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d-usa wrote: With today's reality TV there is also always a chance that the producers themselves are the ones making up stories or faking things.
It did cross my mind that maybe he was just "acting" a vet, for the sake of entertainment, but then why also write about his service history on his professional profile?
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d-usa wrote: With today's reality TV there is also always a chance that the producers themselves are the ones making up stories or faking things.
It did cross my mind that maybe he was just "acting" a vet, for the sake of entertainment, but then why also write about his service history on his professional profile?
It was more of a general statement about the industry in general, although in this particular case I would not be surprised if they knew he was a fake but went along because it made a nice story.
sebster wrote: Um, yes. People have personal opinions on laws, and they don't get too fussed when people break laws they don't actually agree with.
If this really has you perplexed, consider that many people think laws against marijuana are wrong, and they won't report someone who's smoking it in their home.
Fair, but I wouldn't really get mad at someone else for whistle blowing. Certainly not to the point of name-calling over the internet. It's their right.
chaos0xomega wrote: Well, he sure went pretty hard on the act then, I mean, claiming to be a PJ/CCT?
Most fake veterans tend to over exaggerate their accomplishments. It's what gets them caught. You never hear about a signal systems repair or heavy equipment operator stolen valor cases. It's always SF or PJ or Navy Seals with like, A BILLION medals.
chaos0xomega wrote: Well, he sure went pretty hard on the act then, I mean, claiming to be a PJ/CCT?
Most fake veterans tend to over exaggerate their accomplishments. It's what gets them caught. You never hear about a signal systems repair or heavy equipment operator stolen valor cases. It's always SF or PJ or Navy Seals with like, A BILLION medals.
Wah Waaaaa
This guy must have gotten knocked crosseyed by someone with a well calibrated BS detector.
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Jihadin wrote: I've a feeling they had to Vet the guy though before they threw his dumb ass on television stating what he did. Whoever vetted him needs a caning
It's a reality show on basic cable. These shows exist because they are basically the cheapest thing you can put on the air and still be just entertaining enough that it won't make people get off their couch. It's very unlikely that they've got the staff to go about fact checking the stories they're told.
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Lord Corellia wrote: Fair, but I wouldn't really get mad at someone else for whistle blowing. Certainly not to the point of name-calling over the internet. It's their right.
Definitely. And that's all part of how it works, everyone gets to make up their own mind. If it doesn't bother you, then you don't do anything, if it does bother you then you do.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
chaos0xomega wrote: Well, he sure went pretty hard on the act then, I mean, claiming to be a PJ/CCT?
Most fake veterans tend to over exaggerate their accomplishments. It's what gets them caught. You never hear about a signal systems repair or heavy equipment operator stolen valor cases. It's always SF or PJ or Navy Seals with like, A BILLION medals.
Pretty sure I remember reading that this guy committed suicide after this. Also, ironically, he was actually a Veteran, Airforce, got booted for drugs if i remember correctly.
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Ive read a few stolen valor cases committed by actual veterans, they either claimed they were part of a different branch (navy guy pretending to be a mrine comes to mind) or awarded themselves rank and medals they didnt earn. The weird thing is, just like clueless civvies, they always show up with awards in the wrong spot or the incorrect ribbon order etc, and Im always like... wtf, you know better.
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chaos0xomega wrote: Ive read a few stolen valor cases committed by actual veterans, they either claimed they were part of a different branch (navy guy pretending to be a mrine comes to mind) or awarded themselves rank and medals they didnt earn. The weird thing is, just like clueless civvies, they always show up with awards in the wrong spot or the incorrect ribbon order etc, and Im always like... wtf, you know better.
There was the Alabama (IRC??) guy running for state legislature that claimed he was a Green Beret. As it turned out, he was not tabbed SF, but was in a SOF unit during a period of time where everyone in the unit wore the green beret whether they were tabbed or not. (now, support people wear maroon berets due to being airborne, but only wear the green if they've earned it)
So while he wasn't literally lying about his service, but the "spirit" of what he said was untrue.
Pretty sure the guy above had some mental issues. Putting that aside, what I never understand is why these guys always seem to go so far with their "uniforms". As jingoistic as this country is, I'm pretty sure you could get the desired ego stroking just by dressing up as a normal, regular PFC and making the rounds at the food court or whatever, but no, they all have to be Audie Murphy.
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Well in the eyes of the posers, nobody wants to feth the cook.
In reality, the jobniks got laid more than we did - they actually got leave to go to places where women frequent. The only women walking around company were the social worker (mishakit tash) and the company commander's secretary, and the waiting list for those two was a mile long.
Ouze wrote: Pretty sure the guy above had some mental issues. Putting that aside, what I never understand is why these guys always seem to go so far with their "uniforms". As jingoistic as this country is, I'm pretty sure you could get the desired ego stroking just by dressing up as a normal, regular PFC and making the rounds at the food court or whatever, but no, they all have to be Audie Murphy.
It might have started just with a low and fairly believable rank and service record, but once the thrill of that lie wore off they had to escalate the fantasy. It often isn't just about conning other people, but also about conning themselves.
In a sort of related thing, a girl I knew had Munchausen by proxy, claiming her child was sick because she wanted sympathy and attention. It started really mild, but by the end that kid had maybe four different terminal diseases.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
I guess - I don't really have any insight into that mindset, the "I want some attention so look at my uniform" thing. To try and be clear, I'm not crapping on guys who served and are proud of it, but the service guys in my family and my friends that have served, it was job they did, and then they came home and did something else. The only friend I have who routinely brings up his veteran status is because a mule once fell on him over there and it's a pretty good story.
The mule is presumably also a USMC veteran but doesn't really talk much about it either as I understand.
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Ouze wrote: I guess - I don't really have any insight into that mindset, the "I want some attention so look at my uniform" thing. To try and be clear, I'm not crapping on guys who served and are proud of it, but the service guys in my family and my friends that have served, it was job they did, and then they came home and did something else. The only friend I have who routinely brings up his veteran status is because a mule once fell on him over there and it's a pretty good story.
Yeah, I don't have a lot of insight either, outside of that one crazy story (which I only really heard through secondary sources), and some slightly crazy people I've come across on the internet.
And I should say that kind of start small and get bigger thing only works for people who are doing it for the ego hit, where there's fraud I've got absolutely no first hand experience.
The mule is presumably also a USMC veteran but doesn't really talk much about it either as I understand.
I heard the mule bragging it was on the team that killed Osama...
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
sebster wrote: And I should say that kind of start small and get bigger thing only works for people who are doing it for the ego hit, where there's fraud I've got absolutely no first hand experience.
Well, if you go for fraud you should always lie as much and boldly as possible for the big wins. People that ask to borrow a hundred and offer you a gold ring etc as security (in reality tin or something) only make a hundred minus the ring on that operation, someone pretending to be a big boss somewhere can manage to rack up a ton of hotel bills and other high-cost stuff before being forced to run.
As for the story telling some peope just seem to have a need for it, either some sort of Münchhaussen or other pathological liar thing. We had one of those guys at work once, and he really seemed to believe the stories he told us. He'd been a foreman in our line of work so ofc he knew everything (in reality he didn't even do the work he was supposed to do). Aye, he was studying Spanish so he could go to Barcelona and work as a harbor diver (in reality he didn't know a word of the language and someone as fat as he wouldn't be doing any diving job ever). Last I heard he was selling vacuum cleaners door-to-door.
Spetulhu wrote: Well, if you go for fraud you should always lie as much and boldly as possible for the big wins. People that ask to borrow a hundred and offer you a gold ring etc as security (in reality tin or something) only make a hundred minus the ring on that operation, someone pretending to be a big boss somewhere can manage to rack up a ton of hotel bills and other high-cost stuff before being forced to run.
As for the story telling some peope just seem to have a need for it, either some sort of Münchhaussen or other pathological liar thing. We had one of those guys at work once, and he really seemed to believe the stories he told us. He'd been a foreman in our line of work so ofc he knew everything (in reality he didn't even do the work he was supposed to do). Aye, he was studying Spanish so he could go to Barcelona and work as a harbor diver (in reality he didn't know a word of the language and someone as fat as he wouldn't be doing any diving job ever). Last I heard he was selling vacuum cleaners door-to-door.
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It's a good story, and some people just have to tell stories. Some of them are called pathological liers. We had one at work who even seemed to believe his own stories about his qualifications for this and that better job, but in the end he was just an overweight uneducated man. Foreman for airport security, harbor diver in Barcelona... Last I heard he was selling vacuum cleaners door-to-door.
Ofc, a few of these veteran impersonators claim they do it out of respect for the service. Maybe, possibly, if they don't use it to get free food or other benefits.
It was probably the same poster with a perfect example of how the truth gets twisted for sake of a better yarn.
So which was it Spethulu? Was he claiming to have been a Harbour diver in Barcelona or was he claiming that he was studying Spanish to be a Harbour Diver.
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Alex Kolodotschko wrote: So which was it Spethulu? Was he claiming to have been a Harbour diver in Barcelona or was he claiming that he was studying Spanish to be a Harbour Diver.
Oh, the studying Spanish so he could go there and take the job. Funny how he didn't even manage to respond to common greetings in Spanish. I don't think he ever meant anything bad by telling stories, but if someone believed them he could potentially end up working somewhere way above his qualifications.
