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For those of you still looking for a copy of Battletech A Game of Armored Combat, it's back in stock on Catalyst's website.

I understand Davor's concern. You probably aren't going to find Battletech in stock very many places, it's true. You'll probably have to order any additional mechs you want from Ironwind metals, Aries, or another online retailer because there's hundreds of the little dudes. With their new release products, it's likely to be hard to get them in a timely fashion if you don't preorder them. And I fully expect the Kickstarter to be significantly delayed based on Catalyst's usual delays- but I also am confident that they will deliver.

As long as we're tossing out games- the inability to get product when it's released totally killed the X-Wing miniatures game, right? And Kingdom Death's lack of store presence has destroyed it.

I say worry about what we know of Catalyst as a company, not expect Palladium level failures.

In the meantime, it seems the next wave of restocks are filtering out into the wild, so grab some more awesome mechs and party on!

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 Stormonu wrote:
I've gotten burned on the Robotech fiasco as well, and didn't the Heavy Gear KS have its share of problems as well?
Now you're just picking Kickstarters that happen to have giant robots in them. That's not a good metric against which to base a decision. It's not like the subject matter of the KS has anything to do with it.

   
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Just like to make sure people understand where I am coming from, I am not telling anyone not to do the Kickstarter. For me, I don't trust it. I never done a Kickstarter but after reading some horror stories, I don't want to take the chance. That is on me. So why do some people think I am being unreasonable? It's my opinion. My money. I am not telling anyone what to do with their money. I don't want to take a chance. I don't take a chance on eBay either.

So for me, I can't get any product if my local stores don't carry anything or their distributors don't offer it. I am happy for people who purchase it. I am happy for people who can play it. No where did I say it was wrong or bad, just that it's not a good choice for me.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Stormonu wrote:
I've gotten burned on the Robotech fiasco as well, and didn't the Heavy Gear KS have its share of problems as well?
Now you're just picking Kickstarters that happen to have giant robots in them. That's not a good metric against which to base a decision. It's not like the subject matter of the KS has anything to do with it.


The Heavy Gear one actually went fairly well. One of the unlocks didn't get released, but they credited everyone back for it, and offered the metal version of the same model at the KS price.
   
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Giga Robo; GKR: Heavy Hitters; Pacific Rim: Extinction. Those are all successful giant robot KSs.
   
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Giga Robo; GKR: Heavy Hitters; Pacific Rim: Extinction. Those are all successful giant robot KSs.


Also CAV from Reaper.

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 Albertorius wrote:
Spoiler:
 ekwatts wrote:
Of course a kickstarter can fail.

If we're talking about possibilities, regardless of any other indicator of likelihood, I'd like to point out right now that I will be getting on a bus, going to my local store and buying the new Battletech products when they come out.

This means I am also at risk of my bus crashing, being mugged/murdered in a random incident at either end of the journey, or the product never being stocked in my local store at all.

Additionally, I might also:

- die
- lose my job and have no money
- inexplicably completely lose interest in miniature gaming after twenty years


Now, I've been incredibly negative about Catalyst Games and their inability to deliver over the years, but now that I've really had a proper think about the above, I realise just how underhand and irresponsible a company they are. Just as with the theoretical kickstarter success/failure we're discussing, I really need to know what Catalyst are going to do about the above issues I've listed.

This is worse than Battletech. WORSE.


..what, exactly, do you think they could do about those? Do you pose the same questions to every other Kickstarter?


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Nurglitch wrote:
Giga Robo; GKR: Heavy Hitters; Pacific Rim: Extinction. Those are all successful giant robot KSs.


Giga-Robo's taken so long that, as a backer, I've lost all interest in it despite having bought the hyper forms of the base mechs. It'll probably go right to ebay when I get it.

   
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I am looking to back - depending on cost and shipping.

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 Albertorius wrote:
 ekwatts wrote:
Of course a kickstarter can fail.

If we're talking about possibilities, regardless of any other indicator of likelihood, I'd like to point out right now that I will be getting on a bus, going to my local store and buying the new Battletech products when they come out.

This means I am also at risk of my bus crashing, being mugged/murdered in a random incident at either end of the journey, or the product never being stocked in my local store at all.

Additionally, I might also:

- die
- lose my job and have no money
- inexplicably completely lose interest in miniature gaming after twenty years


Now, I've been incredibly negative about Catalyst Games and their inability to deliver over the years, but now that I've really had a proper think about the above, I realise just how underhand and irresponsible a company they are. Just as with the theoretical kickstarter success/failure we're discussing, I really need to know what Catalyst are going to do about the above issues I've listed.

This is worse than Battletech. WORSE.


..what, exactly, do you think they could do about those? Do you pose the same questions to every other Kickstarter?


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 Stormonu wrote:
Has Catalyst done a kickstarter before? That's the big question. I know I'm not one to back anyone anymore who hasn't completed at least one to get their initial issues ironed out.

I've gotten burned on the Robotech fiasco as well, and didn't the Heavy Gear KS have its share of problems as well?

And straight up, Catalyst hasn't had the best track record with their latest BT starter sets either - it was forever and a day before the set became available in the first place, and I've seen signs it's hard to track a copy down until recently.



The first Kickstarter that I ever backed was a CGL one; namely, The Duke.

I got all of the stuff that I pledged for and it's a great game.

However, there were a few snags along the way...

- Delay on fulfilment. Can't remember how large of a delay, pretty typical as far as Kickstarters go, so no big deal.

- Issues with supplying optional addons as a result of having to source different materials from different suppliers. The leather mat and laser etched storage box caused them a few issues, but they happened in the end. The big issue was the no show of the super swanky wooden storage box - that went pear-shaped and I think that refunds were issued.

I'm not worried about them doing a BT Kickstarter, because all of the components involved are things that they've done before with the new starter boxes. They've done minis, rulebooks, mapsheets, cards and boxes, so they should know where they're coming from.
   
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 Gitzbitah wrote:
For those of you still looking for a copy of Battletech A Game of Armored Combat, it's back in stock on Catalyst's website.

I understand Davor's concern. You probably aren't going to find Battletech in stock very many places, it's true. You'll probably have to order any additional mechs you want from Ironwind metals, Aries, or another online retailer because there's hundreds of the little dudes. With their new release products, it's likely to be hard to get them in a timely fashion if you don't preorder them. And I fully expect the Kickstarter to be significantly delayed based on Catalyst's usual delays- but I also am confident that they will deliver.

As long as we're tossing out games- the inability to get product when it's released totally killed the X-Wing miniatures game, right? And Kingdom Death's lack of store presence has destroyed it.

I say worry about what we know of Catalyst as a company, not expect Palladium level failures.

In the meantime, it seems the next wave of restocks are filtering out into the wild, so grab some more awesome mechs and party on!


Thanks for the restock update, I just ordered it!
   
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Catalyst also did a Shadowrun Kickstarter. I'm not a big SR fan so I didn't follow it.

I think this one will be okay. They aren't funding the art, they already have it. It's just getting funds for production. I SUSPECT they already have the Clan Box basically ready to go, possibly even with minis. I think a lot of this is to get the stretch goals into production and to build on the release of the main box sets.

Catalyst has already stated their new box sets are always going to be available. They have it set up so they can just tell their manufacturer to just print up a run. They are doing that so they can keep costs in hand, and not produce more than are needed. Excess production kills their bottom line. So while they might be out of stock for the moment (at some points) they are generally always ready to get another production run going. The delay comes from having to ship them from China.

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Azreal13 wrote:The batteries in your Ironometer need changing.

Very possibly

BrianDavion wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 ekwatts wrote:
Of course a kickstarter can fail.

If we're talking about possibilities, regardless of any other indicator of likelihood, I'd like to point out right now that I will be getting on a bus, going to my local store and buying the new Battletech products when they come out.

This means I am also at risk of my bus crashing, being mugged/murdered in a random incident at either end of the journey, or the product never being stocked in my local store at all.

Additionally, I might also:

- die
- lose my job and have no money
- inexplicably completely lose interest in miniature gaming after twenty years


Now, I've been incredibly negative about Catalyst Games and their inability to deliver over the years, but now that I've really had a proper think about the above, I realise just how underhand and irresponsible a company they are. Just as with the theoretical kickstarter success/failure we're discussing, I really need to know what Catalyst are going to do about the above issues I've listed.

This is worse than Battletech. WORSE.


..what, exactly, do you think they could do about those? Do you pose the same questions to every other Kickstarter?


sat·ire
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synonyms: mockery, ridicule, derision, scorn, caricature; More


It's amazing that you can discern that it's satire so clearly with the one single post of someone in the whole thread that you went and found the definition .

I mean, how ironic would it be if it turned out he was serious, right?

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 Gitzbitah wrote:
For those of you still looking for a copy of Battletech A Game of Armored Combat, it's back in stock on Catalyst's website.

I understand Davor's concern. You probably aren't going to find Battletech in stock very many places, it's true. You'll probably have to order any additional mechs you want from Ironwind metals, Aries, or another online retailer because there's hundreds of the little dudes. With their new release products, it's likely to be hard to get them in a timely fashion if you don't preorder them. And I fully expect the Kickstarter to be significantly delayed based on Catalyst's usual delays- but I also am confident that they will deliver.

As long as we're tossing out games- the inability to get product when it's released totally killed the X-Wing miniatures game, right? And Kingdom Death's lack of store presence has destroyed it.

I say worry about what we know of Catalyst as a company, not expect Palladium level failures.

In the meantime, it seems the next wave of restocks are filtering out into the wild, so grab some more awesome mechs and party on!


Thanks for the pointer. I bit the S&H cost of 60$ to Japan and got one box on the way.

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For those of you still looking for a copy of Battletech A Game of Armored Combat, it's back in stock on Catalyst's website.


Given their stores track record I'd rather not gamble on placing that order. I still can't download half of what I've bought from them. They take around 6-9 months to respond at all. Why bother.
   
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Looks like my opinion got some people a boxset of BattleTech.

Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.

Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".  
   
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According to release sheet on asmodee.co.uk, A Game of Armoured Combat is back in stock next week. How long though is anyone's guess...
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
 ekwatts wrote:
Of course a kickstarter can fail.

If we're talking about possibilities, regardless of any other indicator of likelihood, I'd like to point out right now that I will be getting on a bus, going to my local store and buying the new Battletech products when they come out.

This means I am also at risk of my bus crashing, being mugged/murdered in a random incident at either end of the journey, or the product never being stocked in my local store at all.

Additionally, I might also:

- die
- lose my job and have no money
- inexplicably completely lose interest in miniature gaming after twenty years


Now, I've been incredibly negative about Catalyst Games and their inability to deliver over the years, but now that I've really had a proper think about the above, I realise just how underhand and irresponsible a company they are. Just as with the theoretical kickstarter success/failure we're discussing, I really need to know what Catalyst are going to do about the above issues I've listed.

This is worse than Battletech. WORSE.


..what, exactly, do you think they could do about those? Do you pose the same questions to every other Kickstarter?


Having seen a few answer these, yeah it's actually completely doable. In theory you could establish a business continuity plan in the case of your incapacitation. Ie: Say this guy gets the money if he finishes my work for me.

It may be intended as satire, but frankly my company is a few unexpected heart attacks away from being screwed so it's something I've thought about a fair bit.
   
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Justyn wrote:
For those of you still looking for a copy of Battletech A Game of Armored Combat, it's back in stock on Catalyst's website.


Given their stores track record I'd rather not gamble on placing that order. I still can't download half of what I've bought from them. They take around 6-9 months to respond at all. Why bother.


I just ordered my copy off of their website. Hope it's not as bad as your experience. I didn't see your post til after I clicked submit.
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
Azreal13 wrote:The batteries in your Ironometer need changing.

Very possibly

BrianDavion wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 ekwatts wrote:
Of course a kickstarter can fail.

If we're talking about possibilities, regardless of any other indicator of likelihood, I'd like to point out right now that I will be getting on a bus, going to my local store and buying the new Battletech products when they come out.

This means I am also at risk of my bus crashing, being mugged/murdered in a random incident at either end of the journey, or the product never being stocked in my local store at all.

Additionally, I might also:

- die
- lose my job and have no money
- inexplicably completely lose interest in miniature gaming after twenty years


Now, I've been incredibly negative about Catalyst Games and their inability to deliver over the years, but now that I've really had a proper think about the above, I realise just how underhand and irresponsible a company they are. Just as with the theoretical kickstarter success/failure we're discussing, I really need to know what Catalyst are going to do about the above issues I've listed.

This is worse than Battletech. WORSE.


..what, exactly, do you think they could do about those? Do you pose the same questions to every other Kickstarter?


sat·ire
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It's amazing that you can discern that it's satire so clearly with the one single post of someone in the whole thread that you went and found the definition .

I mean, how ironic would it be if it turned out he was serious, right?


I am being serious. I don't understand why others would assume I'm being "satirical" or "ironic" in suggesting that it's entirely reasonable to place unreasonable demands on CGL.

Just thought of another few contingencies: I might get hit by a meteorite or killed by a single punch by Mike Tyson. CGL really need to get their act together. Not once have they suggested a personal meteorite shield might be coming nor a security detail. They could make them stretch goals, at the very least. Davor was probably trying to be a bit more diplomatic about it, but we pretty much all know that the Robotech kickstarter that has nothing at all to do with Battletech might have worked out better had these kinds of contingencies been worked out beforehand.

As it is, CGL seem to be sleepwalking into exactly the same issues as Palladium.

Please excuse me, I have more to say but I can just about make out a heavily built guy wearing boxing gloves outside my door so I need to see what's going on.

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Man, I saw a six page discussion about the new Battletech releases and was cautiously optimistic until I realized it was five pages of "I'm sooo MAAADDD about the Clans!! sniff, sniff"

I feel really bad for Catalyst, what with their most vocal userbase actively turning away potential new players at every opportunity.


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 Mattlov wrote:
It is a pretty Nova. Hopefully they can get the 3D print lines removed before production.


Err, that's not how that works. Plastics aren't made from molds made from low quality 3d prints of a cad design...

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 judgedoug wrote:
Man, I saw a six page discussion about the new Battletech releases and was cautiously optimistic until I realized it was five pages of "I'm sooo MAAADDD about the Clans!! sniff, sniff"


To be fair, it was more like 2 pages of "raaarg! Clans BAAAAAD!", 2 pages of whether BT is a boardgame or a minis game, and 2 pages kvetching about Catalyst not being able to keep products in stock

Personally, I love the clan stuff for the video games, but prefer the IS level 2 stuff for in game balance, it hits all the right notes for me but still lets you play with all the fun 3025 designes plus some extras

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 Kalamadea wrote:
 judgedoug wrote:
Man, I saw a six page discussion about the new Battletech releases and was cautiously optimistic until I realized it was five pages of "I'm sooo MAAADDD about the Clans!! sniff, sniff"


To be fair, it was more like 2 pages of "raaarg! Clans BAAAAAD!", 2 pages of whether BT is a boardgame or a minis game, and 2 pages kvetching about Catalyst not being able to keep products in stock

Personally, I love the clan stuff for the video games, but prefer the IS level 2 stuff for in game balance, it hits all the right notes for me but still lets you play with all the fun 3025 designes plus some extras



welp it's time to move this discussion onward then...


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 judgedoug wrote:
Man, I saw a six page discussion about the new Battletech releases and was cautiously optimistic until I realized it was five pages of "I'm sooo MAAADDD about the Clans!! sniff, sniff"

I feel really bad for Catalyst, what with their most vocal userbase actively turning away potential new players at every opportunity.
Are you kidding? Most of this has been saying that this KS will fail because the Robotech one failed, even though the two are unrelated.

   
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 judgedoug wrote:
Man, I saw a six page discussion about the new Battletech releases and was cautiously optimistic until I realized it was five pages of "I'm sooo MAAADDD about the Clans!! sniff, sniff"

I feel really bad for Catalyst, what with their most vocal userbase actively turning away potential new players at every opportunity.


Baloney. The vocal userbase is expressing an opinion about an aspect of a product. Feeling bad for a company that has poorly managed the IP is a little out of place, too.
   
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That's really surprising. I thought all the 3025 grognards who pop a vein in their forehead at the mention of pulse weaponry were all too busy swooning over the plastic Marauder.

It looks like this will have something for everyone- and I'd expect a Clan only and Inner Sphere only pledge, especially with the way the mechs are already packaged. Given how the Clan invasion was finally stopped- it's even probable there will be a Comguard Level II pack at some point in the campaign with Star League designs.

Now once the kickstarter comments start up, especially with stretch goals, you'll see vatbirth, freebirth, and all the other wonderful epithets that the two factions hold for each other.

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I'm all in! They are producing my favorite 'Mechs in all plastic. , I might even start playing the game again!

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 judgedoug wrote:


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Mattlov wrote:
It is a pretty Nova. Hopefully they can get the 3D print lines removed before production.


Err, that's not how that works. Plastics aren't made from molds made from low quality 3d prints of a cad design...


I know. That's how it should be done. I can also see Catalyst making resin molds from 3d prints for production, because it's the cheapest way to do it.

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