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Surely we've seen enough examples to know that GW either don't, or are unable to do properly, intentionally fudge the strength of units to boost their sales?
I'm not sure about this. They can fudge the strength of units easily by just making them cheap for their points.
The problem I think is that GW have relatively little internal testing, and what they do have seems to have a very weird meta. This has resulted in certain units being over/under costed.
Eventually someone seems to go "uh, this is bogus" and you get a new codex more reflective of what the game is actually like - or just an inexplicable power upgrade because someone clearly "loves" the army and they totally should be good - but unfortunately those units with printed rules are left in limbo.
At least with CA and occasionally the FAQsGW is trying to bring things back to a degree of balance - but some units still end up in no-mans land and really a rules change would be better.
Our friend the Squig buggy for instance could do with having twice (three times?) as much shooting on its guns rather get a points reduction to say 60 points - but thats not happened to date.
GW could print new datasheets in PA, but they have not typically done so.
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the_scotsman wrote: nononooooooonononononononononono, you misunderstand. There is an inbuilt, ready made rationalization for WHY the evil GW sales driven model power theory can't possibly be wrong.
Spoiler:
-New model comes out that nobody asks for, is OP (ex: Knight Castellan, Wyvern, Sloptity Whopbopper, Disco Lord)
Explanation: Well of COURSE gw is pushing the rules for the new gak to drive sales, DUUUUUUUUH, you dummy dum dum
-New model that nobody asks for, is UP (ex: Knight Princeps, Admech Sicarians, Repulsor Executioner, Lord of Executions)
Explanation: HAha, looks like stupid dumb GW fethed up again, they tried to make their new unit OP but they're just so DUMB they couldn't even do it right! hahaahahahaah!
-New model that is highly anticipated, is OP (ex: Saint Celestine, Abbadon, Magnus, new sisters stuff)
Explanation: Psh, of COURSE gw is catering to the ravening fanboys giving them such utterly broken rules for their new toy to get them to buy the new model. Preeeeeeedictable.
-New model that is highly anticipated, is UP (New aspect warriors, new Shadowsun, every primaris marine for the first 2 years they existed, every new ork buggy, new CSM)
Explanation: Obviously gw knew that those models would sell regardless so they made their rules purposefully crap so they don't interfere with the sales of their real hot stuff that they have to make OP to push sales!
-Old model that's been out forever, is OP (Imperial Guard squads, Basilisks, Eldar Flyers, Dark Reapers)
Explanation: Oh hoh ho, GW, up to your rascally old tricks again! Trying to clear out all that old inventory I see with your purposefully making them OP to drive sales! Well we see through you and your wily schemes.
-Old model that's been out forever, is UP (oldmarines, necrons, grey knights)
Explanation: Obviously they're purposefully giving these units gak rules in order to 4-d chess mindgame us into HAVING to pick up shiny new kits that they push out. The fiends!
There is literally no combination on a matrix of newness and OPness that the "Grand GW Rules Fixing Conspiracy" does not have a baked-in explanation for. There is NO WAY that anything could accidentally end up with bad rules or good rules because GW doesn't know how to write rules well. EVERYTHING is on purpose, EXPLICITLY targeting you and your model collection personally.
So unbelievably accurate: I love it.
Surely we've seen enough examples to know that GW either don't, or are unable to do properly, intentionally fudge the strength of units to boost their sales?
I'm not saying it isn't occasionally a thing that they do. Certainly, the SM supplements/doctrines/etc were a definite attempt to increase the power levels of space marines, and as their most popular faction they obviously got a lot of extra attention from the GW design team to ensure that they got extremely extensive rules updates.
But do I think someone at GW said "hey, let's make sure these guys are the ONLY army we see in any tournament for months?" No. They clearly were just extremely concerned about the perceived low power level of marines and they wanted to give them a purposeful power boost with the supplements and 2.0 codex, and they overshot.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
the_scotsman wrote: nononooooooonononononononononono, you misunderstand. There is an inbuilt, ready made rationalization for WHY the evil GW sales driven model power theory can't possibly be wrong.
Spoiler:
-New model comes out that nobody asks for, is OP (ex: Knight Castellan, Wyvern, Sloptity Whopbopper, Disco Lord)
Explanation: Well of COURSE gw is pushing the rules for the new gak to drive sales, DUUUUUUUUH, you dummy dum dum
-New model that nobody asks for, is UP (ex: Knight Princeps, Admech Sicarians, Repulsor Executioner, Lord of Executions)
Explanation: HAha, looks like stupid dumb GW fethed up again, they tried to make their new unit OP but they're just so DUMB they couldn't even do it right! hahaahahahaah!
-New model that is highly anticipated, is OP (ex: Saint Celestine, Abbadon, Magnus, new sisters stuff)
Explanation: Psh, of COURSE gw is catering to the ravening fanboys giving them such utterly broken rules for their new toy to get them to buy the new model. Preeeeeeedictable.
-New model that is highly anticipated, is UP (New aspect warriors, new Shadowsun, every primaris marine for the first 2 years they existed, every new ork buggy, new CSM)
Explanation: Obviously gw knew that those models would sell regardless so they made their rules purposefully crap so they don't interfere with the sales of their real hot stuff that they have to make OP to push sales!
-Old model that's been out forever, is OP (Imperial Guard squads, Basilisks, Eldar Flyers, Dark Reapers)
Explanation: Oh hoh ho, GW, up to your rascally old tricks again! Trying to clear out all that old inventory I see with your purposefully making them OP to drive sales! Well we see through you and your wily schemes.
-Old model that's been out forever, is UP (oldmarines, necrons, grey knights)
Explanation: Obviously they're purposefully giving these units gak rules in order to 4-d chess mindgame us into HAVING to pick up shiny new kits that they push out. The fiends!
There is literally no combination on a matrix of newness and OPness that the "Grand GW Rules Fixing Conspiracy" does not have a baked-in explanation for. There is NO WAY that anything could accidentally end up with bad rules or good rules because GW doesn't know how to write rules well. EVERYTHING is on purpose, EXPLICITLY targeting you and your model collection personally.
So unbelievably accurate: I love it.
Surely we've seen enough examples to know that GW either don't, or are unable to do properly, intentionally fudge the strength of units to boost their sales?
I dunno they have been pretty consitent with shadowspear, ALL the SM stuff & characters, Ad mech boats..
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Stormonu wrote: Well, at least no one can accuse GW now of making their models pay to win.
Of course, I prefer the “pay to lose” model. I pay my opponent to lose. It’s usually cheaper - just a couple pizza slices and a coke.
nononooooooonononononononononono, you misunderstand. There is an inbuilt, ready made rationalization for WHY the evil GW sales driven model power theory can't possibly be wrong.
Spoiler:
-New model comes out that nobody asks for, is OP (ex: Knight Castellan, Wyvern, Sloptity Whopbopper, Disco Lord)
Explanation: Well of COURSE gw is pushing the rules for the new gak to drive sales, DUUUUUUUUH, you dummy dum dum
-New model that nobody asks for, is UP (ex: Knight Princeps, Admech Sicarians, Repulsor Executioner, Lord of Executions)
Explanation: HAha, looks like stupid dumb GW fethed up again, they tried to make their new unit OP but they're just so DUMB they couldn't even do it right! hahaahahahaah!
-New model that is highly anticipated, is OP (ex: Saint Celestine, Abbadon, Magnus, new sisters stuff)
Explanation: Psh, of COURSE gw is catering to the ravening fanboys giving them such utterly broken rules for their new toy to get them to buy the new model. Preeeeeeedictable.
-New model that is highly anticipated, is UP (New aspect warriors, new Shadowsun, every primaris marine for the first 2 years they existed, every new ork buggy, new CSM)
Explanation: Obviously gw knew that those models would sell regardless so they made their rules purposefully crap so they don't interfere with the sales of their real hot stuff that they have to make OP to push sales!
-Old model that's been out forever, is OP (Imperial Guard squads, Basilisks, Eldar Flyers, Dark Reapers)
Explanation: Oh hoh ho, GW, up to your rascally old tricks again! Trying to clear out all that old inventory I see with your purposefully making them OP to drive sales! Well we see through you and your wily schemes.
-Old model that's been out forever, is UP (oldmarines, necrons, grey knights)
Explanation: Obviously they're purposefully giving these units gak rules in order to 4-d chess mindgame us into HAVING to pick up shiny new kits that they push out. The fiends!
There is literally no combination on a matrix of newness and OPness that the "Grand GW Rules Fixing Conspiracy" does not have a baked-in explanation for. There is NO WAY that anything could accidentally end up with bad rules or good rules because GW doesn't know how to write rules well. EVERYTHING is on purpose, EXPLICITLY targeting you and your model collection personally.
THATS RIGHT, CRAIG.
WE KNOW ABOUT YOU CRAIG!
Automatically Appended Next Post: (I will never not include a first name because there is a nonzero chance that Stormonu's name is Craig, and one time I did that and absolutely NAILED that someone's IRL name was Steve and it super freaked them out.)
This is pretty funny.
I can agree that sometimes we do have extreme suspition of anything they (GW) do and it might come across a bit like this.
That said, I still believe that they do tamper with rules to sell models. Perhaps not always, perhaps not every change they make, but I do believe they do engage in it.
Massive swings in metas is not something unique to GW, I have seen in happen in MORPGs, and other multiplayer games. It is a way to "keep things interesting" and make the players rotate through factions / characters and what not.
Theres a difference between tweaking things to alter the meta and engaging in the grand rulespiracy that folks like tneva continuously allege. That gets a little alex jonesian at times.
The most common rules conspiracy behavior is just "remember the hits, forget the misses"
Like the poater two aboge me here: pretty much every unit in shadowspear was utterly forgettable upon release. Venomcrawlers and Eliminators were ok, but are we seriously going to forget Oblitergate that fast?
And, ALL the sm characters? Really? Iron father brokenos, and tor garadon are good.
But remember My Chemical Shrikemance, Khan Im Still Not on A Bike, Salamander guy, Prigurius, and Dark Angel Man? None of those are competitive pieces, any more than any other forgettable midstrength footslogging beatstick named characters. Not to mention lieutenant Knifey, librario sneaksalot and captain Yelly Mcstealth.
Automatically Appended Next Post: 95% of the new SM characters are just identical to the previous incarnation but without mobility, weapon options, +1A and +1W for a higher price.
Thats not....good.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
IF ONLY SOMEONE WITH INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF THE RULES WRITING PROCESS COULD VERIFY THAT THESE THEORIES ARE TOTALLY INSANE, HUH?
Wait, they have? And......and they're saying that GWabsolutely write the balance of some units to drive sales?!?!?!!11212onetwoone
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Scotsman's post highlights the cycle of release power, if anything. Repulsor Executioners, awful you say? Funny you say that because I distinctly remember a number of builds centred around them. In fact, the nerf to their rules seemed to be introduced right around the same time GW ran out of stock..... must be coincidence though of course.
I wonder why Mek Gunz are so strong, it's not like they're one of the most expensive pound-for-point mode--- oh wait.
the_scotsman wrote: Theres a difference between tweaking things to alter the meta and engaging in the grand rulespiracy that folks like tneva continuously allege. That gets a little alex jonesian at times.
The most common rules conspiracy behavior is just "remember the hits, forget the misses"
Like the poater two aboge me here: pretty much every unit in shadowspear was utterly forgettable upon release. Venomcrawlers and Eliminators were ok, but are we seriously going to forget Oblitergate that fast?
And, ALL the sm characters? Really? Iron father brokenos, and tor garadon are good.
But remember My Chemical Shrikemance, Khan Im Still Not on A Bike, Salamander guy, Prigurius, and Dark Angel Man? None of those are competitive pieces, any more than any other forgettable midstrength footslogging beatstick named characters. Not to mention lieutenant Knifey, librario sneaksalot and captain Yelly Mcstealth.
Automatically Appended Next Post: 95% of the new SM characters are just identical to the previous incarnation but without mobility, weapon options, +1A and +1W for a higher price.
Thats not....good.
Im sorry that the new models you get are mediocare/servicible rather than bonkers OP...
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AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Dawg i dont play aaaaaaaaany of those armies. Like it is very impressive that you went for the whole "you just dont think their rules are good cus you play them" angle and managed to try it on four whole factions I dont play, because I have models for like 10 factions.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
All of those characters are amazing. Because they are all space marine characters and are essential fancy sculpts for xyz.
Each can be used as a basic chaptermaster, librarian etc. So yeah they may suck being played special character because not enough snowflakey rules and pts too expensive etc.
All of them are still strong because they can fulfil HQ role in the top tier faction used as sucessors etc...
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Argive wrote: One hyperbolic statement begets another no ?
All of those characters are amazing. Because they are all space marine characters and are essential fancy sculpts for xyz.
Each can be used as a basic chaptermaster, librarian etc. So yeah they may suck being played special character because not enough snowflakey rules and pts too expensive etc.
All of them are still strong because they can fulfil HQ role in the top tier faction used as sucessors etc...
And a lot of factions would love to have their own similar models. Go ask a Dark Eldar player about their characters, or lack thereof.
Argive wrote: One hyperbolic statement begets another no ?
All of those characters are amazing. Because they are all space marine characters and are essential fancy sculpts for xyz.
Each can be used as a basic chaptermaster, librarian etc. So yeah they may suck being played special character because not enough snowflakey rules and pts too expensive etc.
All of them are still strong because they can fulfil HQ role in the top tier faction used as sucessors etc...
This is a new layer of the gwspiracy.
All models, no matter the rules, are amazing, and therefore gw always writes op rules for new things to drive sales!
I love it!
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Argive wrote: One hyperbolic statement begets another no ?
All of those characters are amazing. Because they are all space marine characters and are essential fancy sculpts for xyz.
Each can be used as a basic chaptermaster, librarian etc. So yeah they may suck being played special character because not enough snowflakey rules and pts too expensive etc.
All of them are still strong because they can fulfil HQ role in the top tier faction used as sucessors etc...
This is a new layer of the gwspiracy.
All models, no matter the rules, are amazing, and therefore gw always writes op rules for new things to drive sales!
I love it!
Model creep just like codex creep seems to be a trend... Call it what you want.
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
IF ONLY SOMEONE WITH INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF THE RULES WRITING PROCESS COULD VERIFY THAT THESE THEORIES ARE TOTALLY INSANE, HUH?
Wait, they have? And......and they're saying that GWabsolutely write the balance of some units to drive sales?!?!?!!11212onetwoone
Mindblowninspace.gif
Scotsman's post highlights the cycle of release power, if anything. Repulsor Executioners, awful you say? Funny you say that because I distinctly remember a number of builds centred around them. In fact, the nerf to their rules seemed to be introduced right around the same time GW ran out of stock..... must be coincidence though of course.
I wonder why Mek Gunz are so strong, it's not like they're one of the most expensive pound-for-point mode--- oh wait.
You mean that one guy who posted on Reddit about how the 7th Ed wraithknight didn't get a points increase because a GW suit said "eh whatever" to his suggestion that it was too cheap?
H.B.M.C. wrote: If GW are writing rules to push sales, then they're really bad at it.
And "My Chemical Shrikemance". Teehee!
GW is only interested in pushing models, rules are secondary. If the rules line up with making the model better, huzzah! If not, eh, well it looks pretty on the shelf - and even if it doesn’t, you still bought it, sucker.
IF ONLY SOMEONE WITH INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF THE RULES WRITING PROCESS COULD VERIFY THAT THESE THEORIES ARE TOTALLY INSANE, HUH?
Wait, they have? And......and they're saying that GWabsolutely write the balance of some units to drive sales?!?!?!!11212onetwoone
Mindblowninspace.gif
Scotsman's post highlights the cycle of release power, if anything. Repulsor Executioners, awful you say? Funny you say that because I distinctly remember a number of builds centred around them. In fact, the nerf to their rules seemed to be introduced right around the same time GW ran out of stock..... must be coincidence though of course.
I wonder why Mek Gunz are so strong, it's not like they're one of the most expensive pound-for-point mode--- oh wait.
*sigh* And only if they said those days are past and the WK was pretty much the only example and wasn't in the spirit claimed by posters. If only we could read the whole thing in context.
I guess we'll just be stuck arguing both sides of the coin, forever.
IF ONLY SOMEONE WITH INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF THE RULES WRITING PROCESS COULD VERIFY THAT THESE THEORIES ARE TOTALLY INSANE, HUH?
Wait, they have? And......and they're saying that GWabsolutely write the balance of some units to drive sales?!?!?!!11212onetwoone
Mindblowninspace.gif
Scotsman's post highlights the cycle of release power, if anything. Repulsor Executioners, awful you say? Funny you say that because I distinctly remember a number of builds centred around them. In fact, the nerf to their rules seemed to be introduced right around the same time GW ran out of stock..... must be coincidence though of course.
I wonder why Mek Gunz are so strong, it's not like they're one of the most expensive pound-for-point mode--- oh wait.
You mean that one guy who posted on Reddit about how the 7th Ed wraithknight didn't get a points increase because a GW suit said "eh whatever" to his suggestion that it was too cheap?
That guy was an actual rules writer.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
IF ONLY SOMEONE WITH INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF THE RULES WRITING PROCESS COULD VERIFY THAT THESE THEORIES ARE TOTALLY INSANE, HUH?
Wait, they have? And......and they're saying that GWabsolutely write the balance of some units to drive sales?!?!?!!11212onetwoone
Mindblowninspace.gif
Scotsman's post highlights the cycle of release power, if anything. Repulsor Executioners, awful you say? Funny you say that because I distinctly remember a number of builds centred around them. In fact, the nerf to their rules seemed to be introduced right around the same time GW ran out of stock..... must be coincidence though of course.
I wonder why Mek Gunz are so strong, it's not like they're one of the most expensive pound-for-point mode--- oh wait.
You mean that one guy who posted on Reddit about how the 7th Ed wraithknight didn't get a points increase because a GW suit said "eh whatever" to his suggestion that it was too cheap?
IF ONLY SOMEONE WITH INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF THE RULES WRITING PROCESS COULD VERIFY THAT THESE THEORIES ARE TOTALLY INSANE, HUH?
Wait, they have? And......and they're saying that GWabsolutely write the balance of some units to drive sales?!?!?!!11212onetwoone
Mindblowninspace.gif
Scotsman's post highlights the cycle of release power, if anything. Repulsor Executioners, awful you say? Funny you say that because I distinctly remember a number of builds centred around them. In fact, the nerf to their rules seemed to be introduced right around the same time GW ran out of stock..... must be coincidence though of course.
I wonder why Mek Gunz are so strong, it's not like they're one of the most expensive pound-for-point mode--- oh wait.
You mean that one guy who posted on Reddit about how the 7th Ed wraithknight didn't get a points increase because a GW suit said "eh whatever" to his suggestion that it was too cheap?
Kinda?
The ruleswriter posted on reddit about how the 7th Ed Wraithknight didn’t get a points increase because a GW suit said “the model needs to sell and lower points = more sales”.
IF ONLY SOMEONE WITH INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF THE RULES WRITING PROCESS COULD VERIFY THAT THESE THEORIES ARE TOTALLY INSANE, HUH?
Wait, they have? And......and they're saying that GWabsolutely write the balance of some units to drive sales?!?!?!!11212onetwoone
Mindblowninspace.gif
Scotsman's post highlights the cycle of release power, if anything. Repulsor Executioners, awful you say? Funny you say that because I distinctly remember a number of builds centred around them. In fact, the nerf to their rules seemed to be introduced right around the same time GW ran out of stock..... must be coincidence though of course.
I wonder why Mek Gunz are so strong, it's not like they're one of the most expensive pound-for-point mode--- oh wait.
*sigh* And only if they said those days are past and the WK was pretty much the only example and wasn't in the spirit claimed by posters. If only we could read the whole thing in context.
I guess we'll just be stuck arguing both sides of the coin, forever.
We’ve read it in context. You’re not entirely wrong, not entirely right either. He certainly didn’t say the WK was the only example. I take his point about those days being behind us with a hefty grain of salt when we see releases like the Castellan.
I just find it incredibly naive if you believe GW doesn’t see the simple fact that ‘good rules = more sales’. Why are TFC out of stock everywhere I wonder? How about Levi Dreads? The smallest LGS can show you evidence that rules drives sales. To think that GW don’t have this data is insane.
If you agree that GW has that data the next question is why you think they don’t use this to drive profits? Have they led anyone to believe that they are interested in anything other than profit? As someone said to me recently - ‘Games Workshop are a business enterprise operating within a capitalist system, not some club of little 10 year olds playing favourites’. GW are quite literally only interested in profits and the drive for growth of these profits.
To believe GW will think to themselves; ‘y’know what, let’s make this new, expensive model balanced so people can choose to buy it or not’ I find incredible.
I will concede that GW may not be very good at applying rules to units to encourage sales, but the intention is definitely there.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: If GW are writing rules to push sales, then they're really bad at it.
And "My Chemical Shrikemance". Teehee!
As an unashamed washed up old emo boy I love that.
Back on topic I think GW genuinely believe that the quality of the miniatures will first and foremost sell them. If you look at reactions on FB to any new release this does seem to be the case for a lot of people.
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GW wants it to be that way, or GW does not know what they are doing
The first one is the preferred one because investing a 1000$ into a game and after that acknowledge that the company doing that game does not know what they are doing would make people feel that the investment is wasted money.
So they rather say that GW knows exactly what they are doing and everything is fine.
Having model quality as the selling point is another thing.
Someone who claims that the Banshees are a model kit of such high quality that it is worth the price either has never ever bought/built a plastic kit before and just worked with GW Finecast/Metal models
Or is blinded by the GW that if they say that this is a high quality kit and therefore must be that expensive, it must be true (not talking about other companies, but even for GW standards it is not worth the price compared what you get with other boxes)
Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
Gw obviously understands that good rules = good sales. But the very examples you give, which is the incredibly common pattern of an ancient old unit getting amazing rules and then immediately going out of stock and staying that way for months, is kind of what makes it clear there is no anime villain 4d chess going on.
You really think GW wants people buying ancient models they have to make to order out of a disconrinued material instead of the new plastic kits for banshees and incubi?
By your logic, every new plastic kit should be at least good, and every item that GW is making very little money off of (finecast, metal, heck discontinued items chappie dread says hi) should be kept purposefully bad.
For every castellan there is a princeps, which wss on release and is still the worst ik variant despite being the highest profit margin item in the new knights release, being one new sprue added in to an existing kit.
If gw always aims to get new units into the top 25% of models, but theyre incompetent so they miss the mark 75% of the time, how is that distinguishable from a normal game company?
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Eldar- 4436 pts
