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2013/10/14 19:49:06
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
Funding piecemeal is a DREAM COME TRUE for some conservative factions.
Oh, we can have DoD and weapons purchases and monuments but no enviornmental enforcement or food safety inspections or programs for the poor?
Yes please!
Approving the piecemeal bills would be incredibly short sighted for any legislator. Because next time it might be your favorite programs that, opps, we forgot to fund.
If someone wants to kill part of the Federal gov't (and I have my own list) they should put it in a bill and win the votes.
2013/10/14 20:07:42
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Funding piecemeal is a DREAM COME TRUE for some conservative factions.
Oh, we can have DoD and weapons purchases and monuments but no enviornmental enforcement or food safety inspections or programs for the poor?
Yes please!
Approving the piecemeal bills would be incredibly short sighted for any legislator. Because next time it might be your favorite programs that, opps, we forgot to fund.
If someone wants to kill part of the Federal gov't (and I have my own list) they should put it in a bill and win the votes.
Do you know the difference between Continuing Resolutions vs. Budget appropriations?
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2013/10/14 20:21:06
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
On todays episode of President Barry Boo Boo, ole Stompy Feet orders barrycades replaced and reinforced.
Are you 10?
Jihadin wrote: Rooting for the under dogs now. CCCOOOMMMEEEEE OONN TEA PARTY!!!! House and Senate to complacent. Being complacent gets one killed. Same thing year after year. Time for a Change we can believe in and the Tea Party actually making something known and felt. Suck it Obama and Reid. Say "Hi" to reps who listen to their constituents.
lol
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Rooting for the under dogs now. CCCOOOMMMEEEEE OONN TEA PARTY!!!! House and Senate to complacent. Being complacent gets one killed. Same thing year after year. Time for a Change we can believe in and the Tea Party actually making something known and felt. Suck it Obama and Reid. Say "Hi" to reps who listen to their constituents.
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Behind close doors the Tea Party Reps.....
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2013/10/14 21:11:09
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Funding piecemeal is a DREAM COME TRUE for some conservative factions.
And liberals. I know, we'll offer a budget that delays Obamacare for a year but doesn't include any funding for background checks for gun purchases!
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2013/10/14 21:21:30
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
yeri wrote: I'm trying to convince a family friend who's a judge to issue aresst warrants on the president, the cabinet, every member of congress, and every lobbiest we can get our hands on for charges of high treason.
Please make sure you post on youtube the video of those warrants being serviced. I think the public would want to see that.
Now I'm curious, aren't U.S. judges also subject to a Duty of Restreint? Because if so, that would basically be a career suicide. I mean, even more so then it would already be.
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2013/10/14 23:23:39
Subject: Re:To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
MWHistorian wrote: I'm always for civil disobedience in the face of illegal, stupid or immoral laws. The idea of arresting vets for protesting is sickening. Since when is America about blind obedience?
Nobody is suggesting that vets should be arrested purely for protesting.
Protesting by breaking the law, however, can lead to being arrested, and it seems problematic to hold Veterans as being above the law. Rather, I'd think that people who have served their country in such a capacity would recognize the need to follow the law and to either promote change through the proper methods of doing so, use legal methods of protest, or use methods that could risk them getting arrested and recognize they're doing so.
I mean, unless veterans are above the law...
Wasn't Obama praising the OCP movement as they clogged streets and hindered business, crapped in the same streets, threw garbage all over the place as well and generally doing a lot worse than the vets?
MWHistorian wrote: I'm always for civil disobedience in the face of illegal, stupid or immoral laws. The idea of arresting vets for protesting is sickening. Since when is America about blind obedience?
Nobody is suggesting that vets should be arrested purely for protesting.
Protesting by breaking the law, however, can lead to being arrested, and it seems problematic to hold Veterans as being above the law. Rather, I'd think that people who have served their country in such a capacity would recognize the need to follow the law and to either promote change through the proper methods of doing so, use legal methods of protest, or use methods that could risk them getting arrested and recognize they're doing so.
I mean, unless veterans are above the law...
Wasn't Obama praising the OCP movement as they clogged streets and hindered business, crapped in the same streets, threw garbage all over the place as well and generally doing a lot worse than the vets?
Based on the links you provided, making the observation "I think it expresses the frustrations the American people feel..." somehow translates to heaping overwhelming on it?
Poor analytical skill if I ever saw it.
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2013/10/15 01:43:45
Subject: Re:To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
MWHistorian wrote: I'm always for civil disobedience in the face of illegal, stupid or immoral laws. The idea of arresting vets for protesting is sickening. Since when is America about blind obedience?
Nobody is suggesting that vets should be arrested purely for protesting.
Protesting by breaking the law, however, can lead to being arrested, and it seems problematic to hold Veterans as being above the law. Rather, I'd think that people who have served their country in such a capacity would recognize the need to follow the law and to either promote change through the proper methods of doing so, use legal methods of protest, or use methods that could risk them getting arrested and recognize they're doing so.
I mean, unless veterans are above the law...
Wasn't Obama praising the OCP movement as they clogged streets and hindered business, crapped in the same streets, threw garbage all over the place as well and generally doing a lot worse than the vets?
Based on the links you provided, making the observation "I think it expresses the frustrations the American people feel..." somehow translates to heaping overwhelming on it?
Poor analytical skill if I ever saw it.
Not really. Where do you get overwhelming from, by the way? I could easily provide other links where he played to the occupiers if you want, but it isn't that far in the past that people don't have a lot of trouble remembering Obama basically tallking up the protesters.
2013/10/15 01:47:16
Subject: Re:To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
OWS thread is one of the "classic" we ever had on here. The video dissecting alone was quite fun.
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2013/10/15 02:11:26
Subject: Re:To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
MWHistorian wrote: I'm always for civil disobedience in the face of illegal, stupid or immoral laws. The idea of arresting vets for protesting is sickening. Since when is America about blind obedience?
Nobody is suggesting that vets should be arrested purely for protesting.
Protesting by breaking the law, however, can lead to being arrested, and it seems problematic to hold Veterans as being above the law. Rather, I'd think that people who have served their country in such a capacity would recognize the need to follow the law and to either promote change through the proper methods of doing so, use legal methods of protest, or use methods that could risk them getting arrested and recognize they're doing so.
I mean, unless veterans are above the law...
Wasn't Obama praising the OCP movement as they clogged streets and hindered business, crapped in the same streets, threw garbage all over the place as well and generally doing a lot worse than the vets?
Based on the links you provided, making the observation "I think it expresses the frustrations the American people feel..." somehow translates to heaping overwhelming on it?
Poor analytical skill if I ever saw it.
Not really. Where do you get overwhelming from, by the way? I could easily provide other links where he played to the occupiers if you want, but it isn't that far in the past that people don't have a lot of trouble remembering Obama basically tallking up the protesters.
You don't need to provide links, I know what he said and when he said it. I'm pointing out that you made a weak argument that has no bearing on the topic at hand. The President hasn't said anything about the "vets" march, good or bad, so how does the fact that he made positive remarks about the OWS protesters fit in this narrative?
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2013/10/15 02:58:17
Subject: Re:To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
MWHistorian wrote: I'm always for civil disobedience in the face of illegal, stupid or immoral laws. The idea of arresting vets for protesting is sickening. Since when is America about blind obedience?
Nobody is suggesting that vets should be arrested purely for protesting.
Protesting by breaking the law, however, can lead to being arrested, and it seems problematic to hold Veterans as being above the law. Rather, I'd think that people who have served their country in such a capacity would recognize the need to follow the law and to either promote change through the proper methods of doing so, use legal methods of protest, or use methods that could risk them getting arrested and recognize they're doing so.
I mean, unless veterans are above the law...
Wasn't Obama praising the OCP movement as they clogged streets and hindered business, crapped in the same streets, threw garbage all over the place as well and generally doing a lot worse than the vets?
Based on the links you provided, making the observation "I think it expresses the frustrations the American people feel..." somehow translates to heaping overwhelming on it?
Poor analytical skill if I ever saw it.
Not really. Where do you get overwhelming from, by the way? I could easily provide other links where he played to the occupiers if you want, but it isn't that far in the past that people don't have a lot of trouble remembering Obama basically tallking up the protesters.
You don't need to provide links, I know what he said and when he said it. I'm pointing out that you made a weak argument that has no bearing on the topic at hand. The President hasn't said anything about the "vets" march, good or bad, so how does the fact that he made positive remarks about the OWS protesters fit in this narrative?
Just noting the fact he was cheering the occupiers on as the were trashing the cities, obstructing business and in general being donkey-caves, and how he is giving the vets the silent treatment as they are being arrested. No comments about them expressing frustration and all that.
2013/10/15 03:50:19
Subject: Re:To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
Relapse wrote: Just noting the fact he was cheering the occupiers on as the were trashing the cities, obstructing business and in general being donkey-caves, and how he is giving the vets the silent treatment as they are being arrested. No comments about them expressing frustration and all that.
You're bridging on red herring territory here though. The fact that the President had positive things to say about a different group of people protesting a different thing in a different way a couple years ago has nothing to do with what is happening now. By the way, the related protest of truck drivers trying to clog one of the most heavily traveled roads around the District is obstructing business and interfering with the lives of residents of the area (like myself). They are being arrested for breaking the law, just like the OWS idiots were. Welcome to Civil Disobedience 101. They are being used as photo-op pawns by the same people that worked tirelessly to shut them out of the memorial the are so valiantly defending. Where were these Congresspeople the last 59 years before they built the memorial? Oh that's right, ignoring the legislation in the House proposed by a Democrat to get the memorial built.
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2013/10/15 04:18:41
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
You're definitely right the Vet's protest is being carried out differently than the occupiers. The vets aren't crapping on the streets and sidewalks and strewing trash about while interupting people's business. Add in the fact that they've gotten no kudos from Obama and that pretty much shows the difference between the two groups of protesters.
I think the truckers are also being asinine.
2013/10/16 15:05:26
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
Relapse wrote: You're definitely right the Vet's protest is being carried out differently than the occupiers. The vets aren't crapping on the streets and sidewalks and strewing trash about while interupting people's business. Add in the fact that they've gotten no kudos from Obama and that pretty much shows the difference between the two groups of protesters.
I think the truckers are also being asinine.
Yup. Shows OWS was/is an astro-turf movement, and the vets are grass roots.
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Easy E wrote: I'm glad this act of civil disobedience helped change the political narrative in Washington.
Oh wait......
It's just the "Cliff Notes" of what's happening nationwide:
The Resident in Chief supports those who support his political views, and makes hell on everyone else.
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2013/10/16 17:40:11
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
Easy E wrote: Can you provide me some mainstream links of this Civil Disobedience elsewhere?
I'm actually very interested in the topic.
What specifically are you looking for? I'd be happy to see what I can dig up but the last couple of posts have me no longer sure if we're talking about the WW2 memorial or OWS.
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2013/10/16 19:34:08
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
Easy E wrote: I'm thinking Civil Disobedience related to the recent shutdown. I think I have a feel for what happened on the Mall. I'm curious about elsewhere.
There was a "million veteran march" on October 13th. There was coverage of this on CNN, which gives a useful timeline.
And, although it's been covered, apparently NPS rangers are flat out telling people who go to the mall that the memorial is closed "unless you're there for a first amendment purpose", and then when (obviously) visitors say they are, they are allowed in. I can't imagine the NPS really wants any part of this nonsense.
Although, in at least some places, they are starting to write tickets.
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2013/10/16 20:22:34
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
Easy E wrote: I'm thinking Civil Disobedience related to the recent shutdown. I think I have a feel for what happened on the Mall. I'm curious about elsewhere.
There was a "million veteran march" on October 13th. There was coverage of this on CNN, which gives a useful timeline.
And, although it's been covered, apparently NPS rangers are flat out telling people who go to the mall that the memorial is closed "unless you're there for a first amendment purpose", and then when (obviously) visitors say they are, they are allowed in. I can't imagine the NPS really wants any part of this nonsense.
Although, in at least some places, they are starting to write tickets.
The hypocrisy of the National Park Service via the Department of the Interior (under direct control of the Executive Branch - read as office of the Resident ) in dealing with the Veterans as opposed to dealing with OWS:
You cant stop the signal.....
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2013/10/16 20:52:14
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
Easy E wrote: I'm thinking Civil Disobedience related to the recent shutdown. I think I have a feel for what happened on the Mall. I'm curious about elsewhere.
There was a "million veteran march" on October 13th. There was coverage of this on CNN, which gives a useful timeline.
And, although it's been covered, apparently NPS rangers are flat out telling people who go to the mall that the memorial is closed "unless you're there for a first amendment purpose", and then when (obviously) visitors say they are, they are allowed in. I can't imagine the NPS really wants any part of this nonsense.
Although, in at least some places, they are starting to write tickets.
So is all this civil disobedience standing up against government, or is it standing up "for" government? The only reason they are theoretically being restricted from the area is becaus eof the shutdown, therefore their is no government to stand up to. That's the problem.
The civil disobedience is taking place where they would normally be allowed, aren't you saying we need the Government to keep this places open; that's why we are here?
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