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 DarthOvious wrote:

Russ > Bacon

Nonsense! Bacon >> anything!

 PredaKhaine wrote:

 raiden wrote:


Its because they found an escape pod w/ Dorns gear, they "found" a skeletal remain, but are unsure if it is Dorn or not.

Do you know which book that was in?
I've definitely not read that one

They keep changing it.
I think it is Space Marine (1996) where they found the full body. But it eventually got retconned to two arms. And in the last codex is "When the Imperial Fists defeated the Chaos fleet, the only trace of their Primarch uncovered by their subsequent searching was a single fist."

Disclaimer: it is an old book. Space marines eat people, there are Slann and Chaos Squats, and some weird stuff going on in the IF chapter. I liked it a lot, though.

 raiden wrote:
fulgrim is possessed by a daemon, the real fulgrim is fighting a losing battle to regain control...

He sorted the demon out in Reflection Crack'd in the book 'The Primarchs'. Fulgrim is Fulgrim again. The demon got put in the poo painting.
A lot of people complained at the time as they said it detracted from his story.

And he's still a massive perv.


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 da001 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

Russ > Bacon

Nonsense! Bacon >> anything!

 PredaKhaine wrote:

 raiden wrote:


Its because they found an escape pod w/ Dorns gear, they "found" a skeletal remain, but are unsure if it is Dorn or not.

Do you know which book that was in?
I've definitely not read that one

They keep changing it.
I think it is Space Marine (1996) where they found the full body. But it eventually got retconned to two arms. And in the last codex is "When the Imperial Fists defeated the Chaos fleet, the only trace of their Primarch uncovered by their subsequent searching was a single fist."

Disclaimer: it is an old book. Space marines eat people, there are Slann and Chaos Squats, and some weird stuff going on in the IF chapter. I liked it a lot, though.

Thanks - I've been wondering and I'd seen people say it was just the wiki's that were wrong and Dorn was dead, so it's nice to have confirmation

PS

Russ>Bacon²

 raiden wrote:
fulgrim is possessed by a daemon, the real fulgrim is fighting a losing battle to regain control...

I thought that he already had gained control of his body back but he had to pretty much sell himself to Choas in order to do it.


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 da001 wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:

Russ > Bacon

Nonsense! Bacon >> anything!

They keep changing it.
I think it is Space Marine (1996) where they found the full body. But it eventually got retconned to two arms. And in the last codex is "When the Imperial Fists defeated the Chaos fleet, the only trace of their Primarch uncovered by their subsequent searching was a single fist."

Disclaimer: it is an old book. Space marines eat people, there are Slann and Chaos Squats, and some weird stuff going on in the IF chapter. I liked it a lot, though.

I think there doing all this to prepare a future where all the Primarchs come back in some fashion. Heck, even Sanguinius is not just simply dead anymore. His body is buried at Baal but his spirit potentially lives on in the Sanguinor. How come I have a feeling we will have some Voodoo ritual that will put Sanguinius back in his body.

I have to go with Fulgrim. He beat a Wraithlord's face in with his fist, popped Ulthwe's Avatar like a zit, and kicked Ferrus Mannus' iron ass. Although, I'm just getting started on the Horus Heresy books so my knowledge is limited.

jitactical wrote:
I have to go with Fulgrim. He beat a Wraithlord's face in with his fist, popped Ulthwe's Avatar like a zit, and kicked Ferrus Mannus' iron ass. Although, I'm just getting started on the Horus Heresy books so my knowledge is limited.

did some one recently finish reading Fulgrim by any chance

if we were going upon martial prowess alone, I would have to say Angron, sure he might be a berserk raging lunatic, but you can't say he wasn't a damn good killer plus he had martial honor .

Back to Fulgrim for second though, everyone seems to be forgetting that he was an amazing swordsman, this was before he knowingly became slaanesh's boy toy, as he was obsessed with becoming perfect in every way shape or form.

Then there is Magnus, this guy I just feel sorry for, everything he ever did was for the good of his legion/the emperor/ the universe, just he kept getting screwed over by Tzeentch at most corners. This is what lead to him being beaten by Russ, he was just super upset and moping. But he did then take to the battlefield and was destroying the wolves with mind bullets and flicks of hi fingers. When he got to the fight with Russ sure he had his back broken and lost in the end, but he did also punch Russ that hard in the chest he shattered his chest plate and punctured one of his hearts, a feat that no other primarch can match, well, not without cheating anyway. Plus Russ cheated and kicked Magnus in his eye, hell not even loyal slightly less berserk Angron would stoop to that level.

Corax I get impressed by, he went into a rage on the fields of Istavan which was is comparable to that of a slightly annoyed Angron (not much, but still damn angry) and was slicing through the Garl Vorbak with his lightning claws like a hot knife through butter. Lorgar saw this and charged in knowing he was going to die (gotta give Lorgar that) and Corax fought to kill him, impaling his claws into Lorgar and hoisting him off the ground, not even flinching to the multitude of headbutts he was reviving and as he was about to decapitate him, good old Curze intervened and stopped it (even though he admitted he would let him die next time which always has confused me, but then again batman has always been a bit of a weird primarch)

I feel like I should stop as I could frankly go one for hours on this topic

 DarthOvious wrote:

They keep changing it.
I think it is Space Marine (1996) where they found the full body. But it eventually got retconned to two arms. And in the last codex is "When the Imperial Fists defeated the Chaos fleet, the only trace of their Primarch uncovered by their subsequent searching was a single fist."

Disclaimer: it is an old book. Space marines eat people, there are Slann and Chaos Squats, and some weird stuff going on in the IF chapter. I liked it a lot, though.

I think there doing all this to prepare a future where all the Primarchs come back in some fashion. Heck, even Sanguinius is not just simply dead anymore. His body is buried at Baal but his spirit potentially lives on in the Sanguinor. How come I have a feeling we will have some Voodoo ritual that will put Sanguinius back in his body.

I am scared of this. I don´t like it when most of the characters keep resurrecting after a noble death, as it happens in some franchises. It sounds fun for a while, but it easily turns silly and ruins the entire background.

It could work for the primarchs though.

 raiden wrote:
It could work for the primarchs though.

Nah, I'm with da001 on this one. Sanguinius serves the story better in death. However I don't have a problem with Sanguinius' soul living on in the warp. It makes sense to me that even if Sanguinius himself wasn't powerful enough for his soul to be maintained in the warp that the Emperor would be powerful enough to protect Sanguinius' soul.

 PredaKhaine wrote:

Aftermath. wrote:
Horus is the most powerful after he was infused with Chaos. No question about it.

Runner up is Magnus. He took out a titan with psychic powers.

And Russ took Magnus out so we come full circle again

No, Russ' specialty was anti psyker, and he still only won because he got lucky.
So Magnus is again the most powerful by a degree of magnitude.

MOST BADASS MOTHER****** HAS TO BE CURZE HE BEAT THE SH*T OUT OF DORN
TURNED AN ENTIRE CRIMINAL PLANET TO LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AND FORESAW HIS OWN DEATH MEANING HE WAS INVINCIBLE UNTIL THAT POINT. NOW HE IS DEAD (UNFORTUNATELY )

 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:

 PredaKhaine wrote:

Aftermath. wrote:
Horus is the most powerful after he was infused with Chaos. No question about it.

Runner up is Magnus. He took out a titan with psychic powers.

And Russ took Magnus out so we come full circle again

No, Russ' specialty was anti psyker, and he still only won because he got lucky.
So Magnus is again the most powerful by a degree of magnitude.

Apart from one howl on Prospero that I know about, has Russ done anything else anti psyker?

 PredaKhaine wrote:

 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:

 PredaKhaine wrote:

Aftermath. wrote:
Horus is the most powerful after he was infused with Chaos. No question about it.

Runner up is Magnus. He took out a titan with psychic powers.

And Russ took Magnus out so we come full circle again

No, Russ' specialty was anti psyker, and he still only won because he got lucky.
So Magnus is again the most powerful by a degree of magnitude.

Apart from one howl on Prospero that I know about, has Russ done anything else anti psyker?

His armor is etched with anti psyker runes. It only takes 1 example to show anti psychic ability.

The only clear answer is Sanguinius-

Beat Ka-Bandha, greatest Bloodthirster of Khorne (according to certsin sources like C:GK, which is not the debate right now)
Saved the Imperium by causing a fracture in Horus' armour
Had Wings, he could fly without any assistance.
Resisted Horus' temptations, even though they were so close. The only other Primarch I remember to have done so is Ferrus Manus, who is dead.
Was the only one Warmaster Horus saw as his equal or superior. Horus said that Sanguinius should have been Warmaster.
He forswar his own death, and went ahead anyway. He gave his life for the Imperium, for humanity and for the Emperor. Vulkan and his Salamanders may be the most "humane" and relatable due to their closeness with their human neighbours, but Sanguinius saved the whole human race.


Close second would be Horus, as he was actually Warmaster, but recognised Sanguinius as equal or superior to himself.
He killed the Emperor.
He almost killed the Emperor (and in some people's opinion, the Emperor is dead anyway).
Ullanor.
Final Battle.

 zinogre wrote:
MOST BADASS MOTHER****** HAS TO BE CURZE HE BEAT THE SH*T OUT OF DORN
TURNED AN ENTIRE CRIMINAL PLANET TO LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AND FORESAW HIS OWN DEATH MEANING HE WAS INVINCIBLE UNTIL THAT POINT. NOW HE IS DEAD (UNFORTUNATELY )

Wait, he punk shot Dorn? So if Dorn had walked up and shot Konrad, he'd be cool?

Those citizens DIDN'T become law abiding, they all reverted the second he left. He sulked until his death (wow, cool). His own sons didn't even like him. Are the Night Lords pretty bad, yeah. Is their crybaby emo brat of a primarch... no, not really.

PS: want to have your posts ignored by the majority of the community? Type in all caps.

 Very Superstitious wrote:
Gotta go with The Lion.

Had the second most successful legion and he knocked Leman Russ out.

Also went with The Lion, for the same reason - proverbially knocking Russ "dafuqout".

 Haight wrote:

 Very Superstitious wrote:
Gotta go with The Lion.

Had the second most successful legion and he knocked Leman Russ out.

Also went with The Lion, for the same reason - proverbially knocking Russ "dafuqout".

They're mid tier.
Simply due to Magnus being a psyker he's technically the most powerful due to having the powers of the warp at his command. This is before we add on the fact that he's Alpha+++....++... psyker.

I don't think Horus was scared so much of Sanguinius' power, but more the fact that he had the charisma and other leadership skill to potentially replace him as the warmaster/champion of Chaos undivided. Granted, he was still pretty powerful, but I don't think he was at Leman Russ' level.

 PrinceRaven wrote:
I don't think Horus was scared so much of Sanguinius' power, but more the fact that he had the charisma and other leadership skill to potentially replace him as the warmaster/champion of Chaos undivided. Granted, he was still pretty powerful, but I don't think he was at Leman Russ' level.

Russ is upper mid tier.
Lets show the tier based on the HH.
Highest Tier: Magnus, Sangunius, Angron. All of these should be obvious. Magnus is the strongest due to being good at HTH, and being the second strongest psyker to ever live.
Upper Mid Tier: Horus, Russ (simply due to his anti psychic abilities), Vulkan (based on Vulkan lives, spoilers)
Mid Tier: Dorn, Kurze, Manus, Khan, Fulgrim, Johnson, Mortarion
Low Tier: Alpharius and Omegon, Lorgar

surprise surprise, another thread showing what a crush you guys have on vampires and werewolves. Did you guys just finish watching buffy, or twilight before you picked your army?

Also, since the question is "The most powerful Primarch" and not, "Who WAS the most powerful primarch" Sanguinius doesn't even qualify as bones are not particularly strong.

also to poster above me, How in your convoluted reasoning is Russ upper mid tier, and the Lion is mid-tier when the Lion knocked him out cold?

I think Fulgrim is a pretty cool guy. Eh, kills two primarchs and doesn't afraid of anything.

Niexist wrote:
surprise surprise, another thread showing what a crush you guys have on vampires and werewolves. Did you guys just finish watching buffy, or twilight before you picked your army?

Also, since the question is "The most powerful Primarch" and not, "Who WAS the most powerful primarch" Sanguinius doesn't even qualify as bones are not particularly strong.

also to poster above me, How in your convoluted reasoning is Russ upper mid tier, and the Lion is mid-tier when the Lion knocked him out cold?

I explained my reasoning. Russ has far more utility due to his anti psyker powers. These make him far better than the Lion against daemons, eldar, big nids, pretty much every beat stick other than the C'tan.

 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:

Niexist wrote:
surprise surprise, another thread showing what a crush you guys have on vampires and werewolves. Did you guys just finish watching buffy, or twilight before you picked your army?

Also, since the question is "The most powerful Primarch" and not, "Who WAS the most powerful primarch" Sanguinius doesn't even qualify as bones are not particularly strong.

also to poster above me, How in your convoluted reasoning is Russ upper mid tier, and the Lion is mid-tier when the Lion knocked him out cold?

I explained my reasoning. Russ has far more utility due to his anti psyker powers. These make him far better than the Lion against daemons, eldar, big nids, pretty much every beat stick other than the C'tan.

He's also a hot-head whose entire batle plan consists of CHAAAAAARRRGE!!! See, you're jumping to whatever suits you. Are we talking about 1v1 battle? Because Russ lost that. Are we talking about strategizing against foes like the eldar, nids etc? The lion wins there as well because he has a strategical mind that puts Russ to shame.

You can put the strongest bodybuilder in the world against a brilliant MMA fighter, and they'll lose everytime. It's like the same dumb arguement of superman vs batman. Yeah superman has strength, but with enough planning time, batman is far more effective against Superman, or any foe for that matter.

Also, don't forget that as far as success in the great crusade, the Lion, and the first legion is only second to Horus.

Niexist wrote:
surprise surprise, another thread showing what a crush you guys have on vampires and werewolves. Did you guys just finish watching buffy, or twilight before you picked your army?

Also, since the question is "The most powerful Primarch" and not, "Who WAS the most powerful primarch" Sanguinius doesn't even qualify as bones are not particularly strong.

Now I'm stuck wondering if 40k has a present.

He's also a hot-head whose entire batle plan consists of CHAAAAAARRRGE!!! See, you're jumping to whatever suits you. Are we talking about 1v1 battle? Because Russ lost that. Are we talking about strategizing against foes like the eldar, nids etc? The lion wins there as well because he has a strategical mind that puts Russ to shame. .

This.
Plus Russ was nothing more than an errand boy with a temper.

Edit: I completely butchered the quote. My apologies, Niexist.

Nidsnik Boreork wrote:
I think Fulgrim is a pretty cool guy. Eh, kills two primarchs and doesn't afraid of anything.

QFT !

I vote Horus becuase he was almost able to defeat the Emporor.

I voted Horus because he was the most powerful. The most badass I would say is Lorgar post Istvaan V or Angron.

It's got to be Horus for me.

How do you define "powerful" or "badass"?

While power is quantifiable and we could theoretically figure out who it's the most powerful, badassitude is not, and is purely subjective.

And to those claiming that Russ' entire battle plan is chaaaarge, just remember, the best defense is a strong offense.

Or is it the other way around?

Vulcan is a perpetual..........