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Yeah. They even go so far as to hang a lantern on it several times.

After the first flash back the new character goes "Wait, he really said that?" And when she puns latter about Mer Man everyone just stares her down "...What? You were all thinking it."


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Not sure why everyone is so butt-hurt, was a perfectly fine series. Nice to be able to take it seriously as opposed to the overly cheesy tone of the 80’s.


It's just not great is all. The She-Ra series was legit great. It played into the mythology, reinvented the characters in ways that made them really good characters to follow. It had the tech and the magic and the magic that was really just tech. It got to the heart of the story while ditching the bad and expanding on the good. A He-Man reboot set in THAT universe built off THAT foundation would have been amazing.

This is just... okay. It's not great. It's not bad either. It's almost worse to be this middling thing. Maybe the next 5 episodes will help it stand out more or get to something better. But right now it's just... fine. It's fine.

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I really liked it. I'm old enough to remember the toys and cartoons from the first go round. MOTU was responsible for one of my best childhood Christmas memories.

I don't recognise the bs that's being circulated online right now as having any basis in fact at all, it's the same bunch of incels that get up in arms about everything.

Moving the focus from He Man was a brave move, but he was a narrative black hole the warped everything around him, giving the other characters room to breath is great, Orko especially gets to not be the irritation that even my 7 year old self found grating.

Looking forward to part 2.


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if only we'd all admitted Jersey Girl was average rather than screaming at Kev to get back in his geek box....

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Well that was a dissapointing pile of cow poop..

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I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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Yeah that was pretty disappointing overall. Seems the 2002 series continues being the better one for me.
   
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 Azreal13 wrote:

Moving the focus from He Man was a brave move, but he was a narrative black hole the warped everything around him, giving the other characters room to breath is great, Orko especially gets to not be the irritation that even my 7 year old self found grating.

Agreed. The fact that I actually gave a damn about Orko in this was a nice surprise.

And yes, it was cool to see Teela get to do something other than stand in the background while He-Man does all the work. Assuming this cartoon carries on (never a given with Netflix) I'd love to see that continue, with other characters getting to actually do some of the heavy lifting and He-Man only showing up when things get really dire instead of Adam waving his sword in the air the moment someone somewhere stubs their toe.

 
   
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Thats such a wierd take..

Its like making a show about superman and then complaining everything revolves around superman...

Its odd that you dont want character to sit in the background but then want He man the main guy to just be in the background..

Im watching the 2002 version now and the fact I found it for free and I dotn have to give netflx a penny is just icing on the cake

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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 Argive wrote:
Its like making a show about superman and then complaining everything revolves around superman...

Its odd that you dont want character to sit in the background but then want He man the main guy to just be in the background..

Im watching the 2002 version now and the fact I found it for free and I dotn have to give netflx a penny is just icing on the cake


Yup, a Superman show in which Superman immediately jumps in and fixes every single problem while everyone else stands around and watches would be just as disappointing as a He-Man show where He-Man does that. I don't watch shows for a single character, because that gets boring really quickly. You can get away with that in a movie, but the most entertaining shows, for me, are those where there are a group of characters working together and where, even when the main focus is on one character, the others all get a chance to shine.

Although given that this show is called 'Masters of the Universe' rather than 'He-Man', a more apt analogy would be a Justice League show where Superman does all the actual work. And that would be awful.


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 Argive wrote:
Thats such a wierd take..

Its like making a show about superman and then complaining everything revolves around superman...

Its odd that you dont want character to sit in the background but then want He man the main guy to just be in the background..

Im watching the 2002 version now and the fact I found it for free and I dotn have to give netflx a penny is just icing on the cake



No, it would be like watching Justice League except nobody else has anything to do because Superman can just do everything. You know... like the end of the Justice League movie where Superman can effortlessly pull apart the mother boxes, defeat Steppenwolf as though he was a regular human with 0 ability to cause Superman even the slightest harm, and save all the citizens by flying entire buildings out of danger faster than the Flash can move a single truck with 3 people in it.

He-Man has never been a show/franchise that focused entirely on He-Man. It was always a show with a team. A large cast of a team at that. That supporting cast needs to have something to do besides be people Adam has a conversation with between resolving every single conflict effortlessly.

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But its He-man... When you were a kid did you say "oooh masters of the universe is on"

Or did you say

"oooh He-man is on"

Where I grew up the show was called "He-man". They didint bother translating it to to anything else...

Theres a difference between HE man not doing everything himself. And being side lined to be an afterthought and only being relevant to die?

Dunno about anyone else but it really felt off and wierd... Not at all what I was expecting in a bad way. Its not like watch gak like he man for a deep story line tbh haha just wanted to watch he man wreck face and veg out...

Anyway. Glory to mecha-neck!!!!

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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 Argive wrote:
But its He-man... When you were a kid did you say "oooh masters of the universe is one"

Or did you say

"oooh He-man is on"

Where I grew up the show was called "He-man". They didint bother translating it to to anything else...

Theres a difference between HE man not doing everything himself. And being side lined to be an afterthought and only being relevant to die?

Dunno about anyone else but it really felt off and wierd... Not at all what I was expecting in a bad way. Its not like watch gak like he man for a deep story line tbh haha just wanted to watch he man wreck face and veg out...

Anyway. Glory to mecha-neck!!!!


Which, I would argue, is a good reason to have rebooted it She-Ra style instead of continuing with the bad original one. You can see He-Man wreck face when face wrecking is needed while not being an invulnerable unstoppable perfect whatever and give the supporting cast plenty to do.

Basing it as a continuation of the original is exactly why it's better to shift focus away from him.


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 Argive wrote:
But its He-man... When you were a kid did you say "oooh masters of the universe is on"

Or did you say

"oooh He-man is on"

Where I grew up the show was called "He-man". They didint bother translating it to to anything else...





It was always, at the least, He Man and the Masters Of the Universe.

Unless you grew up elsewhere than the UK of course.

The fact that people did refer to it as "He Man" merely reinforces my point about him being a narrative black hole.

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IMHO, this is an issue of marketing. Had Kevin Smith and Mattel marketed this as MOTU:Teela or something like that, this wouldn't be an issue.

But instead, the first trailer was very bait and switch, created expectations that the show couldn't meet, and here we are.

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 Argive wrote:
But its He-man... When you were a kid did you say "oooh masters of the universe is one"

Or did you say

"oooh He-man is on"

Sure, as a kid I referred to the show entitled 'He-Man and the Masters of the Universe' as 'He-Man'. This isn't that show. It's a show exploring what happened after that show, and as such it doesn't have to be solely about He-Man, any more than Star Trek: The Next Generation needed to be about Captain Kirk.


Theres a difference between HE man not doing everything himself. And being side lined to be an afterthought and only being relevant to die?

One of the things that makes heroes interesting is the potential for them to occasionally fail. And, yes, to die. Framing a story around what happens when he's gone is much more interesting that it would have been to just carry on with the 'Skeletor hatches evil plan, He-Man shows up and wrestles some people, Cue Moral of the Week!' format of the original.

Given the way the series has gone so far, I'm half expecting it to finish with the Sword being passed on to Teela. And I'm totally fine with that idea, and 10-year-old me (who also quite enjoyed watching the original She-Ra and Jem alongside MotU, Transformers and Robotech) would have been equally fine with it.

 
   
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 Tyran wrote:
IMHO, this is an issue of marketing. Had Kevin Smith and Mattel marketed this as MOTU:Teela or something like that, this wouldn't be an issue.

But instead, the first trailer was very bait and switch, created expectations that the show couldn't meet, and here we are.


I think that's definitely a big part of it, and they also denied it very strongly and they should have basically been upfront about what they wanted the show to be about.

I personally really didn't like it since it went downhill after the first episode, and this basically sums up how I feel about the show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6GUGatFBLo

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 Azreal13 wrote:
 Argive wrote:
But its He-man... When you were a kid did you say "oooh masters of the universe is on"

Or did you say

"oooh He-man is on"

Where I grew up the show was called "He-man". They didint bother translating it to to anything else...





It was always, at the least, He Man and the Masters Of the Universe.

Unless you grew up elsewhere than the UK of course.

The fact that people did refer to it as "He Man" merely reinforces my point about him being a narrative black hole.


I think you are looking far too deeply at the "narrative" of an actions children tv show my dude.. Theres little narrative other then fight skeletor -> get tricked by skeletor -> win/lose -> fight skeletor again / keep doing the right thing.

Thast is virtualy as deep as it goes and should ever go.. This aint no love and peace

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I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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 Grimskul wrote:
... and this basically sums up how I feel about the show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6GUGatFBLo

I'm not sure if he was watching a different show, or was just a bit too far into the bottle to understand what he was watching, to be honest. I got as far as his breathless assertion that the male characters were all made useless before I gave up. I mean, right off the top of my head Man at Arms literally saved everyone at least three times out of the five episodes so far.


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Yes it was a bait and switch, but I'm more worried about people who consider this 'good writing.' I think 'geek culture' clearly isn't for me if this is what is considered good.
   
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I mean, it was entertaining enough that I watched all five episodes back to back.

I liked Teela and the world feels interesting. The Machine Cult was a great idea IMHO.

So... that's good enough for me.
   
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Yes it was a bait and switch, but I'm more worried about people who consider this 'good writing.' I think 'geek culture' clearly isn't for me if this is what is considered good.


I think you’re overreacting.
   
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There is a bit of 'Last Jedi-ing' going on but the animation is decent, there were a few interesting surprises and it was nice to see a focus on other characters besides the main man. I'm going to give it a solid 6/10 for what I've seen so far, and will watch the rest to see where it goes.

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 Tyran wrote:
IMHO, this is an issue of marketing. Had Kevin Smith and Mattel marketed this as MOTU:Teela or something like that, this wouldn't be an issue.

But instead, the first trailer was very bait and switch, created expectations that the show couldn't meet, and here we are.


I think you all need to go back to the beginning of this very thread and the news from the 2019 convention were it was suggested that he man wouldn't be the focus, and it was called Masters of the Universe and not he man for a reason. There was a two year warning on this 'bait and switch'


Also given scifi fantasy storytelling tropes and the multiple decades that have passed, they needed characters that aren't read into the story so they can be POV characters for the audience. Cue the secondary character that was constantly kept in the dark (pointlessly so, in the original) and a new character. It's how (and why) you get Luke Skywalkers, various Starks, new sidekicks for superheroes and so on, Not the most original tack, but at least it's a better trope than amnesia.

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So.... I didn't really like it, but I won't say its bad either. I think more than anything, what bothers me is the way Netflix puts out content and the cliffhanger isn't nearly as exciting as it would be if we know there would be another episode next week. I've just seen too many end of season cliffhangers that can't live up to their promises and it doesn't really help that this one isn't too far removed from how the first episode ends making it feel a little plodding.

Obviously, that's because most of the series is about inventing character dynamics out of whole cloth from a franchise that didn't really have a plot to work from in the first place. It mostly succeeds, but for a lot of it I felt the artificial angst that plagues the whole gritty reboot genre. A lot of it came across to me as mean spirited without adding any lasting substance.

They for the most part, do a great job with Teela, but she's also the part of the series I find most frustrating. Where so much of this is inventing character dynamics, her arc depends on a friendship with Adam that depends almost entirely on the original series. The core of the story is a sense of betrayal that demands a specific read of the original that I don't think many every had and even fewer remember and the show needed to spend some time on before making it the heart of the story.

What the show does do really well is capture, less the spirit of the original show (even when it's trying to) as the spirit of the original toys. Most of the callbacks come from the toyline more than anything and the show seems loaded with the kind of adventures the toys inspired. I think the cliffhanger opens doors to take the series to some awesome places, but in some ways could have just started from there.
   
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grahamdbailey wrote:
There is a bit of 'Last Jedi-ing' going on but the animation is decent, there were a few interesting surprises and it was nice to see a focus on other characters besides the main man.
Focus, but not really development. Could have done with a different structure of the first episode mostly as-was to set the scene followed by a couple of prequel episodes covering the events leading up to establish what the characters motivations and connections are, and then flash forwards again to resolve the crisis at hand now that we know what stakes everyone has in this.

And it would be nice if reboots stopped turning hopeful characters into angry disillusioned hobos. It's depressing.
   
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She-Ra didn't, neither did Voltron.

The reboots that turn hopeful characters into angry disillusioned hobos are those aimed at adults, because apparently that is mature or something.
The reboots that remember that they are above all else shows aimed at children keep the positive protagonists.

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The trouble with this particular franchise is that literally everyone was hopeful all of the time.

If they had a tough time of it, you can bet that by the end of the episode they'd be laughing at the sky, hands on hips, with all their friends, having learned an important lesson about teamwork or some gak.

That's ok for a show exclusively targeted at young kids, but given the stated aim to offer something that appeals to original, now adult, fans, you need some light and shade.

That may not necessarily always apply to every property, but for MOTU it's needed.

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 Azreal13 wrote:
The trouble with this particular franchise is that literally everyone was hopeful all of the time.

If they had a tough time of it, you can bet that by the end of the episode they'd be laughing at the sky, hands on hips, with all their friends, having learned an important lesson about teamwork or some gak.

That's ok for a show exclusively targeted at young kids, but given the stated aim to offer something that appeals to original, now adult, fans, you need some light and shade.

That may not necessarily always apply to every property, but for MOTU it's needed.
Even in the 2012 reboot had some shade but some actual light behind it, it wasn't just angry all the time. Even though the stakes were oftentimes quite dark they could still have hope.

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