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Frazzled wrote:That money would be used in the actual econmics to generate goods and services that people actually want, not more stifling paper pushing bureaucrats.
Sure, just not necessarily in the United States.
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CptJake wrote:So again, too lazy or ignorant to take care of their loved one is your reasoning for needing Gov't intervetion.
So if a straight couple is married it isn't government intervention to get their benefits, but if it is a gay couple it is?
Its government intervention.
Which seems to be an argument that government shouldn't be in the business of defining marriage at all.
Exactly.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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CptJake wrote:So again, too lazy or ignorant to take care of their loved one is your reasoning for needing Gov't intervetion.
So if a straight couple is married it isn't government intervention to get their benefits, but if it is a gay couple it is?
Its government intervention.
Which seems to be an argument that government shouldn't be in the business of defining marriage at all.
Exactly.
bingo
Of course, no one in politics ever actually seriously suggests this, not even Ron Paul (then again, given that Ron Paul is a conservative nut on par with Santorum, this is hardly surprising).
But I must admit, it actually kinda sounds rather petty and spiteful instead of principled at first glance (though I'm not claiming it actually is, as I can certainly understand the libertarian point here), as if you're saying "if we are going to allow gays to marry, then we're going to take marriage away from EVERYONE!"
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CptJake wrote:So again, too lazy or ignorant to take care of their loved one is your reasoning for needing Gov't intervetion.
So if a straight couple is married it isn't government intervention to get their benefits, but if it is a gay couple it is?
Its government intervention.
Which seems to be an argument that government shouldn't be in the business of defining marriage at all.
Exactly.
bingo
Of course, no one in politics ever actually seriously suggests this, not even Ron Paul (then again, given that Ron Paul is a conservative nut on par with Santorum, this is hardly surprising).
But I must admit, it actually kinda sounds rather petty and spiteful instead of principled at first glance, as if you're saying "if we are going to allow gays to marry, then we're going to take marriage away from EVERYONE!"
NNNNNNNN! Wrong answer thank you for playing. Excellent projection of your own fears and biases though.
Government should stay out of the marriage business. If Julia wants to marry a goat thats her and her religion's call. Aint go all to do with rights or liberties though.
If you want to amalgamate these rights for efficiency into a social contract than there's no issue here for libertarians. Go for it.
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Samus_aran115 wrote:
Yeah, I don't know either. God, I love this country, but man, we have some serious widespread idiocy here.
Dont worry about it, thats everywhere.
In fact.. everywhere is the fething same. I don't know why we cling to this notion of a difference, we should just rename the entire English speaking world "Megacity X" and accept the fact that there is feth all difference other than ridiculous things like.. slightly odder shaped cars or slightly different coffee.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Frazzled wrote:NNNNNNNN! Wrong answer thank you for playing.
No it's not. You should go back and read what I posted.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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Melissia wrote:Of course, no one in politics ever actually seriously suggests this, not even Ron Paul (then again, given that Ron Paul is a conservative nut on par with Santorum, this is hardly surprising).
Ron Paul - October 2011: "Biblically and historically, the government was very uninvolved in marriage. I like that. I don't know why we should register our marriage to the federal government. I think it's a sacrament"
biccat wrote:I don't know why we should register our marriage to the federal government. I think it's a sacrament"
Which doesn't contradict my statement.
Despite your assertions otherwise, state governments are still governments.
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-- Adam Serwer
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biccat wrote:
Ron Paul - October 2011: "Biblically and historically, the government was very uninvolved in marriage. I like that. I don't know why we should register our marriage to the federal government. I think it's a sacrament"
We don't register marriage to the federal government.
Ouze wrote:If this is what the OT is like now, can you image what it's gonna be like in October and November?
Hilarious and amazing.
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Ouze wrote:If this is what the OT is like now, can you image what it's gonna be like in October and November?
A veritable rum and wiener dog filled thrill ride of adventure!!!
On the positive it won't be as good as our Avengers Mother Day Eve Extravanagnza, replete with wine, then booze at the Brewhouse whilst we watch said movie. i'm going to get pizza and Merlot with a nice desert wine chaser. Yee ha!
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Speaking of mothers day (off topic yay) I sold one of my books (the other one was being replaced with a new edition, so I'm gonna have to sell it on ebay or something) and I think I have enough to get her a belated mothers day gift. Which is nice, as I haven't had enough to give gifts since Dec last year.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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Thats how social movements work. Its a matter of time.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
As I understand the situation, the controversy is that some churches object to the government using the word marriage for civil licensed contractual life partnerships between people who would not be allowed to marry according to the rites of the specific churches.
Samus_aran115 wrote:
Yeah, I don't know either. God, I love this country, but man, we have some serious widespread idiocy here.
Dont worry about it, thats everywhere.
In fact.. everywhere is the fething same. I don't know why we cling to this notion of a difference, we should just rename the entire English speaking world "Megacity X" and accept the fact that there is feth all difference other than ridiculous things like.. slightly odder shaped cars or slightly different coffee.
Admit it mattyrm, your soft stance on this subject was a direct result of your man-dates with Alby, wasn't it?!?!
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Come again some other day
The devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say" Weak and Powerless - APC
Personally I disagree. Personally, I even think same-sex relationships should happen. I think it is unnatural to feel sexually of romantic attraction.to a person of the same gender as you.
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
I disagree with.Obama or anyone else who encourage same-sex marriage/civil union. I also disagree with same sex relationships romantic, sexual or otherwise, believing it is unnatural to.feel attraction to others of the same sex as yourself.
In short, Obama is wrong , IMHO.
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Deadshot wrote:Personally I disagree. Personally, I even think same-sex relationships should happen. I think it is unnatural to feel sexually of romantic attraction.to a person of the same gender as you.
I think he's saying he doesn't agree with same sex relationships because it's unnatural.
If we're going the natural root, about 1500 species have been observed to engage in homosexual behaviour, and in 500 it's a very well documented phenomenon, including most primates (our closest living ancestors).
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"Quite jolly, what about you?"
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Polonius wrote:Also, GW products aren't movies. They can't be "spoiled."
I suppose the surprise can be spoiled, but still, nobody is paying for the surprise.
Like any responsible adult I have a Five Year Plan. It culminates in me becoming Batman.
I disagree with.Obama or anyone else who encourage same-sex marriage/civil union. I also disagree with same sex relationships romantic, sexual or otherwise, believing it is unnatural to.feel attraction to others of the same sex as yourself.
In short, Obama is wrong , IMHO.
Thankfully your opinion is in the ever increasing minority.
It could be argued that allowing severely mentally or physically handicapped infants to live is also unnatural on the basis that there is a good chance they will never be able to take care of themselves on their own. That is a pointless argument to make though, since there is no evidence that homosexuality is unnatural.
Tell me, what is natural? Conjoined twins? Are children born with their heart outside their bodies natural?
I disagree with.Obama or anyone else who encourage same-sex marriage/civil union. I also disagree with same sex relationships romantic, sexual or otherwise, believing it is unnatural to.feel attraction to others of the same sex as yourself.
In short, Obama is wrong , IMHO.
Thanks for clarifying that you're wrong.
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
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Aside from spouting religious hatred and pseudoscientific falsehoods?
Amaya wrote:
Deadshot wrote:Let me explain.
I disagree with.Obama or anyone else who encourage same-sex marriage/civil union. I also disagree with same sex relationships romantic, sexual or otherwise, believing it is unnatural to.feel attraction to others of the same sex as yourself.
In short, Obama is wrong , IMHO.
Thankfully your opinion is in the ever increasing minority.
It could be argued that allowing severely mentally or physically handicapped infants to live is also unnatural on the basis that there is a good chance they will never be able to take care of themselves on their own. That is a pointless argument to make though, since there is no evidence that homosexuality is unnatural.
Tell me, what is natural? Conjoined twins? Are children born with their heart outside their bodies natural?
all to do with rights or liberties though.
