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 Polonius wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Polonius wrote:

Also.. are we really tossing around words like "suffering" and "sadism" about painting miniatures? I get that it's not everybody's cup of tea, but it's at worse an unpleasant task.

an unpleasant task that takes a lot of your hobby time... And for people that don't paint much, it takes them even longer (yes, even when painting with contrast)

Oh, it's unpleasant and it takes time! I see we're back to the mythical gamer who literally has exactly enough hobby time to play 40k, but zero hobby time to paint. What a strange schedule that person must have!

... what?
high school, college, jobs, most everyone I've known can manage one night a week (or every two weeks) to indulge a hobby.
Consistently having hours every evening to devote to painting? Not so much. And that's before getting into the mood/mindset to paint. And after the hours devoted to model assembly.

That's a perfectly normal schedule for everyone I've ever gamed with.

 JNAProductions wrote:
Eh-I don’t share the priorities, but if you only enjoy painted games, then you shouldn’t be forced to play an unpainted army.

Their enjoyment is as valid as anyone else’s.

yeah, which is totally fine by me, my issue is when they start slinging insults at people that don't paint (calling them lazy)

 JNAProductions wrote:
Eh-I don’t share the priorities, but if you only enjoy painted games, then you shouldn’t be forced to play an unpainted army.

Their enjoyment is as valid as anyone else’s.

What do you mean, "forced"?

Would you say the same thing about someone who only wants to play people of X ethnicity, body type, gender, etc.?

Nobody is suggesting that commandos rush the store and compel the paint supremacist to play a game or lose their life. We're saying that their approach is hostile and unethical.

Wyldhunt wrote:

Asmodios wrote:

I mean you guys are literally leaving out all of the context of the point he was making. Even in this clearly over-the-top example, I'm pretty sure he would say "cool that you go over the top to make your models smell a certain way and it's 100% your choice if you wanna not play me because I don't do it"

The point I was trying to illustrate is that it's not okay for me to start taking shots at people (accusing them of theft for instance) just because they don't engage in an aspect of the hobby I enjoy. With scented oils being used as an example of a behavior that doesn't impact most folks' lore/model building/gaming experience. Most people don't much care how an army smells, so my hope was that this would serve as a useful tool for explaining the position of those who don't care about paintjobs. Like scent, a lack of paint jobs doesn't detract from the gaming or model building parts of the hobby. It would be weird of me to call you lazy for not not spritzing your army with interesting smells just because I enjoy the hobby more when the armies are smelly.

But say you did care about model scent and it was really important to you… why should you be obligated to play against me? Or let me into your scent only tournament or event? Why should I be able to dictate how you enjoy your hobby?

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Oh, and theres a thing known as social contract which means you shouldnt listen to music without headphones in public

yeah, and the social contract also puts a premium on playing with painted models, so....


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Voss wrote:
... what?
high school, college, jobs, most everyone I've known can manage one night a week (or every two weeks) to indulge a hobby.
Consistently having hours every evening to devote to painting? Not so much. And that's before getting into the mood/mindset to paint. And after the hours devoted to model assembly.

That's a perfectly normal schedule for everyone I've ever gamed with.

I stand corrected. apparently there are lot of people with the time to schedule a game, drive to the store, set up, play, tear down, and drive home, and that utilizes literally all of their leisure time for a week. For the rest of the week they are just booked solid. Couldn't possible find the time to set up some models and prime them, or pick a few weapons out in a contrasting color, or slap some texture paint on a base. Nope, it's sleep, work, one game of 40k, repeat.


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 Altruizine wrote:
What do you mean, "forced"?

Would you say the same thing about someone who only wants to play people of X ethnicity, body type, gender, etc.?

Nobody is suggesting that commandos rush the store and compel the paint supremacist to play a game or lose their life. We're saying that their approach is hostile and unethical.

I see we've moved passed "asking people to paint is sadism" to "only painted against painted armies is basically racism."


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 JNAProductions wrote:
Eh-I don’t share the priorities, but if you only enjoy painted games, then you shouldn’t be forced to play an unpainted army.

Their enjoyment is as valid as anyone else’s.

I get the rhetorical point you're making, and well played.

I still stand by the argument that picking out weapons makes it easier to tell squads apart, but maybe I'm on an island.

 Polonius wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Oh, and theres a thing known as social contract which means you shouldnt listen to music without headphones in public

yeah, and the social contract also puts a premium on playing with painted models, so....


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Voss wrote:
... what?
high school, college, jobs, most everyone I've known can manage one night a week (or every two weeks) to indulge a hobby.
Consistently having hours every evening to devote to painting? Not so much. And that's before getting into the mood/mindset to paint. And after the hours devoted to model assembly.

That's a perfectly normal schedule for everyone I've ever gamed with.

I stand corrected. apparently there are lot of people with the time to schedule a game, drive to the store, set up, play, tear down, and drive home, and that utilizes literally all of their leisure time for a week. For the rest of the week they are just booked solid. Couldn't possible find the time to set up some models and prime them, or pick a few weapons out in a contrasting color, or slap some texture paint on a base. Nope, it's sleep, work, one game of 40k, repeat.

Yeah, nevermind. You aren't even pretending to be reasonable.

Voss wrote:
... what?
high school, college, jobs, most everyone I've known can manage one night a week (or every two weeks) to indulge a hobby.
Consistently having hours every evening to devote to painting? Not so much. And that's before getting into the mood/mindset to paint. And after the hours devoted to model assembly.

That's a perfectly normal schedule for everyone I've ever gamed with.

One issue for me personally is that I don't have any space to leave my painting stuff or half-painted models lying around. Setting up stuff to get ready to paint is ~10 minutes of work, as is packing everything away.
If I find random 30 minutes to spend on painting, 20 of those will not be spent on getting paint on models, and it requires some time for me to stop my hands from shaking if I want to do detail work.

Building models though? Pop box open, get plies and glue and start cracking. If you get interrupted, you can just drop everything in the box, put it on a shelf and continue later.

The only way I get stuff painted at all is by literally blocking 3 hours a week which are dedicated to nothing but painting. And even then I often only manage to get that time every other week.

Despite spending much more time on painting (which I hate) than on gaming (which is what I enjoy most in this hobby), I'm not even close to having my entire collection painted.

VladimirHerzog wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
Eh-I don’t share the priorities, but if you only enjoy painted games, then you shouldn’t be forced to play an unpainted army.

Their enjoyment is as valid as anyone else’s.

yeah, which is totally fine by me, my issue is when they start slinging insults at people that don't paint (calling them lazy)

Vlad gets it. The problem here isn't that some people prefer games with fully painted armies; the problems are:
A.) Some of those people are insulting those who don't share their preference.
B.) People shouldn't be insulted for refusing to spend their free time in an unenjoyable fashion. We live in a world with limited free time. You don't get to tell me how to spend mine. Valuing my own free time is healthy. Insulting someone because they don't spend their free time the way you want is toxic. So no. Gray models don't make a person lazy, and anyone who says otherwise should probably take a moment to ask themselves why they feel that way.

Asmodios wrote:But say you did care about model scent and it was really important to you… why should you be obligated to play against me?
...
Why should I be able to dictate how you enjoy your hobby?

We aren't obligated to play each other, but I AM obligated to refrain from insulting you over your lack of scented models.

Or let me into your scent only tournament or event?

If the tournament/event posts something saying that fully painted (or scented or whatever) armies are expected and thus part of the social contract, then you should show up with a painted army. That's what is agreed to as part of the event. But if the tournament/event DOESN'T set that expectation, then insulting someone for showing up with gray plastic just makes me a dick. But as far as I saw, we weren't talking about tournaments/events with painting expectations specifically. That seems to have been a shift of goal posts introduced later on.

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 Polonius wrote:
I stand corrected. apparently there are lot of people with the time to schedule a game, drive to the store, set up, play, tear down, and drive home, and that utilizes literally all of their leisure time for a week. For the rest of the week they are just booked solid. Couldn't possible find the time to set up some models and prime them, or pick a few weapons out in a contrasting color, or slap some texture paint on a base. Nope, it's sleep, work, one game of 40k, repeat.

Yeah, nevermind. You aren't even pretending to be reasonable.

If restating your own argument makes me seem unreasonable, than what does that say about your argument?

If I've learned anything in life, it's that the phrase "I didn't have the time" is hardly, if ever true. Usually, you have the time, but you prioritize other things. And that's fine!

the reason you're cranky about this is because you know that of course people have a bit more leisure time than one block that they use for gaming. Now, it might not be conducive to painting, or they'd rather spend it on something else. But then own the choice. And then, you know, live with mild disapproval.

 Polonius wrote:

If I've learned anything in life, it's that the phrase "I didn't have the time" is hardly, if ever true. Usually, you have the time, but you prioritize other things. And that's fine!

the reason you're cranky about this is because you know that of course people have a bit more leisure time than one block that they use for gaming. Now, it might not be conducive to painting, or they'd rather spend it on something else. But then own the choice. And then, you know, live with mild disapproval.

The thing is, you've been insulting people for making that choice. Which is where I take issue.

 Jidmah wrote:

One issue for me personally is that I don't have any space to leave my painting stuff or half-painted models lying around. Setting up stuff to get ready to paint is ~10 minutes of work, as is packing everything away.
If I find random 30 minutes to spend on painting, 20 of those will not be spent on getting paint on models, and it requires some time for me to stop my hands from shaking if I want to do detail work.

Building models though? Pop box open, get plies and glue and start cracking. If you get interrupted, you can just drop everything in the box, put it on a shelf and continue later.

The only way I get stuff painted at all is by literally blocking 3 hours a week which are dedicated to nothing but painting. And even then I often only manage to get that time every other week.

Despite spending much more time on painting (which I hate) than on gaming (which is what I enjoy most in this hobby), I'm not even close to having my entire collection painted.

Oh man, I paint quickly and I'm not where close to finishing my collection. That's an unattainable goal.

Good job plugging away! Progress can be slow, you know? But it's still progress.


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 Polonius wrote:

If I've learned anything in life, it's that the phrase "I didn't have the time" is hardly, if ever true. Usually, you have the time, but you prioritize other things. And that's fine!

the reason you're cranky about this is because you know that of course people have a bit more leisure time than one block that they use for gaming. Now, it might not be conducive to painting, or they'd rather spend it on something else. But then own the choice. And then, you know, live with mild disapproval.

The thing is, you've been insulting people for making that choice. Which is where I take issue.

I've been judging them. Not sure how insulting that is. And that's in the hypothetical. I'm not gonna be a jerk in public.

I guess... yeah, I think better of people that make more of an effort, you know? Call me crazy.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
Eh-I don’t share the priorities, but if you only enjoy painted games, then you shouldn’t be forced to play an unpainted army.

Their enjoyment is as valid as anyone else’s.

yeah, which is totally fine by me, my issue is when they start slinging insults at people that don't paint (calling them lazy)

Wyldhunt wrote:

The thing is, you've been insulting people for making that choice. Which is where I take issue.

To be fair that goes both ways.

For example, i find the use of the term 'supremacists' used above with regard to people who prefer painted as particularly vile. It's a particularly vulgar misappropriation of a term most typically associated with the word 'white' and used in the context of nazis.

Abs to be fair that's also hardly the only insult or slur ('gatekeeping', 'snobs', mischaracterising doing something youd rather not do as 'sadism' -and so on) that's been levelled at polonius and other 'pro-painters' . Imo far worse than 'lazy'. Lazy can be apt.

 Polonius wrote:

Wyldhunt wrote:

 Polonius wrote:

If I've learned anything in life, it's that the phrase "I didn't have the time" is hardly, if ever true. Usually, you have the time, but you prioritize other things. And that's fine!

the reason you're cranky about this is because you know that of course people have a bit more leisure time than one block that they use for gaming. Now, it might not be conducive to painting, or they'd rather spend it on something else. But then own the choice. And then, you know, live with mild disapproval.

The thing is, you've been insulting people for making that choice. Which is where I take issue.

I've been judging them. Not sure how insulting that is.

Well, you've been calling them lazy. Which, if "insulting" isn't technically accurate, I think "being rude," is still a fair description.

And that's in the hypothetical. I'm not gonna be a jerk in public.

Tbf, this might be an internet vs real-life moment. I don't much mind you being silently judgemental in your head. I just don't want you ruining little Timmy's day over it, you know?

I guess... yeah, I think better of people that make more of an effort, you know? Call me crazy.

But you do see the difference between appreciating someone putting in the extra effort vs being a dick to someone for not putting in the extra effort, right?

Wyldhunt wrote:
Well, you've been calling them lazy. Which, if "insulting" isn't technically accurate, I think "being rude," is still a fair description.

Sure. And to your point, I shouldn't call the person lazy, but the action. A person might be very hard working, and not want to paint minis. I think it's a little bit lazy, because as I've stated, I think any level of painting makes the game easier and more enjoyable for your opponent, but it is unfair to assess a person's overall character on their hobby.

Tbf, this might be an internet vs real-life moment. I don't much mind you being silently judgemental in your head. I just don't want you ruining little Timmy's day over it, you know?

Right, that's obviously out of bounds.. but also pretty clearly not what I've been talking about? I've framed my points about adults, not kids. And beginners gotta get in reps.

But you do see the difference between appreciating someone putting in the extra effort vs being a dick to someone for not putting in the extra effort, right?

the way I appreciate somebody in the hobby is by making an effort to seek them out for games. Which is exactly what I've described. I don't think putting somebody at the bottom of my list to get a game is the biggest dick move.

 Dysartes wrote:
Can't help but think that this poll would've benefited from...
a, splitting "you" and "your opponent" into distinct scores
b, some form of guidance as to what a 5 represents.

Yeah I didn't answer the post itself because it was too vague.

 Polonius wrote:

Wyldhunt wrote:
Well, you've been calling them lazy. Which, if "insulting" isn't technically accurate, I think "being rude," is still a fair description.

Sure. And to your point, I shouldn't call the person lazy, but the action. A person might be very hard working, and not want to paint minis. I think it's a little bit lazy, because as I've stated, I think any level of painting makes the game easier and more enjoyable for your opponent, but it is unfair to assess a person's overall character on their hobby.

Tbf, this might be an internet vs real-life moment. I don't much mind you being silently judgemental in your head. I just don't want you ruining little Timmy's day over it, you know?

Right, that's obviously out of bounds.. but also pretty clearly not what I've been talking about? I've framed my points about adults, not kids. And beginners gotta get in reps.

But you do see the difference between appreciating someone putting in the extra effort vs being a dick to someone for not putting in the extra effort, right?

the way I appreciate somebody in the hobby is by making an effort to seek them out for games. Which is exactly what I've described. I don't think putting somebody at the bottom of my list to get a game is the biggest dick move.

They way you keep framing it makes it sounds like your contemptuous of anyone who doesn’t feel the need to paint their army, despite the fact it isn’t a required portion of the hobby.

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
They way you keep framing it makes it sounds like your contemptuous of anyone who doesn’t feel the need to paint their army, despite the fact it isn’t a required portion of the hobby.

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You think me thinking it's a bit lazy to not paint is contemptuous?

Earlier in the thread, I made a few comments about how I can't make you feel bad about not painting, only you can do that? This is what I mean. I have a reason that painting is useful (several, in fact), and when people don't I kind of think they're a bit lazy about their hobby and don't seek out as many games against them. Based on this, you feel like I'm "contemptuous." I really don't think there's anything in my posts that should make you feel like I have contempt for anybody in this hobby. Which means, unfortunately, that you're not mad because I'm saying mean things, I'm saying catty things that make you feel bad because you kind of agree with them.

I can't help you feel better about not painting. that's not in my power. I don't like making people bad, which is why I don't give them a hard time about not painting, but guess what... most people that don't paint have the time and money to do so, they just don't. And I get it! There are plenty of things I don't do that I feel like I should, and when people comment on it, I get mad and defensive. But it's not about them, it's about me.

My advice is, either just make the effort to start getting some painting done, or try to make your peace with being unpainted. It's not worth it to be upset because soembody on the internet is mildly disapproving.

Wyldhunt wrote:

 Polonius wrote:

Wyldhunt wrote:

 Polonius wrote:

If I've learned anything in life, it's that the phrase "I didn't have the time" is hardly, if ever true. Usually, you have the time, but you prioritize other things. And that's fine!

the reason you're cranky about this is because you know that of course people have a bit more leisure time than one block that they use for gaming. Now, it might not be conducive to painting, or they'd rather spend it on something else. But then own the choice. And then, you know, live with mild disapproval.

The thing is, you've been insulting people for making that choice. Which is where I take issue.

I've been judging them. Not sure how insulting that is.

Well, you've been calling them lazy. Which, if "insulting" isn't technically accurate, I think "being rude," is still a fair description.

And that's in the hypothetical. I'm not gonna be a jerk in public.

Tbf, this might be an internet vs real-life moment. I don't much mind you being silently judgemental in your head. I just don't want you ruining little Timmy's day over it, you know?

I guess... yeah, I think better of people that make more of an effort, you know? Call me crazy.

But you do see the difference between appreciating someone putting in the extra effort vs being a dick to someone for not putting in the extra effort, right?

Unless I've missed some posts (i admit i haven't read everyone in the thread). Is anyone advocating pulling a Nelson and laughing in the face of people with unpainted models for no reason? almost every post I've read has been something like "i personally don't play against unpainted armies". Also just like it wouldn't bother me in someone made fun of me for a nonscented model, why would it even bother someone who doesn't care about unpainted models if someone laughed about it? Even though this made-up Nelson doesn't exist I just don't see the issue even with the hypothetical of them "haha your models and unpainted/unscented"..." cool i don't care about paint/scent"

Also 100% any tournament or event should post exactly what you need to show up with. I've never seen an event that didn't let you know that your models have to be painted before.

You know that sometimes people can only get away from real life for 3 or 4 hours a week. There's things like work, and taking care of your family (taking Timmy to his after school activities), taking care of things around the house, sleeping. You know things that let you survive in the real world. You may have a lot of free time but some people don't. They just want to get away from it all for a couple of hours and play.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
You know that sometimes people can only get away from real life for 3 or 4 hours a week. There's things like work, and taking care of your family (taking Timmy to his after school activities), taking care of things around the house, sleeping. You know things that let you survive in the real world. You may have a lot of free time but some people don't. They just want to get away from it all for a couple of hours and play.

I'm pushing back on the notion that a person would regularly have one evening free to play 40k, but LITERALLY zero other free time. I've repeatedly said that even priming nad picking out weapons is a positive step.

I'm sorry, but if you have the time to build an army, and play regularly, there is almost certainly some time in your life to do some painting. Maybe not every week, but at least to make some progress. (after all, if you're so time strapped, you aren't building new units constantly, right?)

But that's not the guy I'm talking about. Honestly, the guy scheduled to his gills with work and school and kids? He's almost always doing a bit of painting anyway. It's the people with far less responsibilities that often have eternally grey armies.

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 Polonius wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Polonius wrote:

Also.. are we really tossing around words like "suffering" and "sadism" about painting miniatures? I get that it's not everybody's cup of tea, but it's at worse an unpleasant task.

an unpleasant task that takes a lot of your hobby time... And for people that don't paint much, it takes them even longer (yes, even when painting with contrast)

Oh, it's unpleasant and it takes time! I see we're back to the mythical gamer who literally has exactly enough hobby time to play 40k, but zero hobby time to paint. What a strange schedule that person must have!

... what?
high school, college, jobs, most everyone I've known can manage one night a week (or every two weeks) to indulge a hobby.
Consistently having hours every evening to devote to painting? Not so much. And that's before getting into the mood/mindset to paint. And after the hours devoted to model assembly.

That's a perfectly normal schedule for everyone I've ever gamed with.

I have painted 5 complete 3,000 point WFB armies over the last 2-3 years painting solely on my breaks and lunches at work. Yes it takes a little bit of discipline and drive, but I'm willing to bet the people who "can't find time to paint" make time for other things like video games, TV, and other activities.

 Just Tony wrote:


I have painted 5 complete 3,000 point WFB armies over the last 2-3 years painting solely on my breaks and lunches at work. Yes it takes a little bit of discipline and drive, but I'm willing to bet the people who "can't find time to paint" make time for other things like video games, TV, and other activities.

yeah, because they enjoy these things more than painting

How about instead of "TV, video games, and other activities" we say "Being a dad, raising a kid, being a supportive partner in a relationship, and making time for self improvement".

See it's not hard to rationalize when the well isn't poisoned.

I enjoy being a good father more than having a kick butt Shadow Keepers 2k list.

Deadnight wrote:
For example, i find the use of the term 'supremacists' used above with regard to people who prefer painted as particularly vile. It's a particularly vulgar misappropriation of a term most typically associated with the word 'white' and used in the context of nazis.

That's why I chose the word "absolutist". It's certainly more fitting for their behaviour here.

 Polonius wrote:

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
They way you keep framing it makes it sounds like your contemptuous of anyone who doesn’t feel the need to paint their army, despite the fact it isn’t a required portion of the hobby.

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You think me thinking it's a bit lazy to not paint is contemptuous?

Earlier in the thread, I made a few comments about how I can't make you feel bad about not painting, only you can do that? This is what I mean. I have a reason that painting is useful (several, in fact), and when people don't I kind of think they're a bit lazy about their hobby and don't seek out as many games against them. Based on this, you feel like I'm "contemptuous." I really don't think there's anything in my posts that should make you feel like I have contempt for anybody in this hobby. Which means, unfortunately, that you're not mad because I'm saying mean things, I'm saying catty things that make you feel bad because you kind of agree with them.

I can't help you feel better about not painting. that's not in my power. I don't like making people bad, which is why I don't give them a hard time about not painting, but guess what... most people that don't paint have the time and money to do so, they just don't. And I get it! There are plenty of things I don't do that I feel like I should, and when people comment on it, I get mad and defensive. But it's not about them, it's about me.

My advice is, either just make the effort to start getting some painting done, or try to make your peace with being unpainted. It's not worth it to be upset because soembody on the internet is mildly disapproving.

This is called gaslighting and I think this is why people are taking issue with what you are trying to say.

I will try to make this simple for you.

I LIKE playing the game.

I don't mind building the models.

I loathe painting.

So, I could trade a game time to paint models. But that is trading something I enjoy for something I don't. I work a job where we are at a point that they are mandating 52 hour weeks, while trying to raise my daughter, spend time with my wife and do everything else that life requires. After working a 13 hour day I guess you could say I have time to paint, but I don't have the energy and would rather spend that time doing something I enjoy which relaxes me. I can sneak in one game a week usually on one of my days off and while I could spend that time painting, why would I? I don't enjoy it. It brings me no enjoyment and no peace. If it makes my opponent happier than yeah, I will give it some mind and do my best but I am not about to prioritize the desires of an opponent who makes those kind of demands.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
How about instead of "TV, video games, and other activities" we say "Being a dad, raising a kid, being a supportive partner in a relationship, and making time for self improvement".

See it's not hard to rationalize when the well isn't poisoned.

I enjoy being a good father more than having a kick butt Shadow Keepers 2k list.

"Choose to spend the time elsewhere" is significantly different than "don't have time". I question the misnomer.

I also will point out that as a 3rd shifter I sacrifice sleep to fit my wife and kids into my life. I'm stuck at work on my breaks anyway, might as well paint there.

I hate painting, there's dozens of other activities I'd rather be doing.

The past few years, I've been working hard to try and get all my stuff painted, but it's slow, tedious and the results aren't worth bragging over.

I would not hesitate to play someone with a gray horde, though I'd have more fun if they were painted.

 wuestenfux wrote:
My armied fielded on the battlefield are always fully painted - no exceptions.
I remember at Hamburg GW I, unpainted models were removed from play by GW employees.

Lol if they touch people's minis without permission that wouldn't go down well here.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Slipspace wrote:
You might want to read that first reply again. There's nothing problematic about it. It simply states a requirement for an opponent to have fully painted models. The problems actually started about 5 or 6 replies later, admittedly instigated by the person who posted that first reply.

And if you couldn't tell that was going to happen from that first reply then you really weren't paying attention.

Or you just haven't been here long, where we've had this discussion before, and it always - always always always - ends up with some painting absolutist fighting everyone because of their intractable stubborn position on how everything must be painted and anyone else who says otherwise is having fun the wrong way.

And... here we are!

I bet they're even against commission painting.

Hecaton wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
My armied fielded on the battlefield are always fully painted - no exceptions.
I remember at Hamburg GW I, unpainted models were removed from play by GW employees.

Lol if they touch people's minis without permission that wouldn't go down well here.

Yeah, that's a good way to lose a couple fingers...

 Polonius wrote:


If I've learned anything in life, it's that the phrase "I didn't have the time" is hardly, if ever true. Usually, you have the time, but you prioritize other things. And that's fine!

Exactly this, but you make it look like it isn't fine.

Most people just don't work, sleep, eat, play one game of 40k then repeat. There's a lot of other stuff that comes in life, including spending quality free time with friends, pets and family, not to mention other hobbies. "I didn't have the time" is definitely true because other things, which those people might considered more important, took priority. It's not false because they prioritized other things.


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Hecaton wrote:


Lol if they touch people's minis without permission that wouldn't go down well here.

Here as well .


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 Just Tony wrote:
...but I'm willing to bet the people who "can't find time to paint" make time for other things like video games, TV, and other activities.

And who said that those activities shouldn't have priority? I love painting models but if someone struggles to spare free time and has to choose between painting or reading a book, going for a walk, cooking good stuff, playing sports or going to the gym, even watching a really valubale movie/tv show, etc... I'd suggest any of those activities over painting miniatures. In fact I'd actually suggest to prioritize ALL this stuff before finding time to paint any models or playing miniature games.