Primarch returns - View of their Chapters.

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**McMagnus Mindbullets**

Another thread devolved into arguing about how primarchs fell.....

Anyway I think if Magnus came back he'd be like '....
Oh wait.

**Formosa**

w1zard wrote:
Formosa wrote:
That’s why the “magnus Did nothing wrong” crowd is so so wrong, Magnus though his own actions and choices caused his own downfall
I never claimed Magnus did nothing wrong. He did a lot of things wrong. What I am claiming is that the things he did wrong, he did because he genuinely thought he was doing right. Had the emperor not been trying to childishly pretend the chaos gods didn't exist, and actually give Magnus reasons why his warnings should be heeded instead of "do as I say, not as I do" then maybe the fall of the 1k Sons could have been avoided.

Telling Magnus not to delve into warpcraft, and only giving the reason "because I said so" when he asks why is like telling an alcoholic he can't drink and responding "because I said so" whilst chugging a whole bottle of whisky and burping in his face instead of responding with something reasonable.

Magnus genuinely believed that everything he did was helping his legion, and humanity as a whole. None of the mistakes he made, he made out of malice or hatred toward the Imperium or the emperor. Even after he broke the webway, all he wanted to do was help and lessen the inevitable fallout that his actions caused. THAT is why his fall is so tragic. It was only at the end on Prospero that he finally turned. Seeing his world burnt to the ground around him and seeing his legion and his people slaughtered mercilessly by the wolves was finally the straw that broke the camel's back after all the years of being badmouthed by the other legions and told he was a freak by his brothers.

Also... the emperor should have expected the legions to turn at some point. Did he really think that he could treat them like disposable meatbags, play favorites, and intentionally try to kill them off and they would just lay down and take it? Hell, normal humans wouldn't stand for that let alone astartes. Did he really think that he could plot to have the legions disposed of at the end of the crusade and not have a least a slight chance of them finding out beforehand and causing trouble?

Why are you replying to me? What has any of this got to do with my conversion with PM?

But to answer your questions:

The emperor did expect them to turn, that was the plan (REF: first lord of terra)
Yes, he did think he could treat them like disposable meat bags, because that’s what they were designed to eventually be, with 1 or 2 exceptions.
(Ref: master of mankind)
Yes he internally chose favourites to stir up animosity (ref: master of mankind, wolfsbane, first lord of terra, primarchs perturabo, leman russ)
No he did not expect them to lye down and take its, he expected them to massively deplete themselves in a war and then wipe out the survivors with the custodes (ref: first lord of terra)
Conjecture: he expected a lot of “normal” humanity to be wiped out too, so that the cream of the crop would wait it out in the webway and recolonise a safe galaxy that can no longer threaten them, clearly didn’t play out that way because of chaos.
Yes, by that point certain legions would have already been wiped out for “reasons”certain primarchs would be dead for “reasons” then all he needed to do was set them upon each other and wait it out (ref: first lord of terra, master of mankind)

**w1zard**

Formosa wrote:

The emperor did expect them to turn, that was the plan (REF: first lord of terra)
Yes, he did think he could treat them like disposable meat bags, because that’s what they were designed to eventually be, with 1 or 2 exceptions.
(Ref: master of mankind)
Yes he internally chose favourites to stir up animosity (ref: master of mankind, wolfsbane, first lord of terra, primarchs perturabo, leman russ)
No he did not expect them to lye down and take its, he expected them to massively deplete themselves in a war and then wipe out the survivors with the custodes (ref: first lord of terra)
Conjecture: he expected a lot of “normal” humanity to be wiped out too, so that the cream of the crop would wait it out in the webway and recolonise a safe galaxy that can no longer threaten them, clearly didn’t play out that way because of chaos.
Yes, by that point certain legions would have already been wiped out for “reasons”certain primarchs would be dead for “reasons” then all he needed to do was set them upon each other and wait it out (ref: first lord of terra, master of mankind)

I haven't read any lore published after early 2017, been busy with school.

If the emperor really expected all of that, then it certainly paints the traitors in a much more sympathetic light. How can you treat your soldiers like that and NOT have them hate you?