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The Talons already have IIRC five unit builds from two infantry kits. So two or three more multi build kits, along with some clampack characters would probably go a long way to filling out the Talons as a viable stand alone army. Especially if they allow them access to some existing models as well(SoS Razerback or Custodes LR Crusader/Redeemer anyone?).


Agreed. right now they have 1 type of troop with two seperate builds, 4 elites (the SoS squad varients and a dreadnought) 1 heavy support option and a rhino option for sisters. a few HQ clam packs and honestly that'd be better off then some of the new armies are. give them a fast attack option and you've a pretty good army. nothing likely to be a top tier no, but eneugh that people'd be happy I think


If they included the 30k units they would have a nice army. But not marines.



Maybe, on the other hand given the 10 thousand years I could see the custodes inventory changing a bit. honestly a overly mechanized army won't make a lot of sense given they've been guarding the palace for the past ten thousand years. so I'm fine with their only vehicles being land raiders. The Grey Knights strike me as not a bad template for the army. Vehicles mostly being transports, with specialized infantry making up the bulk of things


The Emperor's Legion describes them as using the various Dreadnaughts and Terminators still. Plus like 2 different Fliers. I wouldnt be surprised if their old stuff just needs to be dusted off and put out in the field. Much like the Dark Angels they dont strike me as people to just have thrown out their old tech.


true but it also notes them not having eneugh dreadnought Chassis for all their lost warriors. So relative equipment shortages makes sense, but yeah a lotta room to add in some awesome minis. and of course if they are a fully realized army FW can then give us 8th edition rules for all their custodes stuff


True, and their shortages might be made up for in the future. I do hope they get fully realized. Because I'm sitting on my bonus and thinking "Custodes Terminators for a game all but dead in my area? Or Justaerin Terminators I can atleast use to make a Black Legion Terminator army?"



I doubt they'll get terminators. that'd be a pretty redundant unit choice given their standard units are 2+/5++

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I could see Custodes terminators with 4+ invulnerable, 3 wounds, and the only way to have infantry heavy weapons. What's that FW flamer thing like? Could be a great anti horde unit too if you had 3 to 5 guys all throwing out 2D6 auto hits at strength 6.
   
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 cuda1179 wrote:
I could see Custodes terminators with 4+ invulnerable, 3 wounds, and the only way to have infantry heavy weapons. What's that FW flamer thing like? Could be a great anti horde unit too if you had 3 to 5 guys all throwing out 2D6 auto hits at strength 6.


Yeah, sort of like Agressors are now to primaris marines
   
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Also rule of cool. Even if they aren't in an initial offering, the are almost garunteed to eventually appear.

   
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They could also be the way to have a ranged weapon with good AP. Custodes own when they charge, but their shooting is less than lackluster. With their low numbers it's super easy to stay out of their threat range.
   
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cuda1179 wrote:I could see Custodes terminators with 4+ invulnerable, 3 wounds, and the only way to have infantry heavy weapons. What's that FW flamer thing like? Could be a great anti horde unit too if you had 3 to 5 guys all throwing out 2D6 auto hits at strength 6.


In 30k those Flamers are S6 AP6, but have torrent, so they'd be ok in 40k S6 AP - with what 18" Range? That's what torrent weapons do now right? Their Bolters would be godly, S5 AP -1 Rapid Fire 2 with Mortal Wounds on a 6 if they carry over the fact that they'd cause instant death.

cuda1179 wrote:They could also be the way to have a ranged weapon with good AP. Custodes own when they charge, but their shooting is less than lackluster. With their low numbers it's super easy to stay out of their threat range.


See the thing about their Boltguns, though they could also add their Adrathic weapons which would be low strength low range Plasmagun-Melta hybrids (S5 AP -3 or something) more than likely. Their Melee weapons would also be great, their Power Fists and Lightning Claws would probably be the Master Crafted versions.
While I want their Terminators in 40k, they will clearly need some retooling.

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St6, 18 inch range flamers on a unit that can deep strike would be killer in 8th edition. That would wipe medium infantry and lite vehicles. Also like the sounds of those bolters

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EZ build are the pre-orders for next week. It could be Christmas Eve?

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EZ build are the pre-orders for next week. It could be Christmas Eve?


could be, although my money is later and he'll be part of a custodes line launch

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What if they did a sort-of Human faction? They all ready did this with Genestealer cults, they could do it again in a slightly different fashion. I don't want to set the Squat clock back, but I could see something like that happening.


GSC, Squats and Custodes IMHO represent the type of new factions we're most likely to see going forward for the forseeable future in 40k. Long eistablished background factions, with a built in fanbase and demand.

Honestly Squats are proably more likely then some completely new race


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wait, am I seeing this right? have the custodes dramatically upped their "completely unusable weapon" game with a weapon that actually fires the boltgun attachment DIRECTLY into the fingers of the right hand of the person holding it?

that's amazing.
   
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What are you even talking about? Firing into the Right hand? The muzzle of the weapon is nowhere near his hand.
   
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wait, am I seeing this right? have the custodes dramatically upped their "completely unusable weapon" game with a weapon that actually fires the boltgun attachment DIRECTLY into the fingers of the right hand of the person holding it?

that's amazing.


The bolter is at the top of the weapon where the axehead attached. What you're looking at is just the ornate and oversized renaissance matchlock style trigger.

   
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wait, am I seeing this right? have the custodes dramatically upped their "completely unusable weapon" game with a weapon that actually fires the boltgun attachment DIRECTLY into the fingers of the right hand of the person holding it?

that's amazing.

Uh, what? Who on earth holds their axe/halberd by the top of the axe blade? Why would you say such a thing?

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the_scotsman wrote:
wait, am I seeing this right? have the custodes dramatically upped their "completely unusable weapon" game with a weapon that actually fires the boltgun attachment DIRECTLY into the fingers of the right hand of the person holding it?

that's amazing.
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 Ghaz wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
wait, am I seeing this right? have the custodes dramatically upped their "completely unusable weapon" game with a weapon that actually fires the boltgun attachment DIRECTLY into the fingers of the right hand of the person holding it?

that's amazing.


Ah, gotcha, I was confused. OK, so it's just a 12 foot long straight polearm with a gun barrel positioned right next to a probably 100+ pound axe head held by a man wearing armor that makes it physically impossible for him to hold it in any kind of reasonable firing position.

He could probably fire it randomly while swinging it around, that would definitely look intimidating at least!
   
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Yeah, we don't want to let the fact that this is a science fiction setting and explained that Custodes are genetic supermen get in the way of someone's pointless complaints...

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 Ghaz wrote:
Yeah, we don't want to let the fact that this is a science fiction setting and explained that Custodes are genetic supermen get in the way of someone's pointless complaints...


Good science fiction has internal consistency.

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 Kirasu wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Yeah, we don't want to let the fact that this is a science fiction setting and explained that Custodes are genetic supermen get in the way of someone's pointless complaints...


Good science fiction has internal consistency.


Hasn't been Warhammer40k internally consistent at depicting incoherent and non-functional weaponry from his inception? Powerclaws, Dreadnoughts ,etc...

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Now I really want to do an army of Adeptus Custodians.
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 Galas wrote:
 Kirasu wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Yeah, we don't want to let the fact that this is a science fiction setting and explained that Custodes are genetic supermen get in the way of someone's pointless complaints...


Good science fiction has internal consistency.


Hasn't been Warhammer40k internally consistent at depicting incoherent and non-functional weaponry from his inception? Powerclaws, Dreadnoughts ,etc...

The Custodes spear is based on the ancient Fire Lance, a real weapon.

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 Galas wrote:
 Kirasu wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Yeah, we don't want to let the fact that this is a science fiction setting and explained that Custodes are genetic supermen get in the way of someone's pointless complaints...


Good science fiction has internal consistency.


Hasn't been Warhammer40k internally consistent at depicting incoherent and non-functional weaponry from his inception? Powerclaws, Dreadnoughts ,etc...


Those are easier to imagine than a gun that shoots the weapon holder.
   
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 Ghaz wrote:
 Galas wrote:
 Kirasu wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Yeah, we don't want to let the fact that this is a science fiction setting and explained that Custodes are genetic supermen get in the way of someone's pointless complaints...


Good science fiction has internal consistency.


Hasn't been Warhammer40k internally consistent at depicting incoherent and non-functional weaponry from his inception? Powerclaws, Dreadnoughts ,etc...

The Custodes spear is based on the ancient Fire Lance, a real weapon.


Oh, sorry. I wasn't atacking the Custodes weapon. Quite the contrary, I was defending the silly weapons that Warhammer has. Rule of cool trumps nearly everything. And as you say, that weapon isn't "Non fuctional". Both Plate Armour and Weapons aren't as heavy as people think. A supermen like a Custodes, with an Armour that not only, doesn't reduces his physical capabilities but enchance it (Space marines aren't slower with power armour, they are actually faster), shouldn't have any kind of problem fighting with a Halbert. And plate armour allow for a much bigger range of movement that people gives credit for.

But this is not the thread to discuss this in detail, I apologice.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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the_scotsman wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
wait, am I seeing this right? have the custodes dramatically upped their "completely unusable weapon" game with a weapon that actually fires the boltgun attachment DIRECTLY into the fingers of the right hand of the person holding it?

that's amazing.


Ah, gotcha, I was confused. OK, so it's just a 12 foot long straight polearm with a gun barrel positioned right next to a probably 100+ pound axe head held by a man wearing armor that makes it physically impossible for him to hold it in any kind of reasonable firing position.

He could probably fire it randomly while swinging it around, that would definitely look intimidating at least!
how is this different from a regular Custodes Halberd? Both are based on real life weapons.

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Good science fiction has internal consistency.


Good thing 40K has never been science fiction.

It's fantasy in space.

Science fiction by definition needs roots in reality, and is a plausible future outcome within the real world.

Almost nothing about 40K is plausible, a lot of it is magic and daemons. Therefore, its Fantasy.

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 Brutus_Apex wrote:
Good science fiction has internal consistency.


Good thing 40K has never been science fiction.

It's fantasy in space.

Science fiction by definition needs roots in reality, and is a plausible future outcome within the real world.

Almost nothing about 40K is plausible, a lot of it is magic and daemons. Therefore, its Fantasy.



well even worse, fantasy is filled with impratical weapons and armor.

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They are gene reforged post humans who are in powered armor (which raises a question of how much thier natural strength is ever being used at all).

I think the supposed issue of how to realistically hold a gun for a regular human is a pointless topic in regards to aln entity like that.

   
 
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