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 Kanluwen wrote:

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
I didn't get any fallschirmjäger vibes from Armageddon, i always thought of more like a german greatcoat with gasmask look.

The helmets were literally the same design as German fallschirmjager during the opening of WWII. The smocks they wore as well were based off them.

Yeah i saw that and edited that in very quickly before you posted

I was so used to seeing fallschirmjägers without smock but with smock i can see its almost a complete copy lol.

very similar indeed

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Ginsu33 wrote:
What I am tired of, is the lack of knee pads, gloves, and a hydration pack on their backpack.

If only someone made 28mm modern tacticals... *sigh*

(1/72 is widely available, though...)

... are Empress Miniatures still going? IIRC they were doing some (metal, mind, but given the topic of the thread...!)

Yeah, it was "disguised" by making the Steel Legion mechanised heavy infantry.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Yeah, it was "disguised" by making the Steel Legion mechanised heavy infantry.

Which isn't even really a "disguise" for anyone familiar with the history of the Fallschirmjagers...as they basically became mechanized infantry(Steel Legion weren't "heavy" infantry) as the war dragged on.

Which makes me even more sad that all those regiments might never come back even in plastic because of historical influences that cant be copyrighted:(

Whats weird is... theres a multi-page article on Armageddon in this months white dwarf. It also features some info on Angron, the Orks, Space Wolves... all stuff thats either rumoured or confirmed to be getting an update soon. If nothing else had changed, no biggie, probably just needed to fill some pages... but coincidentally, they remove the models for Armageddon? In the same month they do a feature on them? Seems a bit... off.

Huh, I thought the Cadians were based on modern (for the time of their release) British soldiers - though I’d also heard jokingly, Canadian.

Recently went to a new game store that had started up with another stores old stock. They had a ton of old kits, including a lot of old metals from the 90’s. Might need to pick up some of their Catechan kits before someone else snags them now.

 Stormonu wrote:
Huh, I thought the Cadians were based on modern (for the time of their release) British soldiers - though I’d also heard jokingly, Canadian.

The Canadian thing is because people can't spell.

Recently went to a new game store that had started up with another stores old stock. They had a ton of old kits, including a lot of old metals from the 90’s. Might need to pick up some of their Catechan kits before someone else snags them now.

A lot of the 'inspiration' mentioned on the previous page is questionable at best. It's outright been stated that the Tallarn are based off the 'Desert Rats'.
The metal Cadians were based off the gear that NATO countries were using at the time.

It used to be that each regiment was missing a special weapon and a heavy weapon option. For special weapons it was flamer, plasma, melta and, grenade launcher. For heavy it was autocannon, heavy bolter, lascannon and, missile launcher. Was there a regiment that didn't have to following combination of grenade launcher and heavy bolter? Does anyone know/remember which regiments lacked which weapons?

IIRC Praetorians lacked the plasma and had all of the heavies. They may have been an exception to the general rule since they were a very limited production run.

Captain Al'rahem is not based on an arab?



The influences probably came not just from sas/deserts rats/british ww2 army but also ww1 british/Lawrence of arabia, arabs tribesmen and much more.

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Captain Al'rahem is not based on an arab?



The influences probably came not just from sas/deserts rats/british ww2 army but also ww1 british/Lawrence of arabia, arabs tribesmen and much more.

Real-talk:
Have you actually ever seen images of the Desert Rats/LRDG? The stuff that Al'rahem is wearing there is not uncommon in photos of British troops.

What do you mean? I have seen british troops with a head dress, but i cant say i saw them walking with such colorful clothing as al rahem, neither with a curved sword and a scabbard with tassets. And the name Al´rahem doesn't seem very british either.

That seems to me to be inspired by arabs, am i wrong?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Spoiler:

That guy is the same age as I .

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
What do you mean? I have seen british troops with a head dress, but i cant say i saw them walking with such colorful clothing as al rahem, neither with a curved sword and a scabbard with tassets. And the name Al´rahem doesn't seem very british either.
That seems to me to be inspired by arabs, am i wrong?

You're not seeing color in most of those photos in all likelihood and unless you're looking for photos of the LRDG out in the field? You won't tend to find this stuff. Part of the reason is that they wore uniforms proper so the Germans and Italians couldn't accuse them of being spies.

Anyways:
That 'sword' is based off a Tunisian dagger, just upsized. Remember that this model is fairly old--sculpting has come a long way. I mean for real, look at the size of that damn Plasma Pistol!
The clothing tends to be fairly colorful when you look at it--but look at the 'overrobe'. Desert colored.

Safe to assume metal Sisterrs are next I think

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
IIRC Praetorians lacked the plasma and had all of the heavies. They may have been an exception to the general rule since they were a very limited production run.

Correct, Praetorians didn't have a plasma trooper, and since the Praetorians were just Mordians with head swaps, the same goes for the Mordians--no plasma.

Alright, could you show me that photo you speak of, would be cool to see it.

The be honest, this captain al rahem is the most stereotypical arab looking mini i ever seen.

Even if it were a british guy with a fake mustache i would still call it inspired by arabs.

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Alright, could you show me that photo you speak of, would be cool to see it.

I'm not hauling out and photographing old books published in the 1950s.

The be honest, this captain al rahem is the most stereotypical arab looking mini i ever seen.

Even if it were a british guy with a fake mustache i would still call it inspired by arabs.

The moustache is a callout to Robin Hood. That is also the 'inspiration' used later on for the Green Arrow.

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Captain Al'rahem is not based on an arab?



The influences probably came not just from sas/deserts rats/british ww2 army but also ww1 british/Lawrence of arabia, arabs tribesmen and much more.

Ok given that they are 'Desert rats' Al'rahem is a second generation emigrant getting back to the family's roots wearing wardrobe provided by the units local interpreters. Or maybe he went local very well.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Yeah, for the record. Always go full local.

This might help end this debate. It appears lots of items were locally acquired.

http://maltacommand.com/unit%20history%20LRDG.html

Individual Equipment & Special Issue Uniforms

Volunteers joining the LRDG came with the uniforms and equipment of their parent unit. As such, New Zealand, South African, and British uniforms intermixed as well as the uniforms of the Royal Tank Regiment, REME, Signal Corp, Yeomanry, and Guards units. Considering all the options, Khaki Drill (KD) and Battle Dress (BD) were never a "standard".
To complicate matters, troopers dressed as they felt appropriate for the mission at hand.
However when joining the LRDG each trooper was issued the following equipment:
·Arab Head-dress: While the traditional Arab head-dress consists of three parts: Thagiyah a tight fitting white skullcap, the flowing white head covering called Gutrah, and a black chorded band called an Igal, the LRDG issued a sand colored Gutrah and the black Igal. It is unclear if the Thagiyah was issued.
·Motorcyclist/Tankers Goggles
·Sunglasses
·Tropal coat, a heavy kapok lined overcoat.
·The Hebron Coat, a shaggy goat skinned coat, locally acquired.
·Chapplies (Desert sandals)
It should be noted that Bagnold obtained the Arab head-dress and hebron coat from the stores of the Trans Jordan Frontier Force.

Ok, but what about the dark beard? Surely the british didn't invent those too?

... it might be a good idea to actually go back to discussing the whole "Metal regiments are gone" topic, dont you think? And possibly why GW chose to feature Armageddon in WD this month, the month they took them from circulation?

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
IIRC Praetorians lacked the plasma and had all of the heavies. They may have been an exception to the general rule since they were a very limited production run.

Correct, Praetorians didn't have a plasma trooper, and since the Praetorians were just Mordians with head swaps, the same goes for the Mordians--no plasma.

No comlink trooper either for the Mordians although Praetorians did end up with the lovely Bugler and Standard Bearer.

I think all the 2nd Ed Regiments had access to all the Heavy Weapons but IIRC, for specials the gaps were:

Cadian - Grenade Launcher
Tallarn - Flamer
Valhallan - Plasma
Catachan - No gap but, for the UK at least, the female Grenade Launcher model was special event only. I did visit USA and Australia around 2000 - 2001 and I can recall seeing that model on GW store pegs.

This thread just got unintentionally hilarious

People coming up with some really twisted logic to “prove” their regiment is based on the one particular thing they’ve decided it’s based on?

Cos, nothing could possibly draw influences from several things


... Robin Hood moustache!!

alphaecho wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
IIRC Praetorians lacked the plasma and had all of the heavies. They may have been an exception to the general rule since they were a very limited production run.

Correct, Praetorians didn't have a plasma trooper, and since the Praetorians were just Mordians with head swaps, the same goes for the Mordians--no plasma.

No comlink trooper either for the Mordians although Praetorians did end up with the lovely Bugler and Standard Bearer.

Don't forget the kneeling pose!

I'd always heard that the Cadians were, yes based on Canadian Shock Troops of WWI and WWII.

Even the planet of forests and glaciers sounds like Canada.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/evolution-of-canadas-shock-troops/



Their original 2nd edition uniforms owed a lot to Aliens Colonial Marines but also had more than a passing resemblance to D-Day uniforms.

Anyone know the Perrys and can ask?

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Ok, but what about the dark beard? Surely the british didn't invent those too?

Incorrect. Guy Fawkes invented the dark beard shortly before going on to invent 4chan.

That lock request is Peregrine-worthy

Tyr13 wrote:... it might be a good idea to actually go back to discussing the whole "Metal regiments are gone" topic, dont you think? And possibly why GW chose to feature Armageddon in WD this month, the month they took them from circulation?

The base Steel Legion squad is still up though, they haven't removed them yet. The Plasma Trooper and the HWT are gone, however. It would be awesome to have a plastic Steel Legion kit come out with Armageddon stuff, but didn't all of the rumors point to Space Wolves vs Orks?

alphaecho wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
IIRC Praetorians lacked the plasma and had all of the heavies. They may have been an exception to the general rule since they were a very limited production run.

Correct, Praetorians didn't have a plasma trooper, and since the Praetorians were just Mordians with head swaps, the same goes for the Mordians--no plasma.

No comlink trooper either for the Mordians although Praetorians did end up with the lovely Bugler and Standard Bearer.

I think all the 2nd Ed Regiments had access to all the Heavy Weapons but IIRC, for specials the gaps were:

Cadian - Grenade Launcher
Tallarn - Flamer
Valhallan - Plasma
Catachan - No gap but, for the UK at least, the female Grenade Launcher model was special event only. I did visit USA and Australia around 2000 - 2001 and I can recall seeing that model on GW store pegs.

If memory serves - Steel Legion only had Plasma and Grenade Launchers for special, and Heavy Bolter, Missile Launcher, and Lascannon for heavy weapons.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Off the top of my head, the metal include;
* Armageddon
* Attilan
* Cadian
* Catachan
* Mordian
* Praetorian
* Tallarn
* Tanith
* Valhallan
* Vostroyan

That ignores the FW resin.

So, ten regiments listed, two of which are already in plastic (Cadian and Catachan, though I doubt anyone would object to a "modern" kit of either), one was only ever a single unit which is no longer in the Codex (Attilan) and one was a novel tie-in with nowhere near a full line-up (Tanith).

That leaves us with six regiments. Two of them can easily be done just by adding two types of head to the kits (Mordian and Praetorian). The fabled Greatcoat Infantry kit might serve for another two (Valhallan and Steel Legion). The remaining two aren't close enough to any of the other regiments to be merged with them, I don't think - but you could always add additional regiments to the range with new heads, or additional bits, or something, to make those units dual regiment sets as well.

As it stands, six boxes would bring four regiments back with full options, and a further six brings back the other two. Bringing back the Rough Riders would be nice, but I doubt it'll happen - wouldn't be surprised to see M2O releases of the Tanith every time a new Ghosts book drops, though.