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OverwatchCNC wrote:

mortetvie wrote:

Phazael wrote:They can't use dedicated transports, but the non dedicated are fair game, at least for battle brothers.

The BRB says "not even battle brothers can embark in allied transport vehicles." I would assume this means ANY transport, dedicated or not.

Yep. It does not specify dedicated and therefore all transports are off limits.

You are correct and I was wrong. Missed that when I read it for some reason (probably old age). But add 35 points for a pod and the point remains valid. Wolves allied to IG is an easy way to abuse the crap out of allies. Two strongest books get to be battle brothers, while nids sit in the corner going "me so ronery!"......

I think that allies are mainly implemented for fluff/thematic considerations as opposed to balance considerations since some armies benefit A LOT more than others from the matrix and parts of the allied matrix make no sense to me (I don't see how SM or Eldar would ever ally with ORKS in any way, SM constantly try to purge Orks while Beil Tan is on a genocidal rampage against them and other Eldar are loathe to even think of such an alliance...).

Case in point as Q pointed out, everyone gets some form of allies except nids? I guess GW forgot about genestealer cults and how the hive mind can enslave other races to do their will (zee Zoats).

All the Allies Doom (tm) at the moment is mostly theoretical. Everyone peed their pants over Tau Broadsides with <anything>!? Eldrad with <anything>!?; we saw both of those at the event to no great calamity. Only Eldrad cracked the top ten in that respect. Granted, we didn't see Epidemius, but I still don't get how people think he's going to survive long enough to work.

I'm sure once guys have a chance to buy and build some models for some of the more eyebrow-raising ally options, we might see some power builds come out of that, but parking lot IG was super strong for a while, Space Wolves were top kick for a while, Grey Knights rickrolled people for a while... there's always going to be power builds that are innately stronger than armies built without tournament power in mind. What's the difference if now they have allies instead of being from one book?

And all that aside, I think Hulksmash said it that any significant expense for allies dilutes the main force in such a way that they don't necessarily do what they are supposed to do quite as well. It's like getting the half a sandwich and cup of soup combo for lunch... sure I get a cup of soup, but now I only have half a sandwich!

Regardless of all that, Allies seem to be here to stay, at least for the duration of 6th. They will be in my tournaments.

Why Grey knights are still on top

Mmm, soup...

Grey knights are boss, that's why.
Especially when there are very few actual grey knights in the list.
Also soup is fantastic.

hey tuff love, I know who you is but your avatar threw me off with flashbacks of some crazy rude arguments from the past. nice to see you on here. On a side note I think were under valueing the half sandwich. sometimes I just don't want a full sandwich

Most of the ally lists I've actually seen written out don't seem too bad. Most of the panic seems to come from the more theoretical possible combinations.

Maybe at higher point levels there will be a more powerful build that I am unaware of but at the levels that I usually play at it hasn't been an issue so far.

Dok wrote:Mmm, soup...

Tuff Love wrote:Also soup is fantastic.

Grimgob wrote:On a side note I think were under valueing the half sandwich. sometimes I just don't want a full sandwich

I don't think you guys are getting this...

It's a half...

of...

a sandwich!

Soup is food's last chance to be eaten. A full sandwich > any quantity of soup and less than a full sandwich.

lunch aside, I'm writing a "how it should be" treatise on what the new dawn of 40k tournaments should be. It's going to be my benchmark for events that I run and I'll have it up here soon, for all interested parties.

In Soviet Russia, soup>sandwich... And I am inclined to agree (mmm goulash).

Commie.

OverwatchCNC wrote:Commie.

In Soviet Russia...you would not be heard from again...


On a side note, what will the next points limit be? I vote for 1850!