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2022/07/31 16:38:15
Subject: What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Would you all be okay with 1 badly thick coat of primer, a badly painted weapon, and a brown painted base? I mean, what are we expecting for "painted"? Can I bring my first ever painted minis or do they have to be all painted with 5+ years experience and 3 different layers plus highlighting and sand/rock bases?
That is not an answer. I asked you for YOUR belief. If you are inherently claiming lockstep with everything on the website, I think you'd find playing the game severely difficult.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I might also add, less than 10% of the Community are "expert" or even "Capable" level painters. And there is a very real feeling of shyness and embaressment of putting your "poorly" painted models up against someone who's perfectly painted models make yours look even worse.
And before "Git GUD" comes out, this crippling fear of looking stupid is what keeps me from even buying brushes and starting to paint my more expensive models. So I try to learn on DnD models. But it's a very real fear among the majority of lesser skilled hobbyists.
Nobody who possesses a shred of basic human empathy is going to look at your models and tell you they are crap or that you should "git gud", especially when you are just starting out.
Nobody expects golden demon level paint jobs from you, as a matter of fact it doesn't matter at all what other people expect from your painting. You paint the models for yourself first and foremost and you have to like them.
Many aspects of the hobby may unfortunately have some toxic elements, from online discussions to competitive gaming and many other things, but I am very confident in saying that the painting aspect of the hobby is by far the least toxic of them all. Even online the responses are actually mostly supportive and encouraging if people post pics of their minis.
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2022/07/31 16:47:51
Subject: What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
Vatsetis wrote: If you dont try you will never learn how to paint your miniatures.
Even if the first buch look terrible you can re sell them or re paint them latter.
Surely there are people in your gamming community who will very kindly help you to increase your crafting skill.
Painting shouldnt be that different from learning to dance, akward at the beggining but fun once to launch yourselve into the frey!!
Here’s the thing-I don’t enjoy painting. I never have, and probably never will.
It’s nice to have an end product, but I don’t enjoy the process of painting. It’s different for others-but for me, it’s just not fun.
I'd wager you're simply using a process that doesn't work for you. Seriously- stop aiming for perfect. Yes, there are a lot of people that push the envelope in this hobby and a lot are saturated around GW stuff, so it can look bad when you want to emulate them. Simply put- don't. Don't go for good, go for (in the wise words of North of the Border), go for good enough.
NGL, the current "in vogue" ways of painting GW minis look awful to me and how a lot of people think that is the only way to paint with edge highlighting everywhere. Find your style and lean into it. I have a bit of a John Blanche-esq style of painting with a lot of washes and dirty painting, but I love it and modify my preferences around that. I hate painting both white and yellow. The latter of which had a few cheats back in the day, like using copious inks over a white or bone undercoat, but doing a nice dirty yellow or white with my style and I love it. Put it this way, I hate painting white that much I've painted my clones for SW Legion all as Clone Force 99, canon be damned.
Luke from Geek Gaming Scenics just released this video the other day.
A technique like that gets good (enough) army level results quickly and easily.
Games Workshop Delenda Est.
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If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them.
2022/07/31 17:23:28
Subject: What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
I've used proxies on a taped out space on the floor in my younger days. I'd still play that same kind of game if I had the time to do so. So bring me your half assembled, your damaged, your counts as, your 3d printed and I'll play you.
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2022/07/31 17:42:44
Subject: What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
Vatsetis wrote: If you dont try you will never learn how to paint your miniatures.
Even if the first buch look terrible you can re sell them or re paint them latter.
Surely there are people in your gamming community who will very kindly help you to increase your crafting skill.
Painting shouldnt be that different from learning to dance, akward at the beggining but fun once to launch yourselve into the frey!!
Here’s the thing-I don’t enjoy painting. I never have, and probably never will.
It’s nice to have an end product, but I don’t enjoy the process of painting. It’s different for others-but for me, it’s just not fun.
Well pay for some one to paint your minis, or find a group that dont mind to play unpainted minis, or find another hobby.
If the only thing you like about a disco is the overpriced alcohol but you are disturbed by social contact and music... Perhaps you should find a group of people to drinking quietly at your couch instead of going to the disco and sitting akwardly on a corner with your cocktail while you watch other people dancing (while you repeat to yourselve "dancing/painting is unfun and difficult") in a weird manner.
2022/07/31 18:25:31
Subject: What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
Well pay for some one to paint your minis, or find a group that dont mind to play unpainted minis, or find another hobby.
If the only thing you like about a disco is the overpriced alcohol but you are disturbed by social contact and music... Perhaps you should find a group of people to drinking quietly at your couch instead of going to the disco and sitting akwardly on a corner with your cocktail while you watch other people dancing (while you repeat to yourselve "dancing/painting is unfun and difficult") in a weird manner.
again with the dumb answer of "if you don't enjoy painting, you should play a different game"
fething hell, people. The hobby has multiple facets, not everyone part of it needs to enjoy every single one of them
2022/07/31 18:39:24
Subject: What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
Well pay for some one to paint your minis, or find a group that dont mind to play unpainted minis, or find another hobby.
If the only thing you like about a disco is the overpriced alcohol but you are disturbed by social contact and music... Perhaps you should find a group of people to drinking quietly at your couch instead of going to the disco and sitting akwardly on a corner with your cocktail while you watch other people dancing (while you repeat to yourselve "dancing/painting is unfun and difficult") in a weird manner.
again with the dumb answer of "if you don't enjoy painting, you should play a different game"
fething hell, people. The hobby has multiple facets, not everyone part of it needs to enjoy every single one of them
Yeah, the amount of judgement and hate going out over this is surprising even given the already abysmal standards of the internet.
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: That is not an answer. I asked you for YOUR belief. If you are inherently claiming lockstep with everything on the website, I think you'd find playing the game severely difficult.
It's absolutely an answer. I agree with GW's minimum standard and consider it appropriate. A fully painted model needs a clean base coat on all of its parts, some kind of shading, and something on the base. This is not a difficult standard, a basic base/wash/drybrush is something that virtually everyone is capable of doing. And it works just fine if you use some common sense about applying it. It's very obvious when you have a legitimate painted model and when you have something stupid like the old "three dots on the shoulder pad to comply with the three color minimum" technique.
And there is a very real feeling of shyness and embaressment of putting your "poorly" painted models up against someone who's perfectly painted models make yours look even worse.
Why? I don't think I've ever heard someone complaining about their opponent's painting quality as long as they made a good-faith effort to paint them to a basic tabletop standard. Painting at all, even at a newbie level, is going to get you way less judgement and embarrassment than having unpainted models.
One of their light walkers carried a weapon of lethal effect. It fired a form of ultra-high velocity projectile. I saw one of our tanks after having been hit by it. There was a small hole punched in either flank - one the projectile's entry point, the other its exit. The tiny munition had passed through the vehicle with such speed that everything within the hull not welded down had been sucked out through the exit hole. Including the crew. We never identified their bodies, for all that remained of them was a red stain upon the ground, extending some twenty metres from the wreck.
Bow before the Greater Good, gue'la.
2042/03/03 17:06:43
Subject: What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
Why should it be judged. Till 9th ed, there was no rules entice to paint your armies. It was never required to paint your army. So why should people that don't want to paint, should be made to paint. People that don't want to play the game, don't have to prove that they are true hobbiest and in order to buy more paints, prove that they have played and won a specific number of games.
And GW wants the models to be painted because more money and time spend on the army makes people not just give GW more money, but also makes them sink more time in to the game, which again makes it harder to leave. a person that bought two patrol boxs for DAs and played games with it for an edition is going to be more willing to drop the game, then someone who spend tens of hours painted all those models.
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Vatsetis wrote: Your answer is made in a very bad faith, I gave you three alternatives... Why focus only in one?
Painting is actually a central part of the hobby for many, many gamers... Perhaps a majority globally.
Negation of this simple fact will only create frustration on the deniers.
But it isn't. Pre 9th ed it only matted to people that played tournaments and for people who liked painting models. Now you have to paint your models, there is no option. You may hate painting with all your being, but you still have to do it. Vice versa someone who hates playing the game, has no such limits put on them. They can paint all the models, without playing a single game ever.
And people can focus on one thing, because they may just like one thing. Just as people shouldn't be forced to play the game, they shouldn't be forced to paint their armies.
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If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
2022/07/31 19:50:03
Subject: What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Would you all be okay with 1 badly thick coat of primer, a badly painted weapon, and a brown painted base? I mean, what are we expecting for "painted"? Can I bring my first ever painted minis or do they have to be all painted with 5+ years experience and 3 different layers plus highlighting and sand/rock bases?
That is not an answer. I asked you for YOUR belief. If you are inherently claiming lockstep with everything on the website, I think you'd find playing the game severely difficult.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I might also add, less than 10% of the Community are "expert" or even "Capable" level painters. And there is a very real feeling of shyness and embaressment of putting your "poorly" painted models up against someone who's perfectly painted models make yours look even worse.
And before "Git GUD" comes out, this crippling fear of looking stupid is what keeps me from even buying brushes and starting to paint my more expensive models. So I try to learn on DnD models. But it's a very real fear among the majority of lesser skilled hobbyists.
Hobby anxiety is real and can absolutely be a barrier to folks getting painted armies. It can range from "not wanting to ruin" a cool model to the fear of having one's efforts be made fun of. The Glacial Geek has some good videos on the subject with some tips on how to overcome it.
I had an unfinished/unpainted Land Raider sitting in my hobby closet for about ten years until I realized that the only thing worse than an imperfectly painted Land Raider on the tabletop was a Land Raider sitting unfinished in a box. Perfect is the enemy of good enough. I have unpainted 15mm DBA Persian and Scythian armies that are unpainted because I don't have a paint plan and I don't want to "ruin them." So they have sat there, unpainted and unplayed, for something like 25 years. At least the Pandemic got me through my ACW 15mm pile of shame. Maybe if I still played DBA I would get them done. My 40K and AOS piles of shame are quite small - gaming provides me a powerful incentive to get them done.
We should try to be cool with fellow gamers. While I have certainly played at stores and tourneys with painting requirements, I have never seen a gamer refuse a pickup game with another because the other had an unpainted army. I'd rather play a new opponent and maybe make a new gaming friend than enforce a painting standard for my opponent.
All you have to do is fire three rounds a minute, and stand
2022/07/31 21:33:19
Subject: What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
Racerguy180 wrote: Or you could not give a feth about VP in the first place and bam...problem solved.
But then you might not win, and in Poland if you don't win you're a failure and your family disowns you for bringing shame upon them. That's why in Poland you should always bring a bucket of paint stripper to every game and drop some of your opponent's models in it to ensure they can't get the 10 VP.
One of their light walkers carried a weapon of lethal effect. It fired a form of ultra-high velocity projectile. I saw one of our tanks after having been hit by it. There was a small hole punched in either flank - one the projectile's entry point, the other its exit. The tiny munition had passed through the vehicle with such speed that everything within the hull not welded down had been sucked out through the exit hole. Including the crew. We never identified their bodies, for all that remained of them was a red stain upon the ground, extending some twenty metres from the wreck.
Bow before the Greater Good, gue'la.
2022/07/31 21:50:45
Subject: Re:What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
Racerguy180 wrote: Or you could not give a feth about VP in the first place and bam...problem solved.
But then you might not win, and in Poland if you don't win you're a failure and your family disowns you for bringing shame upon them. That's why in Poland you should always bring a bucket of paint stripper to every game and drop some of your opponent's models in it to ensure they can't get the 10 VP.
Well its not actual Poland only in the "imaginary postapocaliptyc Poland" were Karol pretends to life.
Wouldnt it be great to create a post summary of the hobbesian over the top views of this fellow poster and how he describes his community?
2022/07/31 23:12:51
Subject: What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
Well pay for some one to paint your minis, or find a group that dont mind to play unpainted minis, or find another hobby.
If the only thing you like about a disco is the overpriced alcohol but you are disturbed by social contact and music... Perhaps you should find a group of people to drinking quietly at your couch instead of going to the disco and sitting akwardly on a corner with your cocktail while you watch other people dancing (while you repeat to yourselve "dancing/painting is unfun and difficult") in a weird manner.
again with the dumb answer of "if you don't enjoy painting, you should play a different game"
fething hell, people. The hobby has multiple facets, not everyone part of it needs to enjoy every single one of them
Yeah, the amount of judgement and hate going out over this is surprising even given the already abysmal standards of the internet.
You’ve obviously never been in a DakkaDakka post about the necessity of painting before. It always gets this bad. I’m honestly surprised it wasn’t locked yet.
2022/07/31 23:13:01
Subject: What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
DeathKorp_Rider wrote: You’ve obviously never been in a DakkaDakka post about the necessity of painting before. It always gets this bad. I’m honestly surprised it wasn’t locked yet.
Jidmah predicted 33 pages before lock, so we've got a lot of pages of self-righteous painting absolutist nonsense to go.
Vatsetis wrote: Wouldnt it be great to create a post summary of the hobbesian over the top views of this fellow poster and how he describes his community?
DeathKorp_Rider wrote: You’ve obviously never been in a DakkaDakka post about the necessity of painting before. It always gets this bad. I’m honestly surprised it wasn’t locked yet.
Jidmah predicted 33 pages before lock, so we've got a lot of pages of self-righteous painting absolutist nonsense to go.
To go with all the self-righteous anti-painting absolutist nonsense? Sure.
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One of their light walkers carried a weapon of lethal effect. It fired a form of ultra-high velocity projectile. I saw one of our tanks after having been hit by it. There was a small hole punched in either flank - one the projectile's entry point, the other its exit. The tiny munition had passed through the vehicle with such speed that everything within the hull not welded down had been sucked out through the exit hole. Including the crew. We never identified their bodies, for all that remained of them was a red stain upon the ground, extending some twenty metres from the wreck.
Bow before the Greater Good, gue'la.
2022/07/31 23:29:28
Subject: What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
Shas'O Ky'husa wrote: To go with all the self-righteous anti-painting absolutist nonsense? Sure.
Wow you are so bad at making arguments.
So I guess now, having established the double standard when it comes to absolutism, you'll have the double standard where the validity of an argument is defined by whether or not you agree with it. Cool.
One of their light walkers carried a weapon of lethal effect. It fired a form of ultra-high velocity projectile. I saw one of our tanks after having been hit by it. There was a small hole punched in either flank - one the projectile's entry point, the other its exit. The tiny munition had passed through the vehicle with such speed that everything within the hull not welded down had been sucked out through the exit hole. Including the crew. We never identified their bodies, for all that remained of them was a red stain upon the ground, extending some twenty metres from the wreck.
Bow before the Greater Good, gue'la.
2022/07/31 23:34:32
Subject: What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
Shas'O Ky'husa wrote: To go with all the self-righteous anti-painting absolutist nonsense? Sure.
Wow you are so bad at making arguments.
So I guess now, having established the double standard when it comes to absolutism, you'll have the double standard where the validity of an argument is defined by whether or not you agree with it. Cool.
Nah he's right. You really suck at arguing.
2022/07/31 23:35:43
Subject: What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
So you're also going to bury your head in the sand and ignore the hyperbolic statements made by the anti-painting side? Or does making up claims like "if you don't paint you're worthless" not count as absolutism?
One of their light walkers carried a weapon of lethal effect. It fired a form of ultra-high velocity projectile. I saw one of our tanks after having been hit by it. There was a small hole punched in either flank - one the projectile's entry point, the other its exit. The tiny munition had passed through the vehicle with such speed that everything within the hull not welded down had been sucked out through the exit hole. Including the crew. We never identified their bodies, for all that remained of them was a red stain upon the ground, extending some twenty metres from the wreck.
Bow before the Greater Good, gue'la.
2022/07/31 23:37:28
Subject: What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
So you're also going to bury your head in the sand and ignore the hyperbolic statements made by the anti-painting side? Or does making up claims like "if you don't paint you're worthless" not count as absolutism?
There is no anti-painting side. There are people who want to paint and people who don’t want to paint, and a rainbow of options in between.
2022/07/31 23:49:46
Subject: What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
I know, right? Who honestly thinks that there's an "anti-painting side"?
Anyway, I'm done with Ky'husa. I think everyone else should follow suit. Dude can't string together a coherent argument to save himself, which makes any argument an exercise in smacking your head against a wall.
But it's easy to walk away, as walls can't follow you.
They're also lacking in the reading comprehension, most people here that have said they dislike painting also said they can enjoy painted minis. Its the "pro painting" crew thats stated they'd refuse to play agaisnt unpainted stuff
2022/08/01 00:33:24
Subject: Re:What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
VladimirHerzog wrote: They're also lacking in the reading comprehension, most people here that have said they dislike painting also said they can enjoy painted minis. Its the "pro painting" crew thats stated they'd refuse to play agaisnt unpainted stuff
Not that many people have stated that they would play against unpainted staff (and in RL even that rough 20% that answered 10 to the poll has probably make many exception).
There is certainly a camp that fails to consider painting as a significant part of their hobby (to the point that they would not invest any sizeable amount of time or money in having painted minis.
Amongst them there is a minority that even feel (or at least express loudly) that they are victims of the pro painted camp.
VladimirHerzog wrote: They're also lacking in the reading comprehension, most people here that have said they dislike painting also said they can enjoy painted minis. Its the "pro painting" crew thats stated they'd refuse to play agaisnt unpainted stuff
Not that many people have stated that they would play against unpainted staff (and in RL even that rough 20% that answered 10 to the poll has probably make many exceptions during their gamming careers).
There is certainly a camp that fails to consider painting as a significant part of their hobby (to the point that they would not invest any sizeable amount of time or money in having painted minis.
Amongst them there is a minority that even feel (or at least express loudly) that they are victims of the pro painted camp.
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2022/08/01 00:49:13
Subject: What Level Of Painting Do You Require For Your Games?
