Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

I wish people hounded politicians who lie like they do here. Cause in that case, they are hurting someone, here they are mostly not

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I wish people hounded politicians who lie like they do here. Cause in that case, they are hurting someone, here they are mostly not

People do, you see news articles and so on whenever politicians lie (which is a lot by the way). Its just so normal maybe nobody does much about it?

Regardless, if someone asked for some money to buy lettuce and bread to feed their family, and you gave it to that person because they are a friend of yours would you be angry to see him walk out of a store with the latest CD, or maybe he got some ice cream instead, what if he used to to play arcade games instead?

It's not hard to see the problem dude.

Or a better example. He did the same as above but had no family to feed.

Um.....hat does any of that have to do with stolen valor?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Um.....hat does any of that have to do with stolen valor?

Because thats what stolen valor is... when some lies about their service history for benefits. One could argue it's when someone lies about their service history, but I think legally it's when they try use these lies for benefits. Like the dude in the OP was doing.

He is trying to get charity from others on a TV show clearly using his service history (false history maybe) to gain charity help. Which is most certainly stolen valor yes?

If he lied, which you have no proof of.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If he lied, which you have no proof of.

Which is exactly why he was reported so people who have the ability can check up on this...

Which then means its not an over reaction yes? If you think someone did a crime you report them. If he is innocent then we can all laugh at the ghaz.

The only thing that seems fishy in his resume is his hundreds of combat jumps. If he is talking about combat heavy jumps it could be legit. Combat heavy jump is at night with all your gear jumping for practice if the real thing ever happens. If he is talking about actual Combat jumps there has only been one done by the 75th Ranger Regiment in Afghanistan and that was in the beginning of the war.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If he lied, which you have no proof of.

Which is exactly why he was reported so people who have the ability can check up on this...

Which then means its not an over reaction yes? If you think someone did a crime you report them. If he is innocent then we can all laugh at the ghaz.

Im laughing now because he called the police in likely another state, to investigate a man for possibly lying.
Which means he had to look all this stuff up, just to catch a guy who never did anything to him
To me, that a busy body nannying right there.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If he lied, which you have no proof of.

Which is exactly why he was reported so people who have the ability can check up on this...

Which then means its not an over reaction yes? If you think someone did a crime you report them. If he is innocent then we can all laugh at the ghaz.

Im laughing now because he called the police in likely another state, to investigate a man for possibly lying.
Which means he had to look all this stuff up, just to catch a guy who never did anything to him
To me, that a busy body nannying right there.

No that is what citizens of a nation should do when there is legitimate reason to suspect crime. What he is doing is what all people should do when they see or hear suspicious activity. Like Ghaz said if they don't see its worth looking into they wont. I would say that is the right thing to do in this instance.

Cool, Im gonna go report my neighbors for every crime I see now

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Cool, Im gonna go report my neighbors for every crime I see now

Good. Honestly if you didn't then I would be shocked.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Cool, Im gonna go report my neighbors for every crime I see now

Good. Honestly if you didn't then I would be shocked.

Underage drinking, weed, and illegal downloads are three crimes that I certainly don't bother reporting, because if I did 95% of the people I know would have a criminal record. Does that shock you?

His resume doesnt actually say combat jump, it says "parachute jump into hostile areas". Yall are seriously just lookin to crucify someone at this point, to the extent that youre making up accomplishments *for* him.

Once again, since yall dont seem to get it, CCTs (Combat Controllers) and PJs (Pararescue Jumpers), which is what this gentleman is claiming to be, are special operations forces. They are not "infantry" or "grunts" or anything else short of honest-to-goodness-snake-eating-steely-eyed-stone-hearted-cold-blooded killers. Specifically, these are the types of Spec Ops that are attached to SEALs, Delta, and other more shadowy units that youve probably never even heard of, that engage in combat operations you dont know existed, in countries you dont know that were operating in. PJs, BY DEFINITION, insert by parachute or helicopter to save other peoples lives, depending on the unit they are in, the people they are saving might be honest-to-goodness-snake-eating-steely-eyed-stone-hearted-cold-blooded killers themselves. Yes, sometimes even SEALs need backup.

CCTs exist to coordinate airdrops of both man and materiel into hostile territory, something which often necessitates that Combat Controllers jump into the gak beforehand. The Rangers combat junp in 04? You can thank a CCT for that.

 -Shrike- wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Cool, Im gonna go report my neighbors for every crime I see now

Good. Honestly if you didn't then I would be shocked.

Underage drinking, weed, and illegal downloads are three crimes that I certainly don't bother reporting, because if I did 95% of the people I know would have a criminal record. Does that shock you?

If you think a crime is not worth reporting thats for you to decide. But if someone thinks a crime is worth reporting then is it worth being annoyed, upset or confused as to why they are reporting it?


My original point is, Ghaz is doing nothing wrong by reporting something he sees as suspicious. You may disagree, but if you disagree then you don't have to report.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Cool, Im gonna go report my neighbors for every crime I see now

Good. Honestly if you didn't then I would be shocked.

Surem, nothing like creating an atmosphere where everyone is afraid someone might report them for something minor.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Cool, Im gonna go report my neighbors for every crime I see now

Good. Honestly if you didn't then I would be shocked.

Surem, nothing like creating an atmosphere where everyone is afraid someone might report them for something minor.

Again it may be minor individually but if thousands do it then it no longer is a minor problem is it. It becomes a big problem. If people could get away with stolen valor because some people think it's not a big deal then the problem would get worse as people exploit it (like has and does happen).

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If he lied, which you have no proof of.

...which is why Ghaz referred the matter to others who will investigate.

Also, while I have no *proof* that he lied, I'm fairly certain that he did given my own subject matter expertise, and the subject matter expertise of other veterans in this thread. For example, there's no way he's executed "hundreds" of jumps, which he claims very clearly on his resume.

We get it - you don't understand.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Cool, Im gonna go report my neighbors for every crime I see now

Good. Honestly if you didn't then I would be shocked.

Surem, nothing like creating an atmosphere where everyone is afraid someone might report them for something minor.

Out of curiousity Hotsauceman, have you or someone you know lied about serving in the military? because you really are trying hard to defend pretending to be a veteran.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
You must be extremely thin skinned in order to let that get under your skin.
Seriously, its just a guy lying.

This has to be one of the most ignorant things I have read in a long time. I have never been in combat, but consider, if you will, what it is like for someone who on a possibly weekly or more often basis has friends killed and maimed, been wounded them self or have combat related disabilities that cause them pain on a daily basis. Then imagine what runs through their mind when they see some douche playing dress up and bull gaking tales of battle field heroics, building their reputation on the sacrifice of real soldiers.
Do you understand at least a little bit how this can piss some people that have been through this off?

So, how does them getting benefits(and quite alot less then actual veterans) make their scarfice any less "Noble" if you can call it that.
They are being thin skinned when someone possibly naybe, could be lying to get their dog transported is enough to get them in a huff.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Cool, Im gonna go report my neighbors for every crime I see now

Good. Honestly if you didn't then I would be shocked.

Surem, nothing like creating an atmosphere where everyone is afraid someone might report them for something minor.

Out of curiousity Hotsauceman, have you or someone you know lied about serving in the military? because you really are trying hard to defend pretending to be a veteran.

Wow, Ad Hominen attack, good one.
No, im just saying you are looking for a witch hunt to hurt the reputation of someone YOU NEVER MET and did nothing to you.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Cool, Im gonna go report my neighbors for every crime I see now

As you should if you suspect a crime, as Ghaz did.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, how does them getting benefits(and quite alot less then actual veterans) make their scarfice any less "Noble" if you can call it that.
They are being thin skinned when someone possibly naybe, could be lying to get their dog transported is enough to get them in a huff.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Cool, Im gonna go report my neighbors for every crime I see now

Good. Honestly if you didn't then I would be shocked.

Surem, nothing like creating an atmosphere where everyone is afraid someone might report them for something minor.

Out of curiousity Hotsauceman, have you or someone you know lied about serving in the military? because you really are trying hard to defend pretending to be a veteran.

Wow, Ad Hominen attack, good one.
No, im just saying you are looking for a witch hunt to hurt the reputation of someone YOU NEVER MET and did nothing to you.

Wow, just wow. So you're the type of person that would never go to the cops or anyone else if you thought something illegal was going on. Just go on your way and let people be victimized?
I really like your comment mocking the sacrifice of veterans, so I gave it a special prize. I really don't understand you, and how you can mock these guys like that.

Now you are putting words in my mouth.
No, I am saying that
1: You are attempting a witch hunt for a guy who you dont know, never met and trying to get a trouble for some stupid notion "He is lying" in which you do not know
2: Wasting peoples time.

Is there a point to this thread any longer?

1. Ghaz thought something suspicious occurred and contact the proper authorities.

2. Not everyone agreed that Ghaz's actions were merited based on the evidence he provided.

3. More than a few people are acting foolish in this thread over what amounts to a possible act of deception.


Perhaps it is time to move along?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Now you are putting words in my mouth.
No, I am saying that
1: You are attempting a witch hunt for a guy who you dont know, never met and trying to get a trouble for some stupid notion "He is lying" in which you do not know
2: Wasting peoples time.

No, you are the one getting all over Ghaz and calling him thin skinned because he suspected someone of doing something illegal and called on the proper authorities to investigate, as any citizen has a right to do. He's not Swatting, but has a reasonable suspicion.

Unreasonable suspicion is more like it.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Now you are putting words in my mouth.
No, I am saying that
1: You are attempting a witch hunt for a guy who you dont know, never met and trying to get a trouble for some stupid notion "He is lying" in which you do not know
2: Wasting peoples time.

It's mildly ironic that you accuse him of an ad homenim attack, then in the next post state that he's "attempting a witch hunt" and "wasting people's time"...

 DarkLink wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Now you are putting words in my mouth.
No, I am saying that
1: You are attempting a witch hunt for a guy who you dont know, never met and trying to get a trouble for some stupid notion "He is lying" in which you do not know
2: Wasting peoples time.

It's mildly ironic that you accuse him of an ad homenim attack, then in the next post state that he's "attempting a witch hunt" and "wasting people's time"...

Astute observation.

Some people in this thread, not naming any names, need to consider having a brief breather before posting more, else they'll get the thread locked, or worse they could get a warning

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Unreasonable suspicion is more like it.

hotsauce, several people here who served in the military thought it was highly suspicious and thought he was probably lying, a lot of us agreed he might actually be a veteran and is just exaggerating his military record to either inflate his ego or to try and get benefits.

I understand you want to jump on anyone defending the military or veterans but if you really think that is unreasonable I ask you to only go research the units and men/woman who fought in this last war to understand why it is unreasonable to assume someone can deploy that many times in a row without a break.

So, you think I want to jump on people defending the military?
No, What I dislike are busybodies who try everything they can to get people in trouble. You seem to think I dislike the military. No I do not. I dislike the attitude of worshipping the military. Which Stolen Valor is a part of. It was easily covered under fraud. but for some reason it needed a special law because people feel that those who go into the military are special and deserve special things.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
I understand you want to jump on anyone defending the military or veterans but if you really think that is unreasonable I ask you to only go research the units and men/woman who fought in this last war to understand why it is unreasonable to assume someone can deploy that many times in a row without a break.

Depends on what sort of deployment we're talking about. Not sure about USAF (I'll ask tomorrow when i talk to the chairforce guys I'm working with atm) but USN considers you forward deployed almost indefinitely if your duty station is someplace like Japan or Korea. I doubt he was in country the whole time, but his duty station might have still been in theater.