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 hotsauceman1 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
If the guy is being honest about what is AFSC was (thats MOS to you non USAF types), then you seriously do have egg all over your face, particularly if he was part of the 24th STS.

Im also not seeing where it says he was deployed for 9 years.

Im just lauhing that he is getting so worked over over one thing which could be an exaggeration and 2 which may be mis-remembering.
I mean really, there are people out there that put this much effort into exposing someone as a fraud(that they dont know) that they never met.

He claimed his 9 years deployed in the actual television show. And in the show the hosts even said they were doing the favor for him because he was a veteran.

So anyway back on topic. The highest OP tempo of anyone was the Army/Marine infantry units and certain other specialty MOSs such as Intel. SF are high tempo but usually do short rotations in and out. nobody, and I repeat NOBODY stays deployed for 9 years. I begged and pleaded to be the stay behind element for my battalion and they wouldn't let me or anyone else because of money constraints. The fact that even the army would only do 1 year on 1 year off tells you how much BS this guy was full of.

JSOC (which he would have been part of if he was in 24STS) operates under different rules (and a somewhat different budget) than the rest of the military. Also, from what I've been told by a few secret squirrel types that I know personally is that while they rotate in/out at a high frequency, a lot of the time when they rotated out they were going to an undisclosed base in an undisclosed country not far from the AO for a bit of downtime, rather than back to the States or a base in Germany/Korea/Diego Garcia.

Also, did he say that he was deployed to Afghanistan for 9 years, or just deployed for 9 years? The two are different things. He could very well have been 'deployed' for 9 years, rotating in and out of Afghanistan, Germany, South Korea, etc. and he would have technically been correct, though it is still a bit misleading since most people wouldn't consider Germany or S. Korea to be 'deployed' (I'm not sure the military does either anymore though back in the early 90s and through the Cold War they were, as such I know several retirees who were "deployed" their entire career/for 10-20 years/never served at all stateside).

Germany most definitely is not a "deployed" location. IIRC, S. Korea is a bit of a grey area, because we're still technically at war with N. Korea, but anyone who's been stationed there, feel free to let us know.

That said, there are a VERY small number of people who "deploy" to Germany. I've met about a dozen people from the 82nd, 101st, 4ID, etc. who were "deployed" to Landstuhl hospital, but they were there because their unit was in Iraq/Afghanistan, and if someone was medivac'd there, there needed to be a unit rep to do organic paperwork and such.... So they were away from family, as deployed soldiers, but not technically deployed.

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
If the guy is being honest about what is AFSC was (thats MOS to you non USAF types), then you seriously do have egg all over your face, particularly if he was part of the 24th STS.

Im also not seeing where it says he was deployed for 9 years.

Im just lauhing that he is getting so worked over over one thing which could be an exaggeration and 2 which may be mis-remembering.
I mean really, there are people out there that put this much effort into exposing someone as a fraud(that they dont know) that they never met.

He claimed his 9 years deployed in the actual television show. And in the show the hosts even said they were doing the favor for him because he was a veteran.

I have been in school for 6 years.Oh wait no, only like 35 months. But I ay 6 years. You are assuming Malicious intent for two things and nothing else. It looks to me like you want a witch hunt. I mean, you called the police one someone you never freaking meet and saw on TV and online. that is some Busy Body Behaviour.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
If the guy is being honest about what is AFSC was (thats MOS to you non USAF types), then you seriously do have egg all over your face, particularly if he was part of the 24th STS.

Im also not seeing where it says he was deployed for 9 years.

Im just lauhing that he is getting so worked over over one thing which could be an exaggeration and 2 which may be mis-remembering.
I mean really, there are people out there that put this much effort into exposing someone as a fraud(that they dont know) that they never met.

He claimed his 9 years deployed in the actual television show. And in the show the hosts even said they were doing the favor for him because he was a veteran.

I have been in school for 6 years.Oh wait no, only like 35 months. But I ay 6 years. You are assuming Malicious intent for two things and nothing else. It looks to me like you want a witch hunt. I mean, you called the police one someone you never freaking meet and saw on TV and online. that is some Busy Body Behaviour.

Aye, I was thinking about this. If I asked how long someone has been at University/school, I will get an answer along the lines of "5 years" or "two and a half years". But the actual time spent at uni/school is only about half of that.

I think Germany is an Accompanied Remote Tour? Although I seem to remember certain stations were switched over to Unaccompanied not too long ago. I know Korea is (or at least was until very recently) considered an Unaccompanied Remote Tour. Sidenote - I dont know if this is nomenclature anyone outside the USAF would be familiar with.

Wording is important and without exact quotes... Deployed for 9 years could be deployed for the last 9 years straight (what you're thinking), deployed for the majority of the last 9 years (what I originally thought) or deployed for a total of 9 years in his career. For the AFSCs listed on the link you provided earlier yes those last two are possible.

Jerram wrote:
Wording is important and without exact quotes... Deployed for 9 years could be deployed for the last 9 years straight (what you're thinking), deployed for the majority of the last 9 years (what I originally thought) or deployed for a total of 9 years in his career. For the AFSCs listed on the link you provided earlier yes those last two are possible.

Not only is it possible, but I would be surprised if it wasn't the case.

Because you have absolutely no evidence to support the argument that this is a case of Stolen Valor?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Because you have absolutely no evidence to support the argument that this is a case of Stolen Valor?

Which is why i reported it to the police/USAF to investigate. I am not the police nor the courts, I wont be the one who decides to act on this. I am just the guy who saw someone who most likely is lying through his teeth to get a benefit out of it.

Go watch the episode of Pitbulls and parolees where he very clearly states he was deployed for 9 years to afghanistan. And since he says he got out of the military in 2010 that means he was deployed every single year of the war, but only to Afghanistan. I don't know a single person who was deploying during that same time period who didn't spend at least one tour in Iraq . Nor do I know anyone with that much experience who didn't get forced into a training billet of some sort. Hell my Gunny in Afghanistan had to beg, plead and threaten to get onto our deployment.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Because you have absolutely no evidence to support the argument that this is a case of Stolen Valor?

Pretty much. I think people who do participate in that behavior are MEH. but he is attempting to drag someones name through the mud having
1: Only seen him on TV
2: Based of two things that might be exxageration/mis-remembering.
3: Cause he seems to have to always come to the defense of the military.


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 Ghazkuul wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Because you have absolutely no evidence to support the argument that this is a case of Stolen Valor?

Which is why i reported it to the police/USAF to investigate. I am not the police nor the courts, I wont be the one who decides to act on this. I am just the guy who saw someone who most likely is lying through his teeth to get a benefit out of it.

I bet the police/ASAF just laughed when the hung up.They have better things to do.

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 Ghazkuul wrote:
The difference between claiming a school year and a full calendar year are minimal, the difference between claiming a full year deployed and part of a year deployed are minimal. Claiming to have been deployed for 9 years is a big deal.

Except, as noted, a school year is about 50% of a calendar year. That's not minimal.

Those who have served, and been deployed, and actually have PTSD find it extremely rude bordering on the insulting when people claim to have done similar things but didn't.

They can insult whoever they want. I believe it's your First Amendment?

The courts rules that Pretending to be a Veteran is legal under the 1st amendment,

Ah, it was the 1st.

EXCEPT when gaining a favor or benefit due to the lie, then it becomes fraud.

Yep. Do you have any proof of fraud, or that the benefit was only obtained due to the specific claim of "9 years deployed"? That is, would the benefit still exist if he were only deployed for 5 years, and exaggerated?

So what your doing is calling me out for reporting someone who very probably lied and is committing fraud.

Possibly lied. You have only vague circumstantial evidence to support this.

I don't understand why you would defend this type of behavior.

Possible fraud? Nobody here condones that. It's the rather exreme reaction that some of us find a little odd, given the evidence to support your claim.

The solution to that is to fill out a SF-180 and wait a few weeks/months. And I will let the AF/PD do that instead of wasting my time with SFs.

 Ghazkuul wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Because you have absolutely no evidence to support the argument that this is a case of Stolen Valor?

Which is why i reported it to the police/USAF to investigate. I am not the police nor the courts, I wont be the one who decides to act on this. I am just the guy who saw someone who most likely is lying through his teeth to get a benefit out of it.

Go watch the episode of Pitbulls and parolees where he very clearly states he was deployed for 9 years to afghanistan. And since he says he got out of the military in 2010 that means he was deployed every single year of the war, but only to Afghanistan. I don't know a single person who was deploying during that same time period who didn't spend at least one tour in Iraq . Nor do I know anyone with that much experience who didn't get forced into a training billet of some sort. Hell my Gunny in Afghanistan had to beg, plead and threaten to get onto our deployment.

He may be exaggerating his deployment time, but I don't think that really qualifies as "stolen valour" if they're exaggerating some kernel of truth. I've known more than a few ex-military guys who constantly make stuff up about their time in service, sometimes for giggles & a good story, sometimes for attention, sometimes to compensate & compete, sometimes for free stuff, etc. A friend of mine was deployed to Iraq doing IT work aand the closest thing he ever had to deal with was a mortar landing a few hundred feet away (and never left the main Baghdad base), but his former roomie who was deployed in his same unit always talks about how he did street patrols outside the base and engaged in multiple firefights. Everyone just sort of nods and thinks "yeah right", and moves on.

 -Shrike- wrote:
? Nobody here condones that. It's the rather exreme reaction that some of us find a little odd, given the evidence to support your claim.

What's wrong with the evidence? It's casual recollection of a one-off comment made on a low-rent mostly-staged reality TV show, how is that not stone-cold-lock-of-the-century indication of guilt? They could be hanging a man on less than that and still being overly generous with the presumption of innocence. That you can even question this can only lead me to think you hate America, hate Veterans and are possibly a terrorist.

 Chongara wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
? Nobody here condones that. It's the rather exreme reaction that some of us find a little odd, given the evidence to support your claim.

What's wrong with the evidence? It's casual recollection of a one-off comment made on a low-rent mostly-staged reality TV show, how is that not stone-cold-lock-of-the-century indication of guilt? They could be hanging a man on less than that and still being overly generous with the presumption of innocence. That you can even question this can only lead me to think you hate America, hate Veterans and are possibly a terrorist.

Curses, you've discovered my secret - I'm actually a communist Russian planning a glorious attack for the motherland!

 Ghazkuul wrote:
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You probably wouldn't take it very well, would you? Yet that statement basically sums up your current behavior and your dogged determination to slander others whom you dont even know. Seriously brah, go have a brew and read some Terminal Lance. Maybe some of Max's commentary about how stupid the Stolen Valor witchhunt is will sink in and you can find a less confrontational hobby.

I know an ex-Army guy who is now an officer with the Public Health Service. Which means he wears a naval uniform with PHS markings and PHS ribbons in addition to the Army ribbons he is entitled to wear. If you have no idea about the PHS it looks like a random uniform with ribbons that you picked out of a big bowl before you slapped them on.

He has had some muttering, but he just knows that one day someone on a stolen valor crusade is going to try and call him out on his fake uniform.

It is rather amusing to me to see how many people in dakka's community will take something they support without any factual evidence to back up there position and run with it. But god help you if you go against anything they say.

I started this thread because I wasn't sure if it was someone openly lying or if it was someone who is apparently a super human SF Operator. Having seen the guy on the show, having seen his reaction to talking about combat and then having read his resume im going to assume he is lying through his teeth, he very well might have been in the USAF which is not at all hard to do. But I will wager a months wages that he is lying about his "Deployments" to afghanistan. He said he deployed to afghanistan for 9 years, Even being generous and saying he meant to say he did 9 short 3-6 month deployments over the space of 9 years he would still be one of the most decorated USAF airmen from this last war. In the end what you say and what I say doesn't mean anything. The Matter is being handled by the USAF and the PD, if they decide to look into it good, if not, ohh well.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
He said he deployed to afghanistan for 9 years, Even being generous and saying he meant to say he did 9 short 3-6 month deployments over the space of 9 years he would still be one of the most decorated USAF airmen from this last war.

You might be surprised by that. Unlike the SEALS (and the Marines, not that they warrant mention here), AFSOC ARE actually 'quiet professionals', you would be surprised by what some of our Air Commandos have accomplished and done, and probably wonder why you've never heard about it. Generally speaking, the Air Force keeps even quieter about its contributions to the special operations community than the Army does.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:
He said he deployed to afghanistan for 9 years, Even being generous and saying he meant to say he did 9 short 3-6 month deployments over the space of 9 years he would still be one of the most decorated USAF airmen from this last war.

You might be surprised by that. Unlike the SEALS (and the Marines, not that they warrant mention here), AFSOC ARE actually 'quiet professionals', you would be surprised by what some of our Air Commandos have accomplished and done, and probably wonder why you've never heard about it. Generally speaking, the Air Force keeps even quieter about its contributions to the special operations community than the Army does.

There is a reason they put them in charge of the stargate....

Let me ask you this, why does it matter to you so much?

And its no coincidence that in the alternate history explored in Stargate Continuum in which the Navy WAS in charge of the Stargate program, everything goes tits up, the Russians are the dominant military power, and the world explodes, or something like that.

Some people need to read links...

Trained Special Operations Forces
Certified FAA Air Traffic Control
Trained in motorcycle and snowmobile operations
Performed hundreds of parachute jumps into hostile areas
Trained in rappelling, fast-rope and various climbing techniques
Performed Water Operations using both scuba and amphibious techniques
Highly skilled technician with both supervisory and training responsibilities
Responsible for subordinates and effective accomplishment of all assigned tasks
Ensured proper use of all equipment, material and personnel under my command
Deployed undetected into combat and hostile environments by various means over land and sea
Established assault zones and airfields while simultaneously conducting air traffic control, fire support, command and control, direct action, counter-terrorism, foreign internal defense, humanitarian assistance and special reconnaissance

The above is from his professional experience. He is indeed claiming 9 years deployment, hundreds of combat jumps and so on. It wasn't just some off hand exaggeration, he has it on his professional page (or whatever his page is for).

Personally, given the evidence, I too would have notified people to look into these claims. Especially the combat jumps. I mean what is the likely hood even the best soldiers in the world perform hundreds of combat jumps into hostile territory in 9 years...?

Dark Side does 4-6 months in. Select individuals will over lap for left seat right seat training for 30-45 days

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Let me ask you this, why does it matter to you so much?

When you've actually been there and done that, it's kind of insulting when other people lie about having been there...and having done that.

You must be extremely thin skinned in order to let that get under your skin.
Seriously, its just a guy lying.


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chaos0xomega wrote:
And its no coincidence that in the alternate history explored in Stargate Continuum in which the Navy WAS in charge of the Stargate program, everything goes tits up, the Russians are the dominant military power, and the world explodes, or something like that.

Which is weird, cause you think the Navy would be a great. Watching over a giant hole you send dozens of men through.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
You must be extremely thin skinned in order to let that get under your skin.
Seriously, its just a guy lying.

When your local politician lies to get votes is it a problem?
When someone sets up a charity and takes the money is it a problem?
When someone tries to sell you something that doesn't work is it a problem?
When someone creates a false past to get sympathy and help is that a problem?

The answer to all of those is... yes. Yes it is a problem.

It may not be huge in the grand scheme of things. But imagine 50 people doing this, or 500! It's important to eliminate frauds of all kinds because although individually these people may not do a lot of harm, as a group they do.