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 precinctomega wrote:
Point of information: GW King's Lynn is ending open gaming, not all gaming. They will still have organized having activities: tournaments, leagues, campaigns, narrative games and suchlike.

R.

The problem is that in all likelihood means a few hours a week as a 'vets night' then the rest of it is beginners stuff, intro games, escalation leagues (for people getting into a new system) and the occasional big battle where everyone is only allowed to bring 2 units.

Well as a result of my local GWs stopping open gaming two new gaming clubs have sprung up. The funny thing is one of these now has a GW trade account selling to members at 20% off rrp so as a consequence those stores have already lost those customers. More are sure to follow.

 precinctomega wrote:
Point of information: GW King's Lynn is ending open gaming, not all gaming. They will still have organized having activities: tournaments, leagues, campaigns, narrative games and suchlike.

R.

So, do please come along when we're promoting something new and need photos for the facebook page or to send to our regional manager, do please engage in our gaming when we're pushing something specific hard and need to get the little kiddies drifting past to want to come in an see what all the fuss is about.

But otherwise, stay the feth out, you smelly, antisocial bastards, because we're scared shitless you are going to say something that goes against our mantra of absolute devotion to the corporate motherland and we actually perceive any of you who've been gaming more than a year to be a hostile entity as you've been exposed to the internet and 'dangerous ideas'.

PhantomViper wrote:

GAMES WORKSHOP, KINGS LYNN wrote:
The most important of these changes is that we will be bringing to a close our open gaming. This is great news

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I'm sorry, but I can't be the only person to find this hilarious!

I noticed that too! SO I will join you in your derisive laughter: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

This is all out of proportion - this is specific to only one gaming store, not all of them. I've read page 1 and can't be bothered reading the other 6.

 stubacca wrote:
This is all out of proportion - this is specific to only one gaming store, not all of them. I've read page 1 and can't be bothered reading the other 6.

The post refers to one gaming store but this IS occurring in GWs across several countries. The move to small one man stores and the removal of open gaming in existing, larger stores is happening, it's just not happening in one fell swoop, it's being rolled out gradually over months.

There have been posts like this popping up from UK, US and Oz.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 stubacca wrote:
This is all out of proportion - this is specific to only one gaming store, not all of them. I've read page 1 and can't be bothered reading the other 6.

The post refers to one gaming store but this IS occurring in GWs across several countries. The move to small one man stores and the removal of open gaming in existing, larger stores is happening, it's just not happening in one fell swoop, it's being rolled out gradually over months.

There have been posts like this popping up from UK, US and Oz.

Really?? Ah well, it doesn't overly affect me. It just seems like it's kids/annoying teenagers playing in them anyway, from the local GW stores I've been in

I know that this has been touched on before in this thread, but exactly how does this:

The most important of these changes is that we will be bringing to a close our open gaming.

somehow equate to this:

This is great news

Exactly how is it supposed to be better to drive all the way to a local GW (some of us have a really long drive) than just to buy from their Online Store? Pretty soon, both places will be offering exactly the same level of Employee-Consumer interactions (ie, swipe credit/debit card and leave)!!

Yes, like this one:

http://apocalypse40k.blogspot.com/2013/01/games-workshop-to-close-los-angeles.html

or this one:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?363602-Games-Workshop-Cambridge-No-casual-games-or-casual-painting-Intros-and-lessons-ONLY

or this one:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?353512-GW-store-bannes-play

or this one:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?352385-cambridge-GW-(and-many-other-UK-GWs)-changing-hours-Sign-of-things-to-come

Not really even a hard look - first page of Google results. Most of those threads also mention other stores that are cutting off open gaming as well (or have cut hours to the point where they only people who could reasonably game are soccer moms and kindergarten students on half days).

Yeah but for some people that is their only option.

Personally what I like about GW stores is the ability to go there at any point and time and be able to get a game in. Toronto has a bunker-ish GW with 6-8 gaming tables, however I have a feeling that they are on the chopping block shortly, to make matters worse their basement is full of the glass cabients and relics from the old GW Canada HQ, if it goes up, I guarantee most of the things there will end up in a landfill.

There's no money to be made with kids just taking up space when you could have demo tables, or stock, anything that'll help you make money in place of annoying, swearing, messy, smelly kids. So it's great news for the GW.

And that's the best form of interaction! Who wants some mouth breather pestering you about what army you play, only to try and sell you the super shiny new thing, that you don't actually need?


It probably means the store will stay around for longer. Business rates are ridiculous for some towns. Like in my home town, some stores in The Mall are paying £100,000 a year in rates, and that's some of the cheapest! If you're staying open till 8pm but after 5pm you're paying out more in electricity and wages than you're making I can totally understand GW got cutting back, it's for the good of the long term life of the store. Sure, it'll affect some people but if it means people are in jobs for longer, that's all good

When all there is to a brick and mortar store is shelves of product and a cashier to ring you out, how is that better than the Internet? The shipping from GW online is less than 1/4 of the gas I would spend getting to the nearest GW storefront.

 stubacca wrote:
There's no money to be made with kids just taking up space when you could have demo tables, or stock, anything that'll help you make money in place of annoying, swearing, messy, smelly kids. So it's great news for the GW.

And that's the best form of interaction! Who wants some mouth breather pestering you about what army you play, only to try and sell you the super shiny new thing, that you don't actually need?


It probably means the store will stay around for longer. Business rates are ridiculous for some towns. Like in my home town, some stores in The Mall are paying £100,000 a year in rates, and that's some of the cheapest! If you're staying open till 8pm but after 5pm you're paying out more in electricity and wages than you're making I can totally understand GW got cutting back, it's for the good of the long term life of the store. Sure, it'll affect some people but if it means people are in jobs for longer, that's all good

There's no money to be made if no one goes to your store because everyone thinks you're a bunch of raging dickbags either.






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 AegisGrimm wrote:
When all there is to a brick and mortar store is shelves of product and a cashier to ring you out, how is that better than the Internet? The shipping from GW online is less than 1/4 of the gas I would spend getting to the nearest GW storefront.

Bingo, you pay where you play, and if Im not able to use your product in your store why in hell would I support your store?

 azreal13 wrote:
We have a great club running in North Devon, plenty of players, loads of space and terrain, loads of different systems played.

Come join us, even if you have to move!

We have one in Plymouth thats pretty good also!

 Ravenous D wrote:

 stubacca wrote:
There's no money to be made with kids just taking up space when you could have demo tables, or stock, anything that'll help you make money in place of annoying, swearing, messy, smelly kids. So it's great news for the GW.

And that's the best form of interaction! Who wants some mouth breather pestering you about what army you play, only to try and sell you the super shiny new thing, that you don't actually need?


It probably means the store will stay around for longer. Business rates are ridiculous for some towns. Like in my home town, some stores in The Mall are paying £100,000 a year in rates, and that's some of the cheapest! If you're staying open till 8pm but after 5pm you're paying out more in electricity and wages than you're making I can totally understand GW got cutting back, it's for the good of the long term life of the store. Sure, it'll affect some people but if it means people are in jobs for longer, that's all good

There's no money to be made if no one goes to your store because everyone thinks you're a bunch of raging dickbags either.

So because I like to play walk in games at the local GW, I am a "raging dickbag"?

You misunderstood.

Stubacca said that there is no money to be made with kids and neck beards clogging up your store just playing games. My response was that if you kick all them out they are likely not to support you and tell other people not to support you because the store (and company), not the people in it, are indeed, raging dickbags.

Plus I already said that I game at a local GW, I buy paint there primarily, and the occasional kit to keep the king of england out of my face. If they get turned into a one man store with no play space, then I have no reason what so ever to game there, or support them.

 Happygrunt wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

 stubacca wrote:
There's no money to be made with kids just taking up space when you could have demo tables, or stock, anything that'll help you make money in place of annoying, swearing, messy, smelly kids. So it's great news for the GW.

And that's the best form of interaction! Who wants some mouth breather pestering you about what army you play, only to try and sell you the super shiny new thing, that you don't actually need?


It probably means the store will stay around for longer. Business rates are ridiculous for some towns. Like in my home town, some stores in The Mall are paying £100,000 a year in rates, and that's some of the cheapest! If you're staying open till 8pm but after 5pm you're paying out more in electricity and wages than you're making I can totally understand GW got cutting back, it's for the good of the long term life of the store. Sure, it'll affect some people but if it means people are in jobs for longer, that's all good

There's no money to be made if no one goes to your store because everyone thinks you're a bunch of raging dickbags either.

So because I like to play walk in games at the local GW, I am a "raging dickbag"?

Pretty sure GW would be the DB...not people at the stores.

In context - the quoted text says good riddance to in store gamers because...well he finds them beneath him. In response to a store that has no gaming, Ravenous says why go there at all - especially if everyone thinks they are a bunch of DB. Since there is no gaming...the reference would be to the proprietor of the store as opposed to the patrons.

 Happygrunt wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

 stubacca wrote:
There's no money to be made with kids just taking up space when you could have demo tables, or stock, anything that'll help you make money in place of annoying, swearing, messy, smelly kids. So it's great news for the GW.

And that's the best form of interaction! Who wants some mouth breather pestering you about what army you play, only to try and sell you the super shiny new thing, that you don't actually need?


It probably means the store will stay around for longer. Business rates are ridiculous for some towns. Like in my home town, some stores in The Mall are paying £100,000 a year in rates, and that's some of the cheapest! If you're staying open till 8pm but after 5pm you're paying out more in electricity and wages than you're making I can totally understand GW got cutting back, it's for the good of the long term life of the store. Sure, it'll affect some people but if it means people are in jobs for longer, that's all good

There's no money to be made if no one goes to your store because everyone thinks you're a bunch of raging dickbags either.

So because I like to play walk in games at the local GW, I am a "raging dickbag"?

Yeh, he didn't mean customers, I'm guessing. It was more aimed at GW being 'raging dickbags'


Also I wouldn't say I consider myself above them, the kids in the Preston/Manchester store, even the ones playing Magic at my local FLGS are a bunch of ill-mannered ass hats

Anyway, I've a hockey game to watch. Beer time!

Its pretty much all word of mouth, if you arent going to charge full price, and offer nothing then what incentive is there?

Like I said, being able to get a game anytime is the big reason I go to GW stores, take that away and I have to schedule games at an FLGs once a week. I have a table and terrian in my man cave, but playing my 4 buddies over and over is boring as hell.

This is almost certainly going to be interpreted the wrong way, but I don't give a frack.

At what point in time did all these GW white knights in this forum turn into such elitist jerks?

Almost all the people defending this move seem to be saying that the people that actually play at a GW store are nothing but malodorous neckbeards and screaming teenagers and are implying that they somehow don't deserve to enjoy the same game as they do... I have honestly never seen such attitude towards fellow gamers in any other miniature game! Just because they don't have an alternative gaming space like a club or a table at their house then they are somehow beneath you and worthy of insults? Are you serious?

PhantomViper wrote:
This is almost certainly going to be interpreted the wrong way, but I don't give a frack.

At what point in time did all these GW white knights in this forum turn into such elitist jerks?

Almost all the people defending this move seem to be saying that the people that actually play at a GW store are nothing but malodorous neckbeards and screaming teenagers and are implying that they somehow don't deserve to enjoy the same game as they do... I have honestly never seen such attitude towards fellow gamers in any other miniature game! Just because they don't have an alternative gaming space like a club or a table at their house then they are somehow beneath you and worthy of insults? Are you serious?

Yep.



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 stubacca wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
This is almost certainly going to be interpreted the wrong way, but I don't give a frack.

At what point in time did all these GW white knights in this forum turn into such elitist jerks?

Almost all the people defending this move seem to be saying that the people that actually play at a GW store are nothing but malodorous neckbeards and screaming teenagers and are implying that they somehow don't deserve to enjoy the same game as they do... I have honestly never seen such attitude towards fellow gamers in any other miniature game! Just because they don't have an alternative gaming space like a club or a table at their house then they are somehow beneath you and worthy of insults? Are you serious?

Yep.

On a serious note though, I'm not saying every store is like that, just the local ones to me. Also I've had enough experience in retail (managing a GW stockist, as well as chief tech in a bowling alley) to have a severe dislike of all customers haha

Also I wouldn't say I consider myself above them, the kids in the Preston/Manchester store, even the ones playing Magic at my local FLGS are a bunch of ill-mannered ass hats

If you don't consider yourself to be above an ill-mannered ass hat - you might want to consider seeing a therapist.

 Ugavine wrote:
I welcome GW stores not having open gaming.

It's a shop, not a club.

Personally I can't stand it when you can get to shelves due to a crowd of kids who are not buying anything.

I avoid my FLGS on tournament days for the same reason.

That's pretty poorly designed for a FLGS then. All the ones I've been to have all products up front, and then a larger open room at the back for gaming.

Seriously guys this has happened to my two nearest local GWs, and considering i am too young to drive, and the only games i could get were around 600-750pts at my school's gaming club, and everyone there has fallen into 'GW rules the world' trap and have no signs of ever getting out, I literally couldn't get a decent game anywhere. But luckily for me a FLGS opened up, literally a 30s walk from my closet GW.

That FLGS saved my life.

 Grimtuff wrote:


Already pointed that little factoid out.

My bad, buddy! Couldn't be bothered reading through the first few pages though!

This thread has shown me that several of GW's stores have actually shut down their gaming tables, despite what I thought beforehand...

 Gyrtop wrote:
That's pretty poorly designed for a FLGS then. All the ones I've been to have all products up front, and then a larger open room at the back for gaming.

Most of the ones I've been to (in the US, Canada, Germany and France) have always had tables somewhat near the product shelves because seeing people pushing around their fancy space men is what seems to get them to take the plunge themselves.

My local GW is running a bunch of events and such, according to their Facebook page but I honestly have no idea if they do or ever did allow open gaming. It has, in all honesty, never really occured to me that people would play pick up games in a GW, in my mind that's what FLGSs and gaming clubs have always been for. I do know they do scheduled games, I've played a few there whenever the manager has an anglophone come in who doesn't speak French but I don't know if people just show up unannounced to play.

I have actually been on the receiving end of this managers policies, I used to be a regular in the store where she is the manager before she took over and I was spending on average £30 ish a week (usually buying something every other week) with plenty of friendly games against other regulars and newbie alike.

Since she has taken over I have been made to feel unwelcome (through this no open gaming and other things) and therefore no longer go in unless I need paint or something urgently.

It really sucks as it limits my frequency of gaming. The only upside is that now I save circa 20% on all my purchases from online shops!!

Honestly, that just seems like a recipe for shrink. Pretty much every store in town I've been to has segregated gaming and retail space, with a fairly small choke point that people have to pass through (usually right in front of the register) to get from one to the other.

 tuebor wrote:

 Gyrtop wrote:
That's pretty poorly designed for a FLGS then. All the ones I've been to have all products up front, and then a larger open room at the back for gaming.

Most of the ones I've been to (in the US, Canada, Germany and France) have always had tables somewhat near the product shelves because seeing people pushing around their fancy space men is what seems to get them to take the plunge themselves.

My local GW is running a bunch of events and such, according to their Facebook page but I honestly have no idea if they do or ever did allow open gaming. It has, in all honesty, never really occured to me that people would play pick up games in a GW, in my mind that's what FLGSs and gaming clubs have always been for. I do know they do scheduled games, I've played a few there whenever the manager has an anglophone come in who doesn't speak French but I don't know if people just show up unannounced to play.

Open games = scheduled games. An open game is a game that isn't a demo or that isn't part of an organized store even that means scheduled games are out as well.

 progreen10 wrote:
They practically just focus on getting new people into the hobby, taking all their money, then providing them with no support afterwards. My GW has 4 tables. 3 of them are for beginners. The last table has to be booked in advance and even when you do get a game there, they rush you, because apparently they don't want you "lingering". They always seem to have 'some sort of event' a short time after you book a table, and you "HAVE to be done by a certain time". Funnily enough, there is very rarely an event on, and even when there is, barely anyone turns up for it.

Feeling like a Veteran returning from war and no one wants a bar of you?

your not alone, there are many veterans of this hoby who believe/think/know their is little to no support for them. but as stated above or below or somewhere in this thread, that it isn't a new practise, [color=darkred]GW seems to have given up it's addictions and is going cold turkey at the same time withdrawing into itself in a buisiness POV, boxing it self in the corner. [/color]

wheras before they were on top and cornering the market (niche wargame) now they seem to be glutted (glutton- best i can offer) itself and is now sated. for the moment atleast. or maybe they Really are restructuring their playsystem.

Many new guys complain of that player who is obese, smells, has bad social attitude, and hygeine with Clique groups who exclude newer players. maybe it is a direct way to curb that kind of mannerism within the confines of the establishment. just some thoughts and support to let you know you are not alone.




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 Dalteth wrote:
I have actually been on the receiving end of this managers policies, I used to be a regular in the store where she is the manager before she took over and I was spending on average £30 ish a week (usually buying something every other week) with plenty of friendly games against other regulars and newbie alike.

Since she has taken over I have been made to feel unwelcome (through this no open gaming and other things) and therefore no longer go in unless I need paint or something urgently.

It really sucks as it limits my frequency of gaming. The only upside is that now I save circa 20% on all my purchases from online shops!!

While this does indeed suck, give a moment of thought to those not lucky or privileged to have a GW store nearby or a stockist which is a FLGS. the closest I have is 2 options for gaming 1. is my brother when he isn't drunk or playing league of legends or 2. go the FLGS which doesn't support 40k, one of the games i am a FAN/Fanatic of. i get roughly maybe 3-4 games a year, and i'd like it to change but as the years roll by the less interested i become. because it seems everyone in my area Lismore NSW AU seem not interested in 40k and who can blame them with some of the new policies being introduced to "not" support the consumer who supports their company indirectly/directly. but enough of my "rant" about my completel lack of gaming (beside in cairns, nth qld au, but since i am a stale veteran who knows too much i am not welcome)