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2013/10/15 19:25:45
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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I hate Space wolves but damn the Wulfen should be cool!
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2013/10/15 19:37:40
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
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 Kain wrote: Wolf Lord Kevin wrote: Kain wrote: Wolf Lord Kevin wrote: Kain wrote:
Actually some of the Primarchs already have stats from Forgeworld. And yes, Horus costs a ton.
I heard about this but haven't seen it yet :( Friend of mine showed me an image of Horus and Angron's stats and gear etc but I would like to see em all especially Russ'
I'm sure everyone will get their time in the soon enough.
Can't wait to see all the Primarchs get their own models....I still want get my hands on the really awesome looking Russ one but seeing Forge World do one is going to be so awesome o-o Fulgrim and Angron look so beast!
I'm sure the Space wolves will also get a pretty nice "unique unit" for their legion too.
A return of the Wolfen models would be amazing! Heck the return of the 13th company as a whole would be amazing! Heck already drooling from thinking of it....o-o
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"We may be few, and our enemies many. Yet so long as there remains one of us still fighting, one who still rages in the name of justice and truth, then by the Allfather, the galaxy shall yet know hope."
-Jarl Ragnar Blackmane
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2013/10/16 13:09:03
Subject: Re:The most powerful Primarch
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Terminator with Assault Cannon
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Ha ha ha, mr. Bike samerai only has one vote. Lol.
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2013/10/16 13:34:35
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Ruthless Interrogator
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Alpharius, the man has no personal pride staying buried in the background. A man with bags of ambition but no desire for personal glory is one to watch!
Other than that the just plain nasty mr cruse, he is a git.
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2013/10/17 15:22:19
Subject: Re:The most powerful Primarch
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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Leman Russ (melee beast, general, battle cunning, hunter, anti-psyker, executioner ) or Magnus the Red (epic psychic power, physical beast and a scholar)...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/10/17 19:48:31
Subject: Re:The most powerful Primarch
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
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 DarthMarko wrote:Leman Russ (melee beast, general, battle cunning, hunter, anti-psyker, executioner ) or Magnus the Red (epic psychic power, physical beast and a scholar)...
Your signature....That right there....is a huge win....Though your choice kinda interests me...You sport The Lion as your sign yet you back the wolf and the psyker who can rival the Emperor. I like this 
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"We may be few, and our enemies many. Yet so long as there remains one of us still fighting, one who still rages in the name of justice and truth, then by the Allfather, the galaxy shall yet know hope."
-Jarl Ragnar Blackmane
3301pts
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2013/10/18 01:39:37
Subject: Re:The most powerful Primarch
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Flashy Flashgitz
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Leman Russ,
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2013/10/18 03:17:03
Subject: Re:The most powerful Primarch
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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Wolf Lord Kevin wrote: DarthMarko wrote:Leman Russ (melee beast, general, battle cunning, hunter, anti-psyker, executioner ) or Magnus the Red (epic psychic power, physical beast and a scholar)...
Your signature....That right there....is a huge win....Though your choice kinda interests me...You sport The Lion as your sign yet you back the wolf and the psyker who can rival the Emperor. I like this
Nah, I'm messing with the profile just for fun...And i like them all (in a way)...But Russ is a freaking Vladimir Kulitch of 40k...and I'm a wolf man - 1000%.....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/10/18 08:34:31
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Stalwart Space Marine
The Sawmill
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MUTHAFUGGIN VULKAN.
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2013/10/18 15:53:55
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Ghastly Grave Guard
Uk
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well he'd just be killed over and over again by a better primarch
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2013/10/18 20:08:36
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
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ouch bro way to smack Vulkan dude Automatically Appended Next Post: DarthMarko wrote: Wolf Lord Kevin wrote: DarthMarko wrote:Leman Russ (melee beast, general, battle cunning, hunter, anti-psyker, executioner ) or Magnus the Red (epic psychic power, physical beast and a scholar)...
Your signature....That right there....is a huge win....Though your choice kinda interests me...You sport The Lion as your sign yet you back the wolf and the psyker who can rival the Emperor. I like this
Nah, I'm messing with the profile just for fun...And i like them all (in a way)...But Russ is a freaking Vladimir Kulitch of 40k...and I'm a wolf man - 1000%.....
I can exalt this. I can exalt this a lot 
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"We may be few, and our enemies many. Yet so long as there remains one of us still fighting, one who still rages in the name of justice and truth, then by the Allfather, the galaxy shall yet know hope."
-Jarl Ragnar Blackmane
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2013/10/19 15:12:58
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Terminator with Assault Cannon
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I discount Russ beating Magnus. Magnus wanted to lose. He was in a 'weak' mindset.
No doubt Russ is powerful. Designed as the Emperor's executioner.
But Magnus @ 100% would be hard for anyone but the Emperor to bring down.
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= Epic First Post.
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2013/10/19 15:39:58
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
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 Lobukia wrote:Can't be Horus, for all his gifts, he was a moral weakling, easily manipulated and led like a dog on the hunt
Can't be Angron, he could not progress beyond the single dimension that defined him
Can't be Mortarion, inability to see the bigger truth that he was saved from being wasted, and in turn became that which he hated most
Can't be Russ, he is the ultimate errand boy and axe man, but never aspired to more
Can't be Lorgar, that sad piece of filth's only bold move was betrayal. Locking him in as the cross between Loki and Commodos that he is
Can't be Fulgrim, his weakness was so easily turned as for it to be almost laughable in its malleability.
Can't be Vulcan, for all his ability he lacked the drive to succeed that defines all great ones
Can't be Corax, his shame led to failures. An inability to cope with setbacks removes him from play
Can't be Konrad, that damaged psyche could barely handle being, let alone doing
Can't be Peturabo his anger and resentment harnessed him to a sled of bitterness and limited his ability to achieve
Can't be Ferrus, like so many of his siblings, great offences and challenges gave him tunnel vision with fatal consequences
Can't be Magnus, the Adonis to Tzeentch's Artemis
Can't be the Lion whose hubris showed him a paper tiger
Can't be Khan, a noble loaner who could not aspire to challenges outside the Great Hunt
Can't be Alpharius Omegon who reasoned themselves into fruitless betrayals and overreached trying to legitimize their losing horse in the Cabal's stable
I see only Sanguinius: able to stare the end of immortality down and risk it all to save all
Or Dorn, his father's castellan and loyal commander of good in defiance of evil
Or Guilliman, whose accolades, successes and laurels outshine them all... And with the humility to walk away from the seductive siren of power when he had the Imperium as his realm.
This is almost exactly how I reasoned it. With the exception of Magnus, all the traitor primarchs had a glaring character weakness that was maipulated by chaos. Magnus was shoved face first into his pact with Tzeentch, he'd resisted him time and time again but Russ basically held his head underwater and made him inhale chaos (analogy not literal).
If disregarding character traits, the 3 top tier Primarchs have to be Magnus, Horus and Sanguinius in that order. Vulkan comes a close 4th due to the sheer fact he can be decapitated and still hold a dialogue.
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2013/10/19 15:47:32
Subject: Re:The most powerful Primarch
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
Adelaide, South Australia
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Magnus did have a weakness, his overconfidence, he believed he had mastered the warp, that he could outsmart even Tzeentch. He definitely was the most difficult of the traitor Primarchs for chaos to turn though, they had to manipulate the Emperor and Russ into betraying him first before he turned.
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 Ailaros wrote:You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" |
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2013/10/19 15:51:01
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Chaos didn't manipulate the Emperor (I doubt they could) or Russ. Horus manipulated Russ by changing the order from "Arrest" to "Destroy."
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2013/10/19 15:53:49
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Ghastly Grave Guard
Uk
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 Deadshot wrote:Chaos didn't manipulate the Emperor (I doubt they could) or Russ. Horus manipulated Russ by changing the order from "Arrest" to "Destroy."
*Horus acting on behalf of chaos.
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2013/10/19 16:05:07
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Still, it was Horus, not Chaos itself.
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2013/10/19 17:00:01
Subject: Re:The most powerful Primarch
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
Adelaide, South Australia
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What about the Council of Nikea? Chaos was clearly manipulating the Emperor there.
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Ailaros wrote:You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" |
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2013/10/19 17:11:09
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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I don't really think so. I genuinely doubt Chaos COULD manipulate the Emperor.
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2013/10/19 18:25:17
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Terminator with Assault Cannon
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Deadshot wrote:I don't really think so. I genuinely doubt Chaos COULD manipulate the Emperor.
No, Chaos just broke into his sanctum and stole his babies.
Besides, the Emperor was making enough bone headed decisions on his own. Chaos didn't really need to manipulate him.
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JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.
= Epic First Post.
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2013/10/19 18:41:59
Subject: The most powerful Primarch
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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Powerful, as in personally?
All of the Primarchs have vastly superhuman physical abilities, and are all skilled warriors of perhaps varying potency.
But only one of them can destroy Titans with his mind, or rip the surface off a planet.
It's Magnus.
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