whole thing collapsed and pretty much nobody saw it coming. So it becomes pretty necessary that the primary course of action with these regimes should be containment, until that nation is on a direct course of action to attack someone else.

We know there's unrest in Iran, with a well supported opposition that government was forced to come down on very hard, just to maintain power. The collapse of the theocracy in Iran is far more forseeable than the sudden collapse of the Soviet Union was. So really, the only practical course of action is containment.

sebster wrote:

Karon wrote:If there was ever a war I supported, it would be against the morons who are blinded by Religion.

I assumed he ws referring to the "Bible Belt" here in the U.S.

We go to war with Iran I will personally go to a tailer shop and have a velcro patch (cresent shape) with WWAAAGGGHHHHH on it

Jihadin wrote:We go to war with Iran I will personally go to a tailer shop and have a velcro patch (cresent shape) with WWAAAGGGHHHHH on it

Do you have some sort of personal dispute with the Sasanids?

The US are the warmongers of the world. If the rest of us civilised nations just nuked ye out of the water then all the jyhadists would leave us alone!

Personally I don't think the US would even bother getting involved in Iran, especially after Iraq and Afghanistan....would likely turn into political suicide for whoever's in power over here. I'm not sure that Israel would do a whole lot either, they have been seen in a bad light before, and an aggressive war against Iran would have consequences for them in the region and globally.

ShumaGorath wrote:Religious, racial, and nationalist prejudice plays significantly into directing American foreign policy. Americans don't like Muslim countries. Any of them, really.

We don't? Damn, I'm sure the Libyans are going to be sad to hear that.

I suppose I should admit when I am wrong. It seems my initial assumption was incorrect. My apologies.

Iran would get destroyed in a war against a US led coalition. The problem is western nations lack the will to occupy and "reeducate" the populace. (which is a good thing, we don't need a return to imperialism)

warpcrafter wrote:NSFW, but totally applicable. George cut right to the core of the matter 20 years ago. I elect him for sainthood.

That video always reminds me of just how alike the UK and our US cousins are.

We suck at everything, the Germans and the Japs make the best cars, we have no more industry, we suck at almost everything.. and yet, were good at invading people, and we do it as often as possible.

What I don't get is why are we so obsessed with having a strong military though!? I mean, we clearly are, we love to crow on about winning wars. And yet.. countries with gakky military forces like Norway and Finland and Denmark are waaaaay better places to live.

biccat wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Religious, racial, and nationalist prejudice plays significantly into directing American foreign policy. Americans don't like Muslim countries. Any of them, really.

We don't? Damn, I'm sure the Libyans are going to be sad to hear that.

I suppose I should admit when I am wrong. It seems my initial assumption was incorrect. My apologies.

Americans hated Libyans for two generations. I doubt that's going to change now. We're back to disliking Egyptians again and I don't hear anyone clamoring for airstrikes to save Syrians. Americans love a good underdog story, but that story is over now. Give it 3 years and we'll be back to wishing they would just be less muslim. The number of times I've heard people on this board advocate nuking the entirety of the Mideast can't be counted on my fingers and toes. Pretending that Americans act somehow logically towards that region is foolish.

mattyrm wrote:

warpcrafter wrote:NSFW, but totally applicable. George cut right to the core of the matter 20 years ago. I elect him for sainthood.

That video always reminds me of just how alike the UK and our US cousins are.

We suck at everything, the Germans and the Japs make the best cars, we have no more industry, we suck at almost everything.. and yet, were good at invading people, and we do it as often as possible.

What I don't get is why are we so obsessed with having a strong military though!? I mean, we clearly are, we love to crow on about winning wars. And yet.. countries with gakky military forces like Norway and Finland and Denmark are waaaaay better places to live.

Europeans (or white people) are good at war.

Look at Europe's history. You have these people that are almost identical in terms of appearance and yet they brutally murder each other and constantly develop new and improved ways to do so at a rate that far outstrips the rest of the world in the name of religion and state.


Edit: This sums it up. http://exile.ru/transient/151/europeans-chart.html

Zyllos wrote:

Flashman wrote:...They made clear that Barack Obama, has no wish to embark on a new and provocative military venture before next November's presidential election...

This right here is why this country is dumb and messed up. The election of the president and US officials has factors in rather if our country declares war on another nation. Makes no sense to me...

Yeah, popular election of our leaders is such a pain, isn't it? Civilian control of the military is another PITA. If we just had some strong leaders not beholden to the will of the people, we could go to war with all those totalitarian regimes and show them what it means to be free.

warspawned wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Here's an awesome concept. Leave us the feth alone or we'll nuke you. Once the oil runs out you're irrelevant.

Is that the Iranian perspective or America's?

Yes.


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biccat wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Religious, racial, and nationalist prejudice plays significantly into directing American foreign policy. Americans don't like Muslim countries. Any of them, really.

We don't? Damn, I'm sure the Libyans are going to be sad to hear that.

I suppose I should admit when I am wrong. It seems my initial assumption was incorrect. My apologies.

Don't forget Bosnia, Somalia, Kosovo and of course those evil navy missions to Indonesia to help them after the tsunami. Because we just don't like dem muslims.

Frazzled wrote:

warspawned wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Here's an awesome concept. Leave us the feth alone or we'll nuke you. Once the oil runs out you're irrelevant.

Is that the Iranian perspective or America's?

Yes.


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biccat wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Religious, racial, and nationalist prejudice plays significantly into directing American foreign policy. Americans don't like Muslim countries. Any of them, really.

We don't? Damn, I'm sure the Libyans are going to be sad to hear that.

I suppose I should admit when I am wrong. It seems my initial assumption was incorrect. My apologies.

Don't forget Bosnia, Somalia, Kosovo and of course those evil navy missions to Indonesia to help them after the tsunami. Because we just don't like dem muslims.

Yep, one shortly lived aid mission and three failed interventions that were rapidly backed away from. Hell, we're in the bottom half of countries for aid given to Indonesia as a percentage of GDP. We spent more blowing up segments of Pakistan that year before accelerating the campaign in the area. Hell, we gave more to Israel so that they could bulldoze peoples homes and bomb things for us.

Do you honestly believe that Americans don't dislike muslims? Have you watched television recently? You want me to dredge up some quotes about that NY mosque fraz? You all said some pretty choice stuff.

ShumaGorath wrote:How many of those countries are in the middle east?

How is that relevant. You stated that "Americans don't like Muslim countries."

Do you think that Muslim countries don't exist outside of the Middle East?

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

warspawned wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Here's an awesome concept. Leave us the feth alone or we'll nuke you. Once the oil runs out you're irrelevant.

Is that the Iranian perspective or America's?

Yes.


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biccat wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Religious, racial, and nationalist prejudice plays significantly into directing American foreign policy. Americans don't like Muslim countries. Any of them, really.

We don't? Damn, I'm sure the Libyans are going to be sad to hear that.

I suppose I should admit when I am wrong. It seems my initial assumption was incorrect. My apologies.

Don't forget Bosnia, Somalia, Kosovo and of course those evil navy missions to Indonesia to help them after the tsunami. Because we just don't like dem muslims.

How many of those countries are in the middle east?

YOU DIDN"T ASK THAT. YOU SAID MUSLIM COUNTRY. I guess that means you get double facepalm!

biccat wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:How many of those countries are in the middle east?

How is that relevant. You stated that "Americans don't like Muslim countries."

Do you think that Muslim countries don't exist outside of the Middle East?

Yeah, the edit took longer then i intended. That was a bumper.


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Frazzled wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

warspawned wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Here's an awesome concept. Leave us the feth alone or we'll nuke you. Once the oil runs out you're irrelevant.

Is that the Iranian perspective or America's?

Yes.


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biccat wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Religious, racial, and nationalist prejudice plays significantly into directing American foreign policy. Americans don't like Muslim countries. Any of them, really.

We don't? Damn, I'm sure the Libyans are going to be sad to hear that.

I suppose I should admit when I am wrong. It seems my initial assumption was incorrect. My apologies.

Don't forget Bosnia, Somalia, Kosovo and of course those evil navy missions to Indonesia to help them after the tsunami. Because we just don't like dem muslims.

How many of those countries are in the middle east?

YOU DIDN"T ASK THAT. YOU SAID MUSLIM COUNTRY.

Do you all just sit here and refresh constantly? I also said Americans were stupid and didn't know the difference, but that's beside the point.


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Oh, now you aren't all DDOSing this page with refreshes. I see. Just gonna leave that guy up there I see.

ShumaGorath wrote:

biccat wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:How many of those countries are in the middle east?

How is that relevant. You stated that "Americans don't like Muslim countries."

Do you think that Muslim countries don't exist outside of the Middle East?

Yeah, the edit took longer then i intended. That was a bumper.

Check the times. I reponded 4 minutes after your post. Frazzled responded more than 10 minutes later.

ShumaGorath wrote:I also said Americans were stupid and didn't know the difference, but that's beside the point.

Well, apparently some don't.

Check the times. I reponded 4 minutes after your post. Frazzled responded more than 10 minutes later.

Like I said, longer then intended. I'm at work so I pause responses a lot. It's my bad, I shouldn't of rushed out something that was kind of idiotic then taken so long to fill in.

Well, apparently some don't.

A statistical minority that's prone to talking about geopolitics a lot. This site has what? Forty thousand accounts? We have maybe a half dozen in here talking about this? Geographical education in America is a dead horse, the statistics are out there and they aren't pretty.

Prove it

AustonT wrote:Prove it

http://www.ednewscolorado.org/2011/07/19/21545-u-s-geography-scores-disappoint

Fourth result on google for 'american education geography'. Though honestly, any even vaguely similar search gives numerous results that are similar. As a caveat, I have not polled thousands of people myself.

No mention of GPS dependence or google earth. Apparently our excuse quotient is lowering too.

how do i delete this?

I should have QFT

Let's try and avoid pejorative generalisations about entire national groups.

Except for Leichtensteinians of course. They're like, mountainous n stuff.

I wasn't speaking of the Bible Belt.

Countries that are governed on a religious basis should be obliterated, was my point.

Religion was reasonable when everyone didn't know gak about the world and the universe, and we just said "God made us, god created us, dats the truth" hundreds of years ago.

Now? It makes zero sense, and these countries that still hold on to that bs to RUN THEIR COUNTRY, are beyond moronic.

Karon wrote:I wasn't speaking of the Bible Belt.

Countries that are governed on a religious basis should be obliterated, was my point.

Religion was reasonable when everyone didn't know gak about the world and the universe, and we just said "God made us, god created us, dats the truth" hundreds of years ago.

Now? It makes zero sense, and these countries that still hold on to that bs to RUN THEIR COUNTRY, are beyond moronic.

Yeah, we should totally kill millions of civilians with no control over how their country's run. Every single one of those people is individually responsible for what their leaders do.

"offers free cups of Haterade to everyone"

Muslim religion to me is just another religion. Muslim extremist is the ones you have to watch out for. Just unfortunaly a lot of them are uneducated and illetirate so when a "leader" reads from the Koran its select passages that favors the extremist view....got off track here........I say put a Walmart in the problem countries and let them fight it out over who's going to be the employee who greets people at the door

TrollPie wrote:

Karon wrote:
Yeah, we should totally kill millions of civilians with no control over how their country's run. Every single one of those people is individually responsible for what their leaders do.

Can we start with Mississippi?


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Phototoxin wrote:The US are the warmongers of the world. If the rest of us civilised nations just nuked ye out of the water then all the jyhadists would leave us alone!

Sort of amusing comment considering one of the biggest warhawks on this forum is a hate spewing Brit who brags about wanting to kill all the "brown people" from certain regions of the globe, etc.

Stupidity and hate are not restricted to the US when it comes to Western nations, and I think many of the Muslims living on your island would agree...