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Bromsy wrote:I have to say, after what - about ninety seven of these gay marriage debates here, the only point I think is interesting is that most seem to think hetero and homosexual relationships are better bestiality because animals can't give consent ( I think they are better 'cause banging animals is weird), which means that we're all enabling literally countless cases of animal rape since animals can't consent and yet we just go on letting them bang each other. In many cases, we work hard to make sure that happens.

Hmm. I have no idea where I am going with this. Stupid massive amounts of rum.

Animals can't file lawsuits and use money.

You've clearly never read animal farm.

Clearly have. The animals should've noticed the alcohol change to the commandments.

All marriages are equal, some are just more equal than others?

I would prefer a referendum than just a straight pass. Also, I would much prefer the term Cival Partnership.

People seem to hate conservatism a lot these days. I'm sick of people saying "Do what you want, it's their lives" but when the conservative view is put on the table they run to the hill shouting "Oh my, Biggot, biggot." Conservatives like me are being lenient. If I was put in Government I would have Conserative areas which Conservative families can live in peace without being called "Biggoted".

Hate speech is free speech. Athiests can make all sorts of absurd claims about religons yet we can't sue them for "Hate speech". Throw politcal correctness out of the windows, it is unneeded and it ends with unnessacary court cases. If you call me a homophobe, you are cleary a conservaphobe. End of line, intil the LGB(T) Community changes it's message from:

To something a lot more presentable and more appealing to Conservatives then I will take this seriously. It makes me wonder if people who oppose it should make a black and white flag with circles on it as a joke. Seriously quit the flag concept, it's not working, to me it seems like you want your own little Nation. Make a presentable argument and stop spamming the same thing over and over again. Also, the Flamboyancy is a big turn off for a lot of older and younger people, that needs to stop.

So basically as long as they act and behave like you want them to, you're okay with possibly thinking they might be human beings. How frelling generous of you.

But thanks for the images I tend to forget how wonderful conservative messages are:



I'm hardly a "conservaphobe". I don't give two shazbots what you do with your life. You can spend all day praying and doing whatever else you do.

What I have a problem with, is when you try forcing that frelling puritanism on the rest of the nation. I'm more than content to let you live your life how you want, so why can't you return the favor and let others live how they want?

Someone once described Puritanism to me as "the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, might be happy". I laughed when I first heard it, but seeing what "christians" in this nation have become...

rockerbikie wrote:I would prefer a referendum than just a straight pass.

Popular referendums are, quite possibly, one of the single worst things to ever befall democratic governments.

rockerbikie wrote:
I'm sick of people saying "Do what you want, it's their lives" but when the conservative view is put on the table they run to the hill shouting "Oh my, Biggot, biggot."

Yes, that's called having your views challenged, its generally what follows from giving voice to your convictions.

rockerbikie wrote:
Conservatives like me are being lenient. If I was put in Government I would have Conserative areas which Conservative families can live in peace without being called "Biggoted".

I won't lie, if your first reaction is to isolate yourself from anyone that's different, then you're not doing yourself any favors in the "I'm not a bigot." department.

rockerbikie wrote:Seriously quit the flag concept, it's not working, to me it seems like you want your own little Nation.

You know that flags are used by groups other than nations, right?

streamdragon wrote:What I have a problem with, is when you try forcing that frelling puritanism on the rest of the nation. I'm more than content to let you live your life how you want, so why can't you return the favor and let others live how they want?

So basically as long as they act and behave like you want them to, you're okay with possibly thinking they might be human beings?

That is, in fact, exactly what I said. Yes, my exact words even! It's like there's an echo or something!

biccat wrote:

streamdragon wrote:What I have a problem with, is when you try forcing that frelling puritanism on the rest of the nation. I'm more than content to let you live your life how you want, so why can't you return the favor and let others live how they want?

So basically as long as they act and behave like you want them to, you're okay with possibly thinking they might be human beings?

I could have sworn that what he was saying was " I will tolerate you as long as you tolerate me."

Must have been my brainwashed liberal mind that made me misunderstand.

d-usa wrote:
I could have sworn that what he was saying was " I will tolerate you as long as you tolerate me."

Must have been my brainwashed liberal mind that made me misunderstand.

There's always a problem when you start talking about tolerance in that you're necessarily asking another, presumably intolerant, person to modify his behavior; thereby casting the person requesting tolerance as intolerant. This same basic issues crops up almost every time any sort of political or social buzz word is used, "freedom" is a good example.

Of course, we can always just move into the debate over whether or not sexuality is more important to any given person than their views on the sexuality of any other particular person, which generally favors the argument for the legalization of same-sex marriage much more.

rockerbikie wrote:I would prefer a referendum than just a straight pass. Also, I would much prefer the term Cival Partnership.

People seem to hate conservatism a lot these days. I'm sick of people saying "Do what you want, it's their lives" but when the conservative view is put on the table they run to the hill shouting "Oh my, Biggot, biggot." Conservatives like me are being lenient. If I was put in Government I would have Conserative areas which Conservative families can live in peace without being called "Biggoted".

Hate speech is free speech. Athiests can make all sorts of absurd claims about religons yet we can't sue them for "Hate speech". Throw politcal correctness out of the windows, it is unneeded and it ends with unnessacary court cases. If you call me a homophobe, you are cleary a conservaphobe. End of line, intil the LGB(T) Community changes it's message from:

Spoiler:

To something a lot more presentable and more appealing to Conservatives then I will take this seriously. It makes me wonder if people who oppose it should make a black and white flag with circles on it as a joke. Seriously quit the flag concept, it's not working, to me it seems like you want your own little Nation. Make a presentable argument and stop spamming the same thing over and over again. Also, the Flamboyancy is a big turn off for a lot of older and younger people, that needs to stop.

This.

dogma wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:I would prefer a referendum than just a straight pass.

Popular referendums are, quite possibly, one of the single worst things to ever befall democratic governments.

rockerbikie wrote:
I'm sick of people saying "Do what you want, it's their lives" but when the conservative view is put on the table they run to the hill shouting "Oh my, Biggot, biggot."

Yes, that's called having your views challenged, its generally what follows from giving voice to your convictions.

rockerbikie wrote:
Conservatives like me are being lenient. If I was put in Government I would have Conserative areas which Conservative families can live in peace without being called "Biggoted".

I won't lie, if your first reaction is to isolate yourself from anyone that's different, then you're not doing yourself any favors in the "I'm not a bigot." department.

rockerbikie wrote:Seriously quit the flag concept, it's not working, to me it seems like you want your own little Nation.

You know that flags are used by groups other than nations, right?

I was offered a flier in the street once for a Gay Rights Festival. I said no politely. He said if I say no, I'm a biggot. Then I said, I'm a conservative, leave me alone, I don't want anything to do with the festival. Then the stupid accusations get shot at me. Is that fair? I accept the existance. Also, nobody got the flag joke. The Flag has no meaning like other Flags, the Aborginal flag has a meaning for each colour. The flag is just a mess. I accept homosexuals in the community but saying that I convict them by not allowing Gay Marriage is too extreme.

Of course fox news tries to push the "gay pride parade" images around, they get people riled up and thus get people to watch their channels. But you don't see fox news showing images like this:



Because it wouldn't benefit their ratings.

rockerbikie wrote:Athiests can make all sorts of absurd claims about religons yet we can't sue them for "Hate speech"

Name me one mainstream atheist view of Religion that is "absurd" please. I'm genuinely interested to hear the retort.


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dogma wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:I would prefer a referendum than just a straight pass.

Popular referendums are, quite possibly, one of the single worst things to ever befall democratic governments.

True enough old chap.

The general public know more about the X factor than politics.

I only like the idea of a referendum if the people that want to vote in it get forced to pass an exam pertinent to the topic being discussed before they do so!

rockerbikie wrote:I would prefer a referendum than just a straight pass. Also, I would much prefer the term Cival Partnership.

People seem to hate conservatism a lot these days. I'm sick of people saying "Do what you want, it's their lives" but when the conservative view is put on the table they run to the hill shouting "Oh my, Biggot, biggot." Conservatives like me are being lenient. If I was put in Government I would have Conserative areas which Conservative families can live in peace without being called "Biggoted".

Hate speech is free speech. Athiests can make all sorts of absurd claims about religons yet we can't sue them for "Hate speech". Throw politcal correctness out of the windows, it is unneeded and it ends with unnessacary court cases. If you call me a homophobe, you are cleary a conservaphobe. End of line, intil the LGB(T) Community changes it's message from:

Spoiler:

To something a lot more presentable and more appealing to Conservatives then I will take this seriously. It makes me wonder if people who oppose it should make a black and white flag with circles on it as a joke. Seriously quit the flag concept, it's not working, to me it seems like you want your own little Nation. Make a presentable argument and stop spamming the same thing over and over again. Also, the Flamboyancy is a big turn off for a lot of older and younger people, that needs to stop.

so you want to put all the conservatives in interment camps? Cool.

If you use your bible to justify any position you hold, you open it up to criticism, that is not hate speech. Showing how the bible endorsed slavery is not bashing your religion, its your religion, you should know what your book says. If their is morally repugnant stuff in your bible, maybe you should send it in for a remake.

You have no right to tell anyone to stop anything, they can be as flamboyant as they want to be. If you don't like it, thats your problem. If you think you have some sort of right to tell them how to live, then you are being the bigot.

sirlynchmob wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:I would prefer a referendum than just a straight pass. Also, I would much prefer the term Cival Partnership.

People seem to hate conservatism a lot these days. I'm sick of people saying "Do what you want, it's their lives" but when the conservative view is put on the table they run to the hill shouting "Oh my, Biggot, biggot." Conservatives like me are being lenient. If I was put in Government I would have Conserative areas which Conservative families can live in peace without being called "Biggoted".

Hate speech is free speech. Athiests can make all sorts of absurd claims about religons yet we can't sue them for "Hate speech". Throw politcal correctness out of the windows, it is unneeded and it ends with unnessacary court cases. If you call me a homophobe, you are cleary a conservaphobe. End of line, intil the LGB(T) Community changes it's message from:

Spoiler:

To something a lot more presentable and more appealing to Conservatives then I will take this seriously. It makes me wonder if people who oppose it should make a black and white flag with circles on it as a joke. Seriously quit the flag concept, it's not working, to me it seems like you want your own little Nation. Make a presentable argument and stop spamming the same thing over and over again. Also, the Flamboyancy is a big turn off for a lot of older and younger people, that needs to stop.

so you want to put all the conservatives in interment camps? Cool.

If you use your bible to justify any position you hold, you open it up to criticism, that is not hate speech. Showing how the bible endorsed slavery is not bashing your religion, its your religion, you should know what your book says. If their is morally repugnant stuff in your bible, maybe you should send it in for a remake.

You have no right to tell anyone to stop anything, they can be as flamboyant as they want to be. If you don't like it, thats your problem. If you think you have some sort of right to tell them how to live, then you are being the bigot.

I am not Christian. Christianity is not conservatism. I am Asatruan. I'm pointing out, if they want me to take the idea of Gay Marriage seriously, then they should not act like that.

You have no right to tell anyone to stop anything.

Let's pick on this for a second. So, you have no right to stop a person comitting suicide or something else which is not too smart. Nice thinking buddy.

So because some gay people act in a way you dislike, all of them don't deserve to be taken seriously.

Lovely.

Also your last point was pants on head idiotic.

I repeat myself:

Melissia wrote:Of course fox news tries to push the "gay pride parade" images around, they get people riled up and thus get people to watch their channels. But you don't see fox news showing images like this:

Spoiler:

(yes, I know it's from a soap opera)

Because it wouldn't benefit their ratings.

There's plenty of other pictures, but they get ignored because they don't support their worldview.

Straight college student on spring break, the debauchery is outrageous. All straight people must be horrible if that is how they act.

mattyrm wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:Athiests can make all sorts of absurd claims about religons yet we can't sue them for "Hate speech"

Name me one mainstream atheist view of Religion that is "absurd" please. I'm genuinely interested to hear the retort.


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dogma wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:I would prefer a referendum than just a straight pass.

Popular referendums are, quite possibly, one of the single worst things to ever befall democratic governments.

True enough old chap.

The general public know more about the X factor than politics.

I only like the idea of a referendum if the people that want to vote in it get forced to pass an exam pertinent to the topic being discussed before they do so!

Religon is the cause of all Wars. Compulsary voting is better than Intellectual Voting.


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MrDwhitey wrote:So because some gay people act in a way you dislike, all of them don't deserve to be taken seriously.

Lovely.

Also your last point was pants on head idiotic.

He said, you have no right to stop someone from doing something. He did not say within reason did he so?

rockerbikie wrote:Religon is the cause of all Wars.

I've never seen it be argued that it is the cause of allw wars.

But it is certainly a rather strong fact that religion has caused, or influenced the causing, of quite a few wars.

Wars are almost never started for a single reason of course.

rockerbikie wrote:
Religon is the cause of all Wars.

No Atheist with half a brain ever said that.

Did you replace "lots of" with "all" by chance?

Melissia wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:Religon is the cause of all Wars.

I've never seen it be argued that it is the cause of allw wars.

But it is certainly a rather strong fact that religion has caused, or influenced the causing, of quite a few wars.

Wars are almost never started for a single reason of course.

I've heard the argument a lot. The Athiest I've listened to also believe that Religon is the cause of all problems in the modern world.

rockerbikie wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:I would prefer a referendum than just a straight pass. Also, I would much prefer the term Cival Partnership.

People seem to hate conservatism a lot these days. I'm sick of people saying "Do what you want, it's their lives" but when the conservative view is put on the table they run to the hill shouting "Oh my, Biggot, biggot." Conservatives like me are being lenient. If I was put in Government I would have Conserative areas which Conservative families can live in peace without being called "Biggoted".

Hate speech is free speech. Athiests can make all sorts of absurd claims about religons yet we can't sue them for "Hate speech". Throw politcal correctness out of the windows, it is unneeded and it ends with unnessacary court cases. If you call me a homophobe, you are cleary a conservaphobe. End of line, intil the LGB(T) Community changes it's message from:

Spoiler:

To something a lot more presentable and more appealing to Conservatives then I will take this seriously. It makes me wonder if people who oppose it should make a black and white flag with circles on it as a joke. Seriously quit the flag concept, it's not working, to me it seems like you want your own little Nation. Make a presentable argument and stop spamming the same thing over and over again. Also, the Flamboyancy is a big turn off for a lot of older and younger people, that needs to stop.

so you want to put all the conservatives in interment camps? Cool.

If you use your bible to justify any position you hold, you open it up to criticism, that is not hate speech. Showing how the bible endorsed slavery is not bashing your religion, its your religion, you should know what your book says. If their is morally repugnant stuff in your bible, maybe you should send it in for a remake.

You have no right to tell anyone to stop anything, they can be as flamboyant as they want to be. If you don't like it, thats your problem. If you think you have some sort of right to tell them how to live, then you are being the bigot.

I am not Christian. Christianity is not conservatism. I am Asatruan. I'm pointing out, if they want me to take the idea of Gay Marriage seriously, then they should not act like that.

You have no right to tell anyone to stop anything.

Let's pick on this for a second. So, you have no right to stop a person comitting suicide or something else which is not too smart. Nice thinking buddy.

If the person wants to commit suicide, let him. quite a few people prefer the term euthanasia. If you come across someone dying with a DNR bracelet, would you give them cpr?

mattyrm wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:
Religon is the cause of all Wars.

No Atheist with half a brain ever said that.

Did you replace "lots of" with "all" by chance?

Australian Athiests have claimed that but they must count as the most unrealistic out of them.

mattyrm wrote:Name me one mainstream atheist view of Religion that is "absurd" please. I'm genuinely interested to hear the retort.

I'm pretty sure Dawkins argued that religion is child abuse.

Maybe the few you know are. They certainly sound it, though I doubt we're getting an honest approximation.

sirlynchmob wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:I would prefer a referendum than just a straight pass. Also, I would much prefer the term Cival Partnership.

People seem to hate conservatism a lot these days. I'm sick of people saying "Do what you want, it's their lives" but when the conservative view is put on the table they run to the hill shouting "Oh my, Biggot, biggot." Conservatives like me are being lenient. If I was put in Government I would have Conserative areas which Conservative families can live in peace without being called "Biggoted".

Hate speech is free speech. Athiests can make all sorts of absurd claims about religons yet we can't sue them for "Hate speech". Throw politcal correctness out of the windows, it is unneeded and it ends with unnessacary court cases. If you call me a homophobe, you are cleary a conservaphobe. End of line, intil the LGB(T) Community changes it's message from:

Spoiler:

To something a lot more presentable and more appealing to Conservatives then I will take this seriously. It makes me wonder if people who oppose it should make a black and white flag with circles on it as a joke. Seriously quit the flag concept, it's not working, to me it seems like you want your own little Nation. Make a presentable argument and stop spamming the same thing over and over again. Also, the Flamboyancy is a big turn off for a lot of older and younger people, that needs to stop.

so you want to put all the conservatives in interment camps? Cool.

If you use your bible to justify any position you hold, you open it up to criticism, that is not hate speech. Showing how the bible endorsed slavery is not bashing your religion, its your religion, you should know what your book says. If their is morally repugnant stuff in your bible, maybe you should send it in for a remake.

You have no right to tell anyone to stop anything, they can be as flamboyant as they want to be. If you don't like it, thats your problem. If you think you have some sort of right to tell them how to live, then you are being the bigot.

I am not Christian. Christianity is not conservatism. I am Asatruan. I'm pointing out, if they want me to take the idea of Gay Marriage seriously, then they should not act like that.

You have no right to tell anyone to stop anything.

Let's pick on this for a second. So, you have no right to stop a person comitting suicide or something else which is not too smart. Nice thinking buddy.

If the person wants to commit suicide, let him. quite a few people prefer the term euthanasia. If you come across someone dying with a DNR bracelet, would you give them cpr?

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about people with Mental Ilnesses or Personality Disorders. People who you can help. DNR are used in rare cases for incurable illnesses.