Author |
Message |
 |
|
 |
Advert
|
Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
- No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
- Times and dates in your local timezone.
- Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
- Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
- Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now. |
|
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 14:21:18
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Imperial Admiral
|
Ashiraya wrote:If you call the cops and alert them, and they fail to act on your alarm, they can get in serious trouble.
In Sweden anyway. I can't imagine it's much different in Germany.
Well, the exact opposite is true in the US (where courts have consistently held that the police have no duty to protect you), so that may be where the disconnect is.
Regardless, the "serious trouble" they're getting into in this case apparently involves a meeting and then a declaration from the mayor that those darn German women really should do a better job of protecting themselves from this sort of thing.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 14:26:21
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
|
Seaward wrote:Well, the exact opposite is true in the US (where courts have consistently held that the police have no duty to protect you) Wait, seriously? What? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? I can see why you see the need to walk around with guns now. O.o You should get that sorted out, seriously. Around here, it is pretty much the point of the police!
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/01/06 14:29:53
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 14:58:42
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
|
Ashiraya wrote:Seaward wrote:Well, the exact opposite is true in the US (where courts have consistently held that the police have no duty to protect you)
Wait, seriously? What? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Yeah, seriously, unfortunately. They are responsible for protecting the public at large, not any one specific person, so are shielded for liability if they do not help specific people.
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/01/06 15:00:59
lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 15:13:16
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
|
motyak wrote:Another mod said no using the term SJW to dismiss a whole side of the argument/set up strawmen/etc. When I just read ITT someone advocating for just letting people drown, the term xenophobe seems like it fits right in.
motyak wrote:Don't turn this into a " lol SJW rahrahrah" thing, that's just trying to insult and shut down a large number of people who take part in these discussions by applying a term to them which is used in a derogatory fashion. Don't do it, it's not polite and it's not how you have an honest discussion.
Pretty sure I was clear about using that term as a derogatory thing
There's a lot of things being said in here that are bordering on rude, so cut it. Now.[
Derogatory terms like racist and xenophobe are frequently thrown around to insult people and shut down their arguments, in the same manner that you say SJW is used. And yet you permit the former.
|
This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2016/01/06 15:23:42
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 15:21:30
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Fixture of Dakka
|
AlmightyWalrus wrote: Smacks wrote: Redcruisair wrote:The crowd was composed of up to 1,000 heavily intoxicated men ... gathered expressly for the purpose of debasing women by sexually assaulting them
So, the same as every other Friday night in a city then...
My thoughts too. Drunk people molesting people is hardly unique for immigrants. The scale here is bigger than "usual", to be sure, but there's plenty of low-life scum who would do similar things if they thought they could get away with it.
NuggzTheNinja wrote:Germany may be shocked, but plenty of Americans saw this coming. Good job on the cultural Seppuku, Merkel!
Here's a thought: don't blame other nations for trying to clean up your mistakes. Or did Germany bomb Iraq to rubble all of a sudden, causing the problems in the Middle-East in the first place.
I thought it was largely the Arab Spring that so many people here were praising which led to this.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 15:23:15
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
|
Ashiraya wrote:Seaward wrote:Well, the exact opposite is true in the US (where courts have consistently held that the police have no duty to protect you) Wait, seriously? What? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? I can see why you see the need to walk around with guns now. O.o You should get that sorted out, seriously. Around here, it is pretty much the point of the police! Police forces across Europe are overwhelmed and lack the resources to deal with huge influxes of people. There is literally nothing they can do to stop this (see video below) short of deploying hundreds if not thousands of Riot Police en masse along with water cannon and that takes time, planning and resources.
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/01/06 15:25:19
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 15:53:51
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
|
Ashiraya wrote:Seaward wrote:Well, the exact opposite is true in the US (where courts have consistently held that the police have no duty to protect you)
Wait, seriously? What? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
I can see why you see the need to walk around with guns now. O.o
You should get that sorted out, seriously.
Around here, it is pretty much the point of the police!
There is a very good reason for this though. The police literally cannot protect you in many situations. Thus making them have a legal obligation to do something which is impossible can cause major problems.
If they had an obligation to protect everybody, the following situation could happen. Old lady lives outside of town. Someone begins breaking into her house and she calls police. They are twenty minutes away. She ends up being murdered long before the police arrive. Her son could then sue the police for failing to protect her. That's why we have the police not have an obligation to protect you.
Police exist to enforce the law. Protecting people is secondary.
|
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 15:55:42
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Most Glorious Grey Seer
|
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:Police forces across Europe are overwhelmed and lack the resources to deal with huge influxes of people. There is literally nothing they can do to stop this (see video below) short of deploying hundreds if not thousands of Riot Police en masse along with water cannon and that takes time, planning and resources.
That's what happens when you allow more people in than your country can absorb and assimilate properly.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 15:58:49
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
|
Grey Templar wrote: Ashiraya wrote:Seaward wrote:Well, the exact opposite is true in the US (where courts have consistently held that the police have no duty to protect you)
Wait, seriously? What? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
I can see why you see the need to walk around with guns now. O.o
You should get that sorted out, seriously.
Around here, it is pretty much the point of the police!
There is a very good reason for this though. The police literally cannot protect you in many situations. Thus making them have a legal obligation to do something which is impossible can cause major problems.
If they had an obligation to protect everybody, the following situation could happen. Old lady lives outside of town. Someone begins breaking into her house and she calls police. They are twenty minutes away. She ends up being murdered long before the police arrive. Her son could then sue the police for failing to protect her. That's why we have the police not have an obligation to protect you.
Police exist to enforce the law. Protecting people is secondary.
Which is why there's not a duty to protect someone, but rather a duty to try to protect someone. In your scenario, the police would not be culpable because there wasn't anything they could do, but at least they'd tried.
And you wonder why your government is so incompetent...
Breotan wrote: Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:Police forces across Europe are overwhelmed and lack the resources to deal with huge influxes of people. There is literally nothing they can do to stop this (see video below) short of deploying hundreds if not thousands of Riot Police en masse along with water cannon and that takes time, planning and resources.
That's what happens when you allow more people in than your country can absorb and assimilate properly.
Which wouldn't be happening if the rest of Europe weren't chickening out of helping.
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/01/06 15:59:50
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:00:02
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
|
I'm sure if you look up- the actual case law/statutes in your country, you'll find the police have no legal duty to protect you, or are legally protected from being sued.
|
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:00:42
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
|
That's an unfair characterization... have you seen the size of the US?
We don't live in a Police Stateâ„¢.
|
Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:01:49
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Legendary Master of the Chapter
|
Wow people in this thread really showed their true colors. drown in the aegean Holy lord that is probably why I don't trust people. If they had an obligation to protect everybody, the following situation could happen. Old lady lives outside of town. Someone begins breaking into her house and she calls police. They are twenty minutes away. She ends up being murdered long before the police arrive. Her son could then sue the police for failing to protect her. That's why we have the police not have an obligation to protect you. Police exist to enforce the law. Protecting people is secondary. The police can't protect everyone. I mean to counter this I could say a Lifeguard has the duty to act and protect. If someone breaks a rule we aren't going to say oh this person is drowning, but I am dealing with an injury, so I can't do anything. Priortization usually happens and if we fail to save their life (IE they flatlined, and we did all we could do) then you won't get sued. Because under the good samartian laws you are not obligated to save someone if they are dead. You have the duty to act, if you screwed up, you will be charged and fined, sued etc. If you don't then you have nothing to worry about. Police in the united states exist to enforce the law and protect people second. That is not true for the rest of the world. In a perfect world it would be protecting people first, and then enforcing the law. In general the United States has quite a few interesting things, but that doesn't really matter for this thread. Germany is facing this problem and my questions still have gone unanswered from before. Mostly in prevention, how do we deal with this? What would the punishments be at best?
|
This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2016/01/06 16:08:32
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:03:58
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
|
whembly wrote:
That's an unfair characterization... have you seen the size of the US?
We don't live in a Police Stateâ„¢.
Apparently you live in a State where "every man for himself" is firmly entrenched enough that even law enforcement officially gets in on it.
|
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:06:59
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
|
Unless you have a policeman on permenant protection detail with every single citizen then protecting people as a priority is impossible.
The police can only react after the fact, that's all they can be expected to do.
|
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:10:27
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Longtime Dakkanaut
|
AlmightyWalrus wrote: Smacks wrote: Redcruisair wrote:The crowd was composed of up to 1,000 heavily intoxicated men ... gathered expressly for the purpose of debasing women by sexually assaulting them
So, the same as every other Friday night in a city then...
My thoughts too. Drunk people molesting people is hardly unique for immigrants. The scale here is bigger than "usual", to be sure, but there's plenty of low-life scum who would do similar things if they thought they could get away with it.
NuggzTheNinja wrote:Germany may be shocked, but plenty of Americans saw this coming. Good job on the cultural Seppuku, Merkel!
Here's a thought: don't blame other nations for trying to clean up your mistakes. Or did Germany bomb Iraq to rubble all of a sudden, causing the problems in the Middle-East in the first place.
Sorry, I missed the part where I personally had anything to do with any of this, in any way shape or form possible, considering that I've never been a proponent of the Iraq war nor a proponent of intervening in the affairs of Arab Muslim nations. On top of that, I don't even vote, and my payment of taxes is completely involuntary. Perhaps you could explain that part?
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:11:07
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
|
Grey Templar wrote:Unless you have a policeman on permenant protection detail with every single citizen then protecting people as a priority is impossible.
The police can only react after the fact, that's all they can be expected to do.
Bull. If the police arive on the scene and catch someone raping someone in flagrante delicto they can totally intervene before it gets worse. Further, the inability to protect everyone at once is not a valid reason not to try.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Smacks wrote: Redcruisair wrote:The crowd was composed of up to 1,000 heavily intoxicated men ... gathered expressly for the purpose of debasing women by sexually assaulting them
So, the same as every other Friday night in a city then...
My thoughts too. Drunk people molesting people is hardly unique for immigrants. The scale here is bigger than "usual", to be sure, but there's plenty of low-life scum who would do similar things if they thought they could get away with it.
NuggzTheNinja wrote:Germany may be shocked, but plenty of Americans saw this coming. Good job on the cultural Seppuku, Merkel!
Here's a thought: don't blame other nations for trying to clean up your mistakes. Or did Germany bomb Iraq to rubble all of a sudden, causing the problems in the Middle-East in the first place.
Sorry, I missed the part where I personally had anything to do with any of this, in any way shape or form possible, considering that I've never been a proponent of the Iraq war nor a proponent of intervening in the affairs of Arab Muslim nations. On top of that, I don't even vote, and my payment of taxes is completely involuntary. Perhaps you could explain that part?
Part of the responsibility of a democracy is to own up to mistakes made in the past, even if one weren't in favour of them. Considering your posting history on Dakka I think it's safe to say that you're not in favour of helping anyone, anywhere, ever.
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/01/06 16:18:58
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:18:03
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
|
Grey Templar wrote:Unless you have a policeman on permenant protection detail with every single citizen then protecting people as a priority is impossible.
The police can only react after the fact, that's all they can be expected to do.
Not true. They can be proactive through the use of foot patrols. Having an active street presence lets them be more proactive and react faster. The problem is that Police numbers and budgets have tended to be cut year on year, so they lack the resources to do this.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:24:45
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
|
NuggzTheNinja wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Smacks wrote: Redcruisair wrote:The crowd was composed of up to 1,000 heavily intoxicated men ... gathered expressly for the purpose of debasing women by sexually assaulting them
So, the same as every other Friday night in a city then...
My thoughts too. Drunk people molesting people is hardly unique for immigrants. The scale here is bigger than "usual", to be sure, but there's plenty of low-life scum who would do similar things if they thought they could get away with it.
NuggzTheNinja wrote:Germany may be shocked, but plenty of Americans saw this coming. Good job on the cultural Seppuku, Merkel!
Here's a thought: don't blame other nations for trying to clean up your mistakes. Or did Germany bomb Iraq to rubble all of a sudden, causing the problems in the Middle-East in the first place.
Sorry, I missed the part where I personally had anything to do with any of this, in any way shape or form possible, considering that I've never been a proponent of the Iraq war nor a proponent of intervening in the affairs of Arab Muslim nations. On top of that, I don't even vote, and my payment of taxes is completely involuntary. Perhaps you could explain that part?
Again, trying to see what Iraq has to do with North Africa, which is, you know, thousands of miles away.
|
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:27:05
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Most Glorious Grey Seer
|
AlmightyWalrus wrote: Breotan wrote: Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:Police forces across Europe are overwhelmed and lack the resources to deal with huge influxes of people. There is literally nothing they can do to stop this (see video below) short of deploying hundreds if not thousands of Riot Police en masse along with water cannon and that takes time, planning and resources.
That's what happens when you allow more people in than your country can absorb and assimilate properly.
Which wouldn't be happening if the rest of Europe weren't chickening out of helping.
What does the rest of Europe have to do with your country's decision to allow more people in than it can handle?
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:29:11
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
|
There's this idea of European solidarity, though it is much battered and abused this last decade or so, I'm hoping it with see a resurgence. Oh, and on the Mayor's comments, they are really dumb, but it's one statement taken out of context from the end of a longer response. It's not the only thing she's recommending. Still, there have been stupid statements from other left wing politicians - I'm especially embarrassed by the response of the Green Party, since I'd like to be a *proud* green voter for once in my life...
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/01/06 16:30:47
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:29:39
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
|
Breotan wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Breotan wrote: Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:Police forces across Europe are overwhelmed and lack the resources to deal with huge influxes of people. There is literally nothing they can do to stop this (see video below) short of deploying hundreds if not thousands of Riot Police en masse along with water cannon and that takes time, planning and resources.
That's what happens when you allow more people in than your country can absorb and assimilate properly.
Which wouldn't be happening if the rest of Europe weren't chickening out of helping.
What does the rest of Europe have to do with your country's decision to allow more people in than it can handle?
The same amount of people split over all of Europe wouldn't be nearly as taxing. There just aren't any options, beyond forcing people back into an active warzone.
Plus, who said anything about taking more people than we can handle? We're coping just fine, so far.
Da Boss wrote:There's this idea of European solidarity, though it is much battered and abused this last decade or so, I'm hoping it with see a resurgence.
This. The UK and France in particular, but many EU countries have benefited immensely from being part of the EU. It's not just free handouts though, it's responsibilites too.
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/01/06 16:31:01
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:42:24
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Longtime Dakkanaut
|
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Part of the responsibility of a democracy is to own up to mistakes made in the past, even if one weren't in favour of them. Considering your posting history on Dakka I think it's safe to say that you're not in favour of helping anyone, anywhere, ever.
Counterpoint: I was most in favor of helping the Israelis deal with their Islamic terrorism problem, and the region hasn't really been quite as well behaved since I left.
Usually when we accuse an entire group of people of doing something committed by a subset of that group, it's considered racist, xenophobic, or otherwise bigoted. It's good to see that on Dakka it's OK, as long as the target group is Americans, generally.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:52:25
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
|
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Grey Templar wrote:Unless you have a policeman on permenant protection detail with every single citizen then protecting people as a priority is impossible. The police can only react after the fact, that's all they can be expected to do. Not true. They can be proactive through the use of foot patrols. Having an active street presence lets them be more proactive and react faster. The problem is that Police numbers and budgets have tended to be cut year on year, so they lack the resources to do this. Solution: Halve the military budget (at the very least - the US seriously doesn't need a military budget larger than Norway's GDP) and disperse the saved money into civic improvements such as healthcare, education and police funding. Yes, believe me, ~300 billion dollars extra in those areas can make a difference, even in a country that large. Congratulations, the country has been improved. I can imagine that the first politician to suggest this would be burned at the stake.
|
This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2016/01/06 16:55:13
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:53:17
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
|
NuggzTheNinja wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Part of the responsibility of a democracy is to own up to mistakes made in the past, even if one weren't in favour of them. Considering your posting history on Dakka I think it's safe to say that you're not in favour of helping anyone, anywhere, ever.
Counterpoint: I was most in favor of helping the Israelis deal with their Islamic terrorism problem, and the region hasn't really been quite as well behaved since I left.
Usually when we accuse an entire group of people of doing something committed by a subset of that group, it's considered racist, xenophobic, or otherwise bigoted. It's good to see that on Dakka it's OK, as long as the target group is Americans, generally.
You weren't speaking on behalf of yourself, you said that "plenty of Americans" had seen this coming. You made yourself the voice of "plenty of Americans". You don't get to speak on behalf of people in their capacity as members of a certain nation and then discard that when it comes back to bite you in the ass.
|
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:55:07
Subject: Re:Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
|
@AlmightWalrus.
The same amount of people split over all of Europe wouldn't be nearly as taxing. There just aren't any options, beyond forcing people back into an active warzone.
How about splitting them all over the world? Why is this solely Europe's responsibility? The USA, Canada, Gulf States etc should be contributing too.
Plus, who said anything about taking more people than we can handle? We're coping just fine, so far.
Is Cologne coping just fine? Is Sweden? Didn't the Swedish Deputy Prime Minister break down on TV announcing that they forced to close the borders and stop taking refugees?
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:55:28
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
|
NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Counterpoint: I was most in favor of helping the Israelis deal with their Islamic terrorism problem, and the region hasn't really been quite as well behaved since I left.
Which implies that your help was not very effective in the long run.
|
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:56:45
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
|
Sweden is just as fine as any other country. Our high crime % is mainly due to generous definitions and high percentage of crimes being reported rather than unreported.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:57:06
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
|
Ashiraya wrote: Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Grey Templar wrote:Unless you have a policeman on permenant protection detail with every single citizen then protecting people as a priority is impossible.
The police can only react after the fact, that's all they can be expected to do.
Not true. They can be proactive through the use of foot patrols. Having an active street presence lets them be more proactive and react faster. The problem is that Police numbers and budgets have tended to be cut year on year, so they lack the resources to do this.
Solution: Halve the military budget (at the very least - the US seriously doesn't need a military budget larger than Norway's GDP) and disperse the saved money into civic improvements such as healthcare, education and police funding. Yes, believe me, ~300 billion dollars extra in those areas can make a difference, even in a country that large.
Congratulations, the country has been improved.
I can imagine that the first politician to suggest this would be burned at the stake. 
Or lynched by his own party.
<cough>Jeremy Corbyn<cough>
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:57:26
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Fixture of Dakka
|
Frazzled wrote: NuggzTheNinja wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Smacks wrote: Redcruisair wrote:The crowd was composed of up to 1,000 heavily intoxicated men ... gathered expressly for the purpose of debasing women by sexually assaulting them
So, the same as every other Friday night in a city then...
My thoughts too. Drunk people molesting people is hardly unique for immigrants. The scale here is bigger than "usual", to be sure, but there's plenty of low-life scum who would do similar things if they thought they could get away with it.
NuggzTheNinja wrote:Germany may be shocked, but plenty of Americans saw this coming. Good job on the cultural Seppuku, Merkel!
Here's a thought: don't blame other nations for trying to clean up your mistakes. Or did Germany bomb Iraq to rubble all of a sudden, causing the problems in the Middle-East in the first place.
Sorry, I missed the part where I personally had anything to do with any of this, in any way shape or form possible, considering that I've never been a proponent of the Iraq war nor a proponent of intervening in the affairs of Arab Muslim nations. On top of that, I don't even vote, and my payment of taxes is completely involuntary. Perhaps you could explain that part?
Again, trying to see what Iraq has to do with North Africa, which is, you know, thousands of miles away.
I'm trying to understand why no one seems to have brought up the much lauded Arab Spring and it's part in all of this.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 16:58:43
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
|
 |
Longtime Dakkanaut
|
AlmightyWalrus wrote: NuggzTheNinja wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Part of the responsibility of a democracy is to own up to mistakes made in the past, even if one weren't in favour of them. Considering your posting history on Dakka I think it's safe to say that you're not in favour of helping anyone, anywhere, ever.
Counterpoint: I was most in favor of helping the Israelis deal with their Islamic terrorism problem, and the region hasn't really been quite as well behaved since I left.
Usually when we accuse an entire group of people of doing something committed by a subset of that group, it's considered racist, xenophobic, or otherwise bigoted. It's good to see that on Dakka it's OK, as long as the target group is Americans, generally.
You weren't speaking on behalf of yourself, you said that "plenty of Americans" had seen this coming. You made yourself the voice of "plenty of Americans". You don't get to speak on behalf of people in their capacity as members of a certain nation and then discard that when it comes back to bite you in the ass.
Plenty of Americans did see this coming.
http://time.com/4122938/refugees-syria-america-poll/
What does admitting refugees have to do with the Iraq war? With the civil war in Syria? With any of the factors causing the mess in the first place? You're really floundering here.
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/01/06 16:59:34
|
|
 |
 |
|